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Fri Sep 11, 2020, 08:48 AM

Let's put things into prespective

Americans killed in Bowling Green Massacre: 0
Americans killed in Trump's Caravan Attack: 0
Americans killed By Soup Cans: 0
Americans killed by Ebola: 2
Americans killed in Benghazi: 4
Americans killed in the Spanish American: 2,246
Americans killed in War of 1812: 2,260
Americans killed in 9/11/2001 Terrorist Attacks : 2996
Americans killed in American Revolution: 4,435
Americans killed in the Mexican War: 13,283
Americans killed in Korean War: 33,746
Americans killed in Vietnam War: 58,152
Confederate Soldiers Killed on the battle field during the Civil War: 94,000
Union Soldiers Killed on the battle field during the Civil War: 110,100
Americans killed in Europe WWI: 116,516
Americans killed by Japan WWII: 160,914
Americans killed by Trump in COVID pandemic: 196,345 <--- Today you are here
Americans killed by Axis in Europe WWII: 214,362

https://ehistory.osu.edu/exhibitions/cwsurgeon/cwsurgeon/statistics

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Reply Let's put things into prespective (Original post)
Snake Plissken Sep 11 OP
Solomon Sep 11 #1
Snake Plissken Sep 11 #2
catbyte Sep 11 #3
Glorfindel Sep 11 #4
kentuck Sep 11 #5
PaulRevere08 Sep 11 #6
CaptYossarian Sep 11 #8
kentuck Sep 11 #13
CaptYossarian Sep 11 #15
thesquanderer Sep 11 #17
CaptYossarian Sep 11 #25
Kitchari Sep 11 #7
AllaN01Bear Sep 11 #9
CaptYossarian Sep 11 #10
caraher Sep 11 #12
CaptYossarian Sep 11 #14
caraher Sep 11 #21
CaptYossarian Sep 11 #26
caraher Sep 11 #11
malaise Sep 11 #16
niyad Sep 11 #18
iluvtennis Sep 11 #19
AllTooEasy Sep 11 #20
calimary Sep 11 #22
malthaussen Sep 11 #23
Tommymac Sep 11 #28
treestar Sep 13 #32
LiberalLovinLug Sep 11 #24
wyocyoteee Sep 13 #30
gopiscrap Sep 21 #34
Fiendish Thingy Sep 11 #27
Crash2Parties Sep 12 #29
treestar Sep 13 #31
totodeinhere Sep 13 #33

Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 08:49 AM

1. You mean perspective don't you?

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Response to Solomon (Reply #1)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 08:52 AM

2. Yes

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 08:54 AM

3. Thank you. May I use this?

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 09:10 AM

4. Chilling and sobering. Thank you, Snake

for compiling and sharing these statistics with us.

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 09:16 AM

5. The link shows "405,399 in World War II"

??

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Response to kentuck (Reply #5)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 10:20 AM

6. The table is referring to battle deaths. The US suffered 114,000 non-battle deaths.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #5)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 10:20 AM

8. The numbers were split by "theater".

Europe vs. Japan.

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Response to CaptYossarian (Reply #8)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 10:25 AM

13. Right.

Some may have been confused by the stat.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #13)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 10:39 AM

15. I noticed because my father-in law was in the Philippines, while his brother was in Germany.

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Response to CaptYossarian (Reply #8)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 10:56 AM

17. Yes. But by the end of this year, there coud be 400k covid deaths...

...which will exceed all those WWII deaths, as well as all the Civil War deaths which similarly here were split into two camps.

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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #17)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 01:18 PM

25. You can count on the 400K.

There are too many stupid Trump cultists and immature college students not to reach that number. Several governors are complicit in this too.

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 10:20 AM

7. K&R n/t

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 10:21 AM

9. Americans killed in Benghazi: 4

years of endless hearings , years of spending millions for nothing found . twas on the repub watch when all embassy staff was cut . years of rage on right wing radio and faux noyze. in the pandemic , Americans killed by Trump in COVID pandemic: 196,345 <--- Today you are here , it is what it is and they died from underlying complicatons.
bah humbug.

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 10:23 AM

10. It's not just about soup cans.

Some dude threw a shoe at Dubya once.

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Response to CaptYossarian (Reply #10)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 10:25 AM

12. In fact...

BOTH shoes.

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Response to caraher (Reply #12)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 10:36 AM

14. "J-U-U-U-U-S-T a bit outside!"

He missed twice? And Bush was bright enough to duck twice? That's pathetic.

Send him down to the minors.

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Response to CaptYossarian (Reply #14)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 11:48 AM

21. Dodging was the first and last time Bush impressed me

Bush seemed to enjoy it, actually... kind of a smile almost after the first toss

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Response to caraher (Reply #21)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 01:23 PM

26. I haven't seen that since that night's evening news.

The throws were good. The problem was the warning screams that got Bush's attention.

(For fans of Dr. Demento} "Boot to the head!"

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 10:24 AM

11. Another point of comparison

We're 6 months into a pandemic and the death toll is comparable to that of wars that lasted several years. On a per-day basis the Civil War was our deadliest, and the daily death toll from COVID has exceeded that daily death rate, often by a factor of 2 or more, every day since April 1 or so.

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 10:42 AM

16. A great post

Rec

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 10:57 AM

18. KNR

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 11:14 AM

19. Yes, that puts things in perspective - thanks so much for posting this info. nt

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 11:41 AM

20. Correction: US Soldiers Killed on the battle field during the Civil War: 110,100


The so-called "Union" soldiers flew the US flag into battle. Soldiers from the Confederate States of America flew their own national flag into battle. They later were not US soldiers. They wounded and killed US soldiers.

Otherwise, excellent post!

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 11:50 AM

22. Keeping this one!

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 12:07 PM

23. Last time I looked, Japan was part of the Axis in WWII.

It seems fatuous to compare deaths due to the coronavirus to deaths in wars. Why not throw in deaths due to influenza, automobile accidents, and heart disease? The virus falls into that general class of disasters known as "Acts of God," whereas wars are manifestly acts of humans. That the acts of humans (or rather, their inaction) has greatly contributed to virus deaths in the US (to say nothing of the rest of the world, where the record is spotty) is clear, but no doubt thousands would have died with the best government and will in the world.

-- Mal

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Response to malthaussen (Reply #23)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 07:40 PM

28. No, if it had been contained at the start

Perhaps only hundreds would have died.

Trump KILLED them. HE is at War with We The People.

Great chart - On point, relevant, and factual, and did I say relevant?

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Response to malthaussen (Reply #23)

Sun Sep 13, 2020, 11:05 AM

32. +1

Proportionate to the population of the Revolutionary times or the Civil War, those numbers might be greater.

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 01:08 PM

24. The Trump Virus

We should be repeating this over and over, and tweeting it.

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #24)

Sun Sep 13, 2020, 11:01 AM

30. Titles

When someone drives a car, they are responsible for everyone in the car. So with trump in the driver's seat of the country, he is responsible. If Hilary had become president, she would be responsible and it would be called the Hilary virus whether she caused it or not.

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Response to wyocyoteee (Reply #30)

Mon Sep 21, 2020, 12:39 PM

34. welcome to DU

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 04:10 PM

27. You left out the 5,000+ plus killed in Iraq & Afghanistan nt

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 03:43 AM

29. Unlike the others, the pandemic is an exponential progression

The official doubling rate released by the Trump administration is a bit over 100 days. But other figures released or tallied calculate out to the doubling rate being much shorter, on the order of 30-45 days. The latter is to be expected with no real uniform, widespread, effective efforts to stop the spread. We'll be close to 400k or even half a million by election day when the above normal deaths are tallied.

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Sun Sep 13, 2020, 11:04 AM

31. good points though I might take out the wars of yore

there were fewer people in the US, so keep it 20th century, maybe add the 1918 flu.

Surprising how low it is for the Revolution.



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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Sun Sep 13, 2020, 04:35 PM

33. You are using some hyperbole.

Trump has not killed 196,000 Americans. Yes he has grossly mismanaged the crisis. He lied about its severity. And more have died than necessary because of his incompetence. But the virus would have come to this country and killed some people regardless of who had been president. The virus has killed in most other countries in the world as well. He is not responsible for each and every death.

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