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Sun Sep 13, 2020, 11:29 AM

New England Journal of Medicine: Face masks may be helping to provide immunity

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/face-masks-could-giving-people-covid-19-immunity-researchers

Face masks may be inadvertently giving people Covid-19 immunity and making them get less sick from the virus, academics have suggested in one of the most respected medical journals in the world.

The commentary, published in the New England Journal of Medicine, advances the unproven but promising theory that universal face mask wearing might be helping to reduce the severity of the virus and ensuring that a greater proportion of new infections are asymptomatic.

If this hypothesis is borne out, the academics argue, then universal mask-wearing could become a form of variolation (inoculation) that would generate immunity and “thereby slow the spread of the virus in the United States and elsewhere” as the world awaits a vaccine.

It comes as increasing evidence suggests that the amount of virus someone is exposed to at the start of infection - the “infectious dose” - may determine the severity of their illness. Indeed, a large study published in the Lancet last month found that “viral load at diagnosis” was an “independent predictor of mortality” in hospital patients.

Wearing masks could therefore reduce the infectious dose that the wearer is exposed to and, subsequently, the impact of the disease, as masks filter out some virus-containing droplets.

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Reply New England Journal of Medicine: Face masks may be helping to provide immunity (Original post)
alterfurz Sep 13 OP
FarPoint Sep 13 #1
rzemanfl Sep 13 #2
LisaL Sep 13 #5
FarPoint Sep 13 #13
gulliver Sep 13 #8
FarPoint Sep 13 #15
FarPoint Sep 13 #18
ProfessorGAC Sep 13 #20
gulliver Sep 13 #21
Bettie Sep 13 #17
LanternWaste Sep 13 #22
Mme. Defarge Sep 13 #3
empedocles Sep 13 #6
Hugin Sep 13 #7
CaliforniaPeggy Sep 13 #4
gristy Sep 13 #9
Hugin Sep 13 #11
FarPoint Sep 13 #16
Igel Sep 13 #10
jpak Sep 13 #12
FarPoint Sep 13 #19
Buckeyeblue Sep 13 #14
w0nderer Sep 13 #23
Yavin4 Sep 13 #24
phylny Sep 13 #25
scipan Sep 13 #26

Response to alterfurz (Original post)

Sun Sep 13, 2020, 11:39 AM

1. This is not the time for such irrational concepts.

Focus on the standard COVID-19 precautions and protocols....

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #1)

Sun Sep 13, 2020, 11:45 AM

2. How does this not? n/t

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #1)

Sun Sep 13, 2020, 11:46 AM

5. Masks are the standard precautions.

We don't have a vaccine or a cure.
So what you got is a mask.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #5)

Sun Sep 13, 2020, 12:31 PM

13. Yes... Yes mask is protocol...

I just don't want people say.. reusing a mask without changing, washing etc for example...plus if it help fine but such discussion and beliefs can take one off the Protocols and risk clinical consequences....Just keep it simple essentially.

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #1)

Sun Sep 13, 2020, 12:01 PM

8. It's far from irrational.

Let's say you have a fifteen-minute conversation with a COVID patient without a mask. You inhale, say, fifteen million viral particles spread evenly throughout your lungs and sinuses. How long would it have taken to reach fifteen million particles if you had only inhaled, say, a few thousand, because you wore a mask and they did too? That time is extra time for your immune system to respond.

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Response to gulliver (Reply #8)

Sun Sep 13, 2020, 12:42 PM

15. I understand the concept...sure...

Maybe public discussion at this time is a risk as we already have tRumpsters non compliance to deal with and too much variable speculation could become more confusing....

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Response to gulliver (Reply #8)

Sun Sep 13, 2020, 01:03 PM

18. Another time ...I say.

It's entertaining discuss but compliance with COVID-19 precautions remains my simple focus...that's all I'm saying. .

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #18)

Sun Sep 13, 2020, 01:21 PM

20. But, This Is The Opposite

News like this isn't going to dissuade people already cooperating.
It's giving them another reason TO wear a mask, not to quit wearing one.
Because now, there's more evidence that the mask protects the wearer, not just others.
That adds to the reasons to cooperate.

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #18)

Sun Sep 13, 2020, 01:22 PM

21. Can't go wrong complying with precautions.

This new information, if borne out, simply makes it clearer and clearer that those precautions were correct.

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #1)

Sun Sep 13, 2020, 12:44 PM

17. Masks are among the standard precautions and protocols

this simply points out a possible additional benefit of masks.

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #1)

Sun Sep 13, 2020, 01:41 PM

22. I would hazard the irrational concept...

is the immediate rejection and denial of a peer reviewed hypothesis.

"Focus on the standard COVID-19 precautions and protocols...."
The allowance of one does not imply the denial of another. That is also irrational.

Seems you're creating a pattern here.

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Response to alterfurz (Original post)

Sun Sep 13, 2020, 11:45 AM

3. Glad to see this view getting some traction.

The L.A. Times had a story on it a few months ago but it didn’t get much attention overall. It makes a considerable difference for me if I have a sound reason to believe that my health and safety is not completely dependent on the behavior of others.

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Response to Mme. Defarge (Reply #3)

Sun Sep 13, 2020, 11:50 AM

6. My wife taught school for decades, and never caught colds, the flu, etc.

She attributed her good health to being exposed to all sorts of viruses and germs present in the classroom

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Response to Mme. Defarge (Reply #3)

Sun Sep 13, 2020, 11:55 AM

7. +1

Well said.

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Response to alterfurz (Original post)

Sun Sep 13, 2020, 11:46 AM

4. Face masks are an important part of the way we approach covid19.

This simple act needs to be emphasized for the greater benefit of all.

Of course, we need to keep searching for possible ways to stop or even slow the spread. But there is no reason at all to disregard this important tool.

We can chew gum and walk at the same time.

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #4)

Sun Sep 13, 2020, 12:06 PM

9. face masks stop or even slow the spread

We should keep searching for OTHER possible ways to stop or even slow the spread. But I'd be shocked if, except for a vaccine, anything is found to beat a facemask.

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Response to gristy (Reply #9)

Sun Sep 13, 2020, 12:11 PM

11. The only triad we have right now is distancing, staying home, and masks over the pie hole.

A combination of those practices seems to be effective.

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #4)

Sun Sep 13, 2020, 12:43 PM

16. Exactly....

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Response to alterfurz (Original post)

Sun Sep 13, 2020, 12:10 PM

10. Read this a few days ago.

Not convinced, but open to the possibility.

I honestly think that a fair number of posters didn't even bother to read past the subject line.

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Response to alterfurz (Original post)

Sun Sep 13, 2020, 12:24 PM

12. Commentary - not peer reviewed science

Unrec

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Response to jpak (Reply #12)

Sun Sep 13, 2020, 01:05 PM

19. Very, very good point.

So, let's continue our reiteration of essential compliance of COVID-19 precautions and Protective Protocols.

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Response to alterfurz (Original post)

Sun Sep 13, 2020, 12:37 PM

14. Proven or unproven, it's a good argument to wear your damn mask

It makes sense to me that a larger the infectious dose, the higher than chance that you would have a severe infection. I'm going from memory here, but wasn't the same (or a similar) conclusion made with HIV? Maybe the difference was the viral load of the person passing on the virus. But I still see it as a similar conclusion.

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Response to alterfurz (Original post)

Sun Sep 13, 2020, 02:16 PM

23. to keep track of it n/t

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Response to alterfurz (Original post)

Sun Sep 13, 2020, 02:24 PM

24. We can get rid of this virus without a vaccine

Wearing masks, social distancing, testing, and contact tracing all combined would drive down the infection rate to almost 0. See NY as an example. The virus cannot live unless it's in a host. Take away that host, and the virus dies.

If we had been taking basic social measures from the start, again see NY as an example, we would have this thing under control and life would be returning to normal.

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Response to Yavin4 (Reply #24)

Sun Sep 13, 2020, 02:52 PM

25. Fantastic point!

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Response to Yavin4 (Reply #24)

Sun Sep 13, 2020, 05:12 PM

26. Too much traveling between countries.

If you had a real good test, isolate program for all those coming in from other countries, maybe? But I don't see even just the US getting rid of it. We have so many idiots here.

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