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Wed Aug 26, 2020, 02:10 PM

Which is more secure? To vote in person, or by mail?

Not necessarily which is more "safe".

But, if I cannot get my ballot mailed with at least two weeks left until Election Day, I will choose to stand in line to vote, if necessary.

It's sad that there is so much doubt about out voting system.

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Reply Which is more secure? To vote in person, or by mail? (Original post)
kentuck Aug 2020 OP
hlthe2b Aug 2020 #1
Throck Aug 2020 #2
LisaL Aug 2020 #7
Throck Aug 2020 #8
LisaL Aug 2020 #10
Throck Aug 2020 #20
Aviation91 Aug 2020 #3
LisaL Aug 2020 #5
lagomorph777 Aug 2020 #12
Nay Aug 2020 #28
LisaL Aug 2020 #4
Chainfire Aug 2020 #6
Green Line Aug 2020 #9
pwb Aug 2020 #11
mitch96 Aug 2020 #13
yortsed snacilbuper Aug 2020 #14
LisaL Aug 2020 #15
NightWatcher Aug 2020 #16
LisaL Aug 2020 #18
mcar Aug 2020 #17
Javaman Aug 2020 #19
Jeebo Aug 2020 #21
LisaL Aug 2020 #25
Sherman A1 Aug 2020 #22
Locutusofborg Aug 2020 #23
XanaDUer2 Aug 2020 #24
Gothmog Aug 2020 #26
Celerity Aug 2020 #27
Gothmog Aug 2020 #29

Response to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Aug 26, 2020, 02:14 PM

1. You are in Colorado still, aren't you? All of us get our ballot at least a month early by mail

I will take mine the next day to the Voter Registration/Office of the County Clerk and drop it off. I nearly always place it in a drop-off box, but the convenient ones tend not to be "open" until the week before election day. I want to get mine done and counted as quickly as possible.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Aug 26, 2020, 02:18 PM

2. I don't trust Trump, I think he wants mail in votes.

He's a master manipulator and would have his goons steal the ballots from the post office.

I'm going to mask up and shower in hand sanitizer but I'll vote the bastard out of office in person.

I'm tired of his shit.

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Response to Throck (Reply #2)

Wed Aug 26, 2020, 02:23 PM

7. What makes you think Trump won't try shit on election day?

He is already promising to send some goons to polling places.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #7)

Wed Aug 26, 2020, 02:25 PM

8. He will try shit.

But it will be on video.

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Response to Throck (Reply #8)

Wed Aug 26, 2020, 02:26 PM

10. What good is that going to do if it prevents people from voting?

Anyhow, people are already asking for absentee in large numbers. So absentee will be a very large part of votes in states that allow it.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #10)

Wed Aug 26, 2020, 03:05 PM

20. It'll be like giving the guy the finger.

Travel in groups. Going to make MLK and Ghandi proud.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Aug 26, 2020, 02:18 PM

3. I'm voting in person...

I can’t take a chance with the most important election in the history of this country!

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Response to Aviation91 (Reply #3)

Wed Aug 26, 2020, 02:22 PM

5. Sounds like a plan.

I am voting by mail, hopefully.

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Response to Aviation91 (Reply #3)

Wed Aug 26, 2020, 02:29 PM

12. I requested my ballot and will drop it off at the County Registrar the day I receive it.

Virginia only legalized mail in voting (without an ironclad "excuse" this cycle, so this is all completely new to me, and a little bit anxiety-producing.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #12)

Wed Aug 26, 2020, 05:53 PM

28. I am going to absentee-vote in VA, which I've done before. I want to make sure my

actual ballot gets in before Election Day. VA is not infamous for screwing with the voting process, but if the USPS is ruined by Trump before Nov. 3, there's no way to 'backtrack' and vote another way.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Aug 26, 2020, 02:21 PM

4. I've asked for absentee ballot already.

I am still getting mail.
So I am hoping for the best. I can drop the ballot in a drop box if I deem it necessary. If it comes to worst and I won't be mailed a ballot in time, I can vote provisional on election day.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Aug 26, 2020, 02:23 PM

6. I am going to the polls if I have to fight my way in.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Aug 26, 2020, 02:26 PM

9. I'm in Mass, I did a mail in ballot for our primary but used a drop box

I put it in the box on Sunday and I was able to using ballot tracking to find out it was accepted on Monday.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Aug 26, 2020, 02:29 PM

11. Both are good. I

do not to believe the doubt? That is trumps thing.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Aug 26, 2020, 02:30 PM

13. The vote that is counted...... nt

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Aug 26, 2020, 02:31 PM

14. I think I'll risk it,

I used mail to vote in the primary, so I'm already signed up for the GE?

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Response to yortsed snacilbuper (Reply #14)

Wed Aug 26, 2020, 02:33 PM

15. Depends on your state.

You better figure out what the rules are.
In my state I had to ask for an absentee ballot for general even though I voted by mail in the primary. Your board of elections website should list the rules.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Aug 26, 2020, 02:37 PM

16. I'm early voting in person in Florida. I don't trust the screwing with mail.

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #16)

Wed Aug 26, 2020, 02:42 PM

18. Early voting would have been a good option in OH, but it only allows

one early voting place per county.
I don't feel like mingling with bunch of people right now.
As I am still getting mail, I am hoping my voting by mail goes smoothly.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Aug 26, 2020, 02:42 PM

17. I've been VBM here in Florida for years

I bring our ballots to the Elections office and track them on the supervisor's site.

It is very secure.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Aug 26, 2020, 02:54 PM

19. Here in Texas, I don't have a choice

Wish I did, but I have to vote in person.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Aug 26, 2020, 03:17 PM

21. I suspect voting by mail is safer.

If you don't want to get the virus, and if you want your vote to be counted fairly. Please bear with me while I explain that belief:

Here in Boone County, Missouri, before the March 10 primary, the last time I voted in person, you have to fill out your ballot and then take it to a machine that counts the ballots and stick in the slot and the machine sucks it in. I always feel nervous as hell when I do that, because I don't trust those machines as far as I can pick one of them up and throw it. How do I know what goes in within the electronic innards of that machine is counting my vote fairly and accurately? I don't know. I just have to trust it. What other choice do I have?

On the other hand, a Boone County elections official who works in the county clerk's office explained their procedure for opening and counting mail-in ballots. That official posted the procedure on a local community message board online. S/he said that each ballot is opened in the presence of one Democratic and one Republicon observer, and then counted, also in the presence of those same observers. That sounds to me like the mail-in ballots are hand-counted. If that is true, I trust that procedure MUCH more than voting in person at the polling place.

I am not sure I can trust the mail, though, so when I get my ballot, I am going to fill it out right away and hand-deliver it to the county clerk's office. I voted by mail in June and August, and I used the online tracker to see that they did receive my ballot, but regardless, this time I'm going to hand-deliver it.

-- Ron

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Response to Jeebo (Reply #21)

Wed Aug 26, 2020, 03:59 PM

25. I am pretty sure they still use a machine to scan absentee ballots.

Counting them by hand would take forever.
Especially considering there is not just a presidential race on the ballot.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Aug 26, 2020, 03:21 PM

22. I will vote my absentee ballot and hand deliver it

to the BOE office in my county.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Aug 26, 2020, 03:35 PM

23. I always fill out my absentee ballot at home & SIGN IT!

Then I drive over to the Registrar of Voters office and hand the ballot to a collection person. Its a drive through set up so I don't even get out of my car. I go at off hours, days before the election and I'm back home in half an hour.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Aug 26, 2020, 03:53 PM

24. Voting at the poll

Taking the chance, but don't trustTrump.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Aug 26, 2020, 04:35 PM

26. There is a higher rejection rate for vote by mail ballots

I will find the study on this

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #26)

Wed Aug 26, 2020, 04:45 PM

27. yes, it is much higher, and Rump's army of goons are not only going to voter intimidate at the polls

but also will challenge (or try to) damn near every mail-in ballot if they are allowed to be observers when that counting ensues.

Long ago, before the DeJoy and Rump USPS shite had become front page news, I tried to post articles on mail-in voting issues (with advice to overcome them), backed up with scientific studies (MIT did one for instance), and from Democratic Party friendly, VERY anti-Rethug sources, and I got smacked down (ludicrously) for pushing RW talking points, so I no longer get involved via attempting to do OP's on it.

cheers

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Response to Celerity (Reply #27)

Fri Aug 28, 2020, 01:35 AM

29. How likely is it that your mail-in ballot won't get counted?

This is a good study that shows a higher rejection rate. I had heard that there was a 2% to 3% rejection rate but this study shows a higher rate https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/08/25/how-likely-is-it-that-your-mail-in-ballot-wont-get-counted/

But voting by mail has some other practical risks that few have noted. It’s more complex than voting in person, administratively speaking. As a result, those who cast their ballots by mail might be less likely to have their votes counted than those who vote in person.

In an article forthcoming in the Harvard Data Science Review, I have worked to quantify how much riskier it is for someone to vote by mail than in person. Depending on the state in which a citizen is voting, the increased risk of having your vote lost — meaning, not counted in the election — ranges from 3.5 percent to 4.9 percent.

“Lost votes” is a term coined by the Caltech/MIT Voting Technology Project (VTP) in its 2001 report “Voting: What Is/What Could Be.” Here’s what it means. Suppose a voter wakes up on Election Day, fully intending to vote, and does everything required to do so. If the intention is thwarted, that is a lost vote. For instance, she might arrive at the polls at 6 p.m. and finds the line is so long that she leaves and can’t return to cast a ballot by 7 p.m. when the polls close.

If she intends to vote by mail, here’s what might go wrong. In states where a voter must apply for a mail ballot, the ballot application could get lost in the mail; the local election office could lose the application or deny it; the ballot might not make it back to the voter, for instance, getting lost in the mail; and the marked ballot might not make it from the voter back to the local election office. Even if the ballot arrives, it could be rejected because it arrived late or lacked a signature — the two most common reasons for rejection. Finally, the ballot could have an error that she could have caught had she voted in person....

Estimating these risks is difficult. It’s nearly impossible to find hard data on whether the ballot request makes it to the local election office. I approximated this by relying on USPS performance reports, which indicate that approximately 0.4 percent of first-class mail and 0.7 percent of marketing mail fail to reach its destination within three days of the delivery standards set by the Postal Service. I assumed that 99.9 percent of the time, when local election officials do receive a valid application, they respond by mailing out a ballot. If we apply the 0.4 percent failed delivery figure both to the voter’s application for and return of a mail ballot, and then add 0.1 percent chance of it getting lost in the office and the 0.7 percent failed delivery figure for the election office’s response, this suggests that 1.6 percent of mail-ballot applications fail to deliver a ballot to the voter.


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