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Sun Aug 30, 2020, 12:48 PM

Hey gang I just got asked to do jury duty on kind of a Debbie Downer post.

I am kinda discouraged by this kind of stuff. I have been doing phone banking in a pretty red area for 10 weeks. Lots of times it goes beyond just asking the script questions. I have been thinking about this a lot. On some calls I'm a cheerleader. Some people in my area only hear from the Trump cult and think there is no one they can talk to. I've had many examples of this pessimism. I relate the good experiences I've had compared to other elections. I lift their spirits and they certainly lift mine. I see nothing that indicates we should be scared, I'm not saying be complacent. Let's do everything to keep each other energized and hopeful.

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Reply Hey gang I just got asked to do jury duty on kind of a Debbie Downer post. (Original post)
gibraltar72 Aug 2020 OP
snowybirdie Aug 2020 #1
elleng Aug 2020 #2
mcar Aug 2020 #3
SWBTATTReg Aug 2020 #4
Andy823 Aug 2020 #11
obamanut2012 Aug 2020 #18
fleur-de-lisa Aug 2020 #5
demmiblue Aug 2020 #6
StrictlyRockers Aug 2020 #21
LakeArenal Aug 2020 #7
msongs Aug 2020 #8
Sogo Aug 2020 #9
bamagal62 Aug 2020 #10
gibraltar72 Aug 2020 #12
bamagal62 Aug 2020 #14
ancianita Aug 2020 #23
demmiblue Aug 2020 #25
ancianita Aug 2020 #26
demmiblue Aug 2020 #27
marybourg Aug 2020 #34
Sunsky Aug 2020 #13
c-rational Aug 2020 #24
IcyPeas Aug 2020 #15
liberalla Aug 2020 #17
lunatica Aug 2020 #19
roamer65 Aug 2020 #28
MerryBlooms Aug 2020 #16
gibraltar72 Aug 2020 #20
MerryBlooms Aug 2020 #29
demmiblue Aug 2020 #22
LineLineLineNew Reply .
MerryBlooms Aug 2020 #30
JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2020 #31
Crunchy Frog Aug 2020 #32
PatrickforO Aug 2020 #33

Response to gibraltar72 (Original post)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 12:53 PM

1. Think I got it too

I wanted to help this obviously depressed person. More going on there than just not liking rtump. So sad he's bring down so many good people.

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Response to gibraltar72 (Original post)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 12:54 PM

2. Thanks, and keep up the good work!

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Response to gibraltar72 (Original post)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 12:57 PM

3. Yes, lots of Debbie Downer threads in the last few days

One might suspect collaboration.

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Response to mcar (Reply #3)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 01:08 PM

4. I think you're absolutely right, a lot of Debbie Downers, and on a democratically favored website.

DU is our site, and thus, this is our chance to shine, to highlight the definite advantages of Biden vs. rump, who we see on a daily basis w/ the constantly increasing CV death count. The most massive failure of trump by far.

This is our chance to shine, to push through trump's dismal and numerous failures, and highlight Biden's expertise, experience, and definite desire to help ALL Americans.

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Response to mcar (Reply #3)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 02:03 PM

11. I have noticed that also

of course it seems to happen every election year, lots of doom and gloom, Debbie downer posts, both sides are the same, misinformation, etc. The one thing they have in common is trying to divide posters, and get people to "NOT" vote for one reason or another.

I ignore most of them, but ones that are so obviously trying to cause problems need to be reported.

I also think this year will be even worse than the past when it comes to divisive posts.

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Response to mcar (Reply #3)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 02:58 PM

18. Yup, pretty obvious

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Response to gibraltar72 (Original post)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 01:11 PM

5. K&R

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Response to gibraltar72 (Original post)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 01:15 PM

6. People should be able to express how they feel (unless we are talking about obvious trolls).

Me, I have different thoughts regarding the election every day... both positive and negative. It is human nature.

I don't see the need to police people for their thoughts/feelings.

(And thank you for your voter outreach)

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #6)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 03:08 PM

21. What a unique perspective to see on DU.

How rare.

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Response to gibraltar72 (Original post)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 01:22 PM

7. Too many conflate confidence with complacency.

As you say, as long as we continue our work to get Joe elected, I am confident in a win.

Also, too many are still sweating 2016.
2020 is not a repeat. Not in the least. Sure cheating and false facts are still in play. That doesnít mean itís a repeat. We keep fighting. We win.

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Response to gibraltar72 (Original post)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 01:44 PM

8. yes let's not have a variety of opinions expressed on a message board lol nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #8)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 01:55 PM

9. Thanks for saying that.

Let's keep it real....



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Response to gibraltar72 (Original post)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 01:59 PM

10. I keep getting asked to serve on a jury.

This is the first time.
What exactly are you asked to do?

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Response to bamagal62 (Reply #10)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 02:05 PM

12. basically given options to decide whether post broke the standards

Then to what degree. Also whether alert was warranted. I love discussion the post was just my own thoughts.

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Response to gibraltar72 (Reply #12)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 02:12 PM

14. Thanks!

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Response to bamagal62 (Reply #14)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 03:21 PM

23. Here's the rundown on DU's Moderation system.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #23)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 03:29 PM

25. This too, also:

Don't interfere with forum moderation

Don't post messages about site rules, enforcement, juries, hosts, administration, alerts, alerters, removed posts, appeals, locked threads, or anything else related to how this website is moderated (except in the Ask the Administrators forum).

Why we have this rule: The purpose of Democratic Underground is to discuss politics, issues, and current events. Open discussion of how the website is run tends to distract from our core purpose.


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Response to demmiblue (Reply #25)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 03:36 PM

26. And the the joke is...?

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Response to ancianita (Reply #26)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 03:37 PM

27. Whoosh. n/t

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Response to ancianita (Reply #26)

Mon Aug 31, 2020, 03:11 PM

34. That this post is in violation of site rules.

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Response to gibraltar72 (Original post)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 02:08 PM

13. Thanks for this

Have you noticed that even when the right is behind in the polls, they act as if the whole country is with them and they are winning? This serves to motivate their voters and keep hope alive. While we on the left if Biden goes down a percent albeit still ahead in the polls, we bombard the internet with "the sky is falling" posts. This only helps to motivate cult45 supports and demoralize ours. This is a losing strategy. We need more confidence on our side. There are some posters on DU, I love to read their posts because even when we are down they always lift our spirits. Others on the opposite end of the spectrum, I've ignored. Some mistakenly think that confidence will suppress the votes. No, demoralizing our side will. Trump will not win this election.

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Response to Sunsky (Reply #13)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 03:23 PM

24. +1 Well said. Stay positive!

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Response to gibraltar72 (Original post)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 02:51 PM

15. I opted out of doing jury duty. I don't like it.

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Response to IcyPeas (Reply #15)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 02:57 PM

17. Same here.

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Response to IcyPeas (Reply #15)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 03:04 PM

19. Ditto

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Response to lunatica (Reply #19)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 03:45 PM

28. Ditto of your ditto.

It grew very old very fast.

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Response to gibraltar72 (Original post)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 02:55 PM

16. People are stressed out, depressed and scared. With these last 4 years, who the hell wouldn't be?

I give a lot of thought and leeway on jury duty to people who are scared. If it's an obvious trolling, that's different, but people Are concerned, and I'm tired of seeing them belittled for speaking their heart.

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Response to MerryBlooms (Reply #16)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 03:06 PM

20. Yeah I didn't thumbs down the reply.

I know people are wigging out. I just want us to stay as positive as possible. I've found my attitude influences others. I actually had a guy call me back after I had phonebanked him to tell me again how much he appreciated talking to me. I will call him back a couple times just to talk. People have never expressed fear to voice their opinions in over 20 years of phonebanking until now.

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Response to gibraltar72 (Reply #20)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 03:52 PM

29. Beaut.

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Response to MerryBlooms (Reply #16)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 03:12 PM

22. +1

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #22)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 03:52 PM

30. .

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Response to gibraltar72 (Original post)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 03:57 PM

31. I think most jury duty is simple.

If it's clearly a troll, or a commercial advert clickbait, or a personal smear out of the blue, I vote to convict.

If I don't understand the issue, or it's a personal smear in a long back-and-forth of personal smears, I vote to acquit.

Mostly I vote to acquit.

Once it was an issue near to my heart, so I bailed on jury duty.

Don't stress. Yes, we have a death penalty (with pizza), but hey ...

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Response to gibraltar72 (Original post)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 03:57 PM

32. I'm a Debbie Downer. I just don't post about it here, but I can understand people who do.

I certainly wouldn't vote to hide such a post. These are terrifying times with lots of uncertainty, and many people are extremely stressed. I would rather give them emotional support than condemn them.

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Response to gibraltar72 (Original post)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 04:01 PM

33. There is hope. There is always hope.

We have walked through four years of darkness, hatred and fear.

Fortunately, Trump overdid it. And the powers of hatred, fear and darkness are not almighty.

You all know we must work with the Democratic message of planning your vote. All of us must plan our votes. Are we currently registered? How will we vote? When will we do it? Where are the polling places? If it is a mail-in ballot, like in my state of Colorado, when will they be mailed out? When will I expect to receive mine? Where can I drop my ballot off? Is there a locked box? A building? Or do I have to mail it in? How can I be sure it was received and is being counted?

My hope, and it is real, is that we will win in a landslide. I'm not telling people off this site that, because we need to keep running as if we're behind, but I really feel it will be a huge victory.

And Trump has left a huge, huge mess - like a big pile of stinking garbage. This is why we need to take concrete steps to make the republic stronger. This means universally working on voter access and getting rid of voter suppression. We need a new voting rights act to replace the one the Supreme Court gutted.

We need to review many of the judges the Republican senate ramrodded through to see if they are really qualified, and get rid of the ones who are not.

We need to fix our K-12 system by getting rid of these ALEC policies that encourage vouchers and allow 'choice.' That is not real. Because the poorest, most vulnerable still get left behind. We need to fix ALL of the K-12 schools and build a public school system that is the envy of the world.

And address climate change. Health care. Solvency of the Social Security Trust Fund. Reimpose reasonable regulations the Trump administration got rid of.

And we need to raise taxes. Sorry, but we do. We need to end the tax cuts back to 1970 levels, and create a balance whereby individual taxpayers are paying in around $0.45 and corporations around $0.35 of every tax dollar the Federal Government takes in. Right now, those ratios are individual taxpayers are putting in $0.86 of every dollar while corporations are skating by with $0.06. That's not fiscally responsible at all, and needs to be FIXED.

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