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Thu Aug 13, 2020, 05:29 PM

Immediate Remedy For USPS Sabotage

According to the Daily Kos, (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/8/13/1968935/-Immediate-Remedy-For-USPS-Sabotage):

Washington, Oregon, Hawaii, Colorado, and Utah use 100% vote-by-mail in their elections. These states should go to the Supreme Court in a lawsuit against Trump and DeJoy (postmaster general) so that under the “original Jurisdiction” rules in the constitution the case can be brought directly to the Supreme Court, commencing with a request for a temporary restraining order and preliminary injunction.

18 US Code Section 1701 et seq. makes intentional delay or obstruction of the U.S. mail by any person a federal crime.

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Reply Immediate Remedy For USPS Sabotage (Original post)
Quemado Aug 2020 OP
hlthe2b Aug 2020 #1
OnDoutside Aug 2020 #2
matt819 Aug 2020 #5
uponit7771 Aug 2020 #6
gab13by13 Aug 2020 #7
zentrum Aug 2020 #24
OnDoutside Aug 2020 #55
mahina Aug 2020 #20
OnDoutside Aug 2020 #54
onetexan Aug 2020 #52
OnDoutside Aug 2020 #53
LSparkle Aug 2020 #3
Hamlette Aug 2020 #4
dchill Aug 2020 #8
AllaN01Bear Aug 2020 #9
Joinfortmill Aug 2020 #10
certainot Aug 2020 #38
Mike Niendorff Aug 2020 #11
onetexan Aug 2020 #42
KT2000 Aug 2020 #12
bucolic_frolic Aug 2020 #13
h2ebits Aug 2020 #18
soldierant Aug 2020 #26
h2ebits Aug 2020 #30
soldierant Aug 2020 #51
LiberalArkie Aug 2020 #14
onetexan Aug 2020 #15
spanone Aug 2020 #16
panader0 Aug 2020 #17
ffr Aug 2020 #19
KewlKat Aug 2020 #21
SunSeeker Aug 2020 #22
zentrum Aug 2020 #23
brooklynite Aug 2020 #25
radius777 Aug 2020 #33
brooklynite Aug 2020 #34
stopdiggin Aug 2020 #44
lettucebe Aug 2020 #27
smirkymonkey Aug 2020 #28
Tribetime Aug 2020 #29
greblach Aug 2020 #31
jaxexpat Aug 2020 #32
onetexan Aug 2020 #43
Democracy2020 Aug 2020 #35
appleannie1 Aug 2020 #36
Texin Aug 2020 #37
bucolic_frolic Aug 2020 #39
C Moon Aug 2020 #40
Mike 03 Aug 2020 #41
Trailrider1951 Aug 2020 #45
StocktonNative Aug 2020 #46
tableturner Aug 2020 #47
panfluteman Aug 2020 #48
ElementaryPenguin Aug 2020 #49
Nululu Aug 2020 #50

Response to Quemado (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 05:32 PM

1. I like it.

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Response to Quemado (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 05:33 PM

2. If this is the case, why haven't these State AGs already started the

process ?

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #2)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 06:19 PM

5. Just what I was thinking (nt)

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #2)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 06:22 PM

6. +1

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #2)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 06:23 PM

7. I agree, time is wasting.

I voted for the first time by mail in the last primary. Pa. Pa. is being sued over its mail in ballots. I keep checking the status, I will do whatever it takes to cast my vote.

No one is talking about this in conjunction with trump trying to prevent mail in voting. It is harder to cheat with mail in voting. I have been voting into a machine with no paper trail. It is far easier to rig voting machines by pre-programming them than it is to cheat with paper ballots.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #7)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 10:00 PM

24. Yes. They need to do it immediately.

No delay.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #7)

Fri Aug 14, 2020, 06:56 PM

55. If only everyone was as aware. My brother is in FL, and has been

doing absentee ballots for years, but always goes to the drop box in the election supervisors office.

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #2)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 08:49 PM

20. I don't know about the rest but Hawaii is completely

Jammed up. We went from one percent positive 5 to 7 today 10%

We went from single digits to double then triple and today over 300 positive

It’s got us absolutely in a wringer

I know for you guys those are really low numbers but for us they’re astronomical

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Response to mahina (Reply #20)

Fri Aug 14, 2020, 06:47 PM

54. We're going through something similar too. Not as bad though.

A number of clusters around meat factories is the biggest issue. Something has to be done about workers conditions there,

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #2)

Fri Aug 14, 2020, 06:22 PM

52. Some have already been working on it. See my post re: MI's AG further down.

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Response to onetexan (Reply #52)

Fri Aug 14, 2020, 06:45 PM

53. Thanks that's really informative.

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Response to Quemado (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 06:00 PM

3. Good idea

Could other AGs join in? I’m thinking Letitia James (NY) and Xavier Becerra (CA) might want some of this action.

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Response to Quemado (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 06:19 PM

4. don't count on Utah to sue Trump

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Response to Quemado (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 06:34 PM

8. Prima facie.

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Response to Quemado (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 06:38 PM

9. ive been saying this all the way along .that includes trump and his post master general.

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Response to Quemado (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 06:40 PM

10. Somebody needs to do something. Now.

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Response to Joinfortmill (Reply #10)

Fri Aug 14, 2020, 09:53 AM

38. maybe americans can start a non-election mail vacation to ease the work load at

the right times

also offense - boycott any advertiser on any rw radio station

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Response to Quemado (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 06:42 PM

11. K&R


Dems -- seriously, do this IMMEDIATELY.


MDN

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Response to Mike Niendorff (Reply #11)

Fri Aug 14, 2020, 01:15 PM

42. +1 -K&R

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Response to Quemado (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 06:49 PM

12. Washington has a great AG

and I bet he is rounding up support among the other AGs.
Sent this info to his office.

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Response to Quemado (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:22 PM

13. So

he closes the USPS for "overhaul" November 1, those 5 states have just the early votes, he declares their results invalid diminishing Biden's EV total, thus kicking the election to the House.

Impossible?

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #13)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:47 PM

18. Wrong thought process

I'm in Colorado. We have other methods in play and we DO want people to vote.

#1 is that we use drop boxes everywhere so people have direct contact with the election division office in their county and don't have to return their ballot via the USPS.

#2. People can register to vote, receive a ballot, and vote at the various Voter Service Centers set up around the state up to 7pm on Election Day.

#3. People can get a new ballot if they didn't receive the first one and vote it at the various Voter Service Centers set up around the state up to 7pm on Election Day. It will process immediately as received and the County Elections Division office will receive it via drop box shortly afterwards to be counted.

#4. People can check the status of their ballot at the various Voter Service Centers set up around the state and, if the computer system shows that it hasn't been recorded as received at the Election Division office, a new ballot can be printed that will supersede the original sent ballot and record that one as received so it will go into the drop box and be received shortly thereafter via drop box at the County Elections Division office.

NOTE: The drop boxes go through a procedure of ensuring they are empty--viewed and verified by two people. Then they are locked and tagged and not opened again until they get to the Elections Division office to be processed and counted. People slide their ballot through a slot on the drop box.

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Response to h2ebits (Reply #18)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 10:13 PM

26. Jana Griswold, our SoS, offered on natioal TV to assist any other states' SoS

with advice. I suggest that means she is open to inquiries. Perhaps we should ask her.

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Response to soldierant (Reply #26)

Fri Aug 14, 2020, 02:06 AM

30. Jena Griswold is fierce

She is putting out News Releases that seem to come out every day or so. Here's the website for all of them:

https://www.sos.state.co.us/pubs/newsRoom/pressReleases/index.html

And here's the title of the one that she put out on Thursday:
August 13 - Statement from Colorado Secretary of State Jena Griswold on President Trump’s Comments on United States Postal Service Funding for Mail Ballots

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Response to h2ebits (Reply #30)

Fri Aug 14, 2020, 04:54 PM

51. Thank you. bookmarking.

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Response to Quemado (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:25 PM

14. Maybe no machines have been removed in those states.

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Response to Quemado (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:36 PM

15. Michigan's AG was just on Ali Velshi discussing this. She said it's a clear violation of the VRA

and also violates states' constitutional right to vote absentee as well. This is a clear attemp to subvert the right to vote of Americans. All Dem states AGs should file a class action lawsuit to get this shut down ASAP. I wonder why we're not hearing more from these states' AGs.

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Response to Quemado (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:37 PM

16. K&R

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Response to Quemado (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:38 PM

17. Charge trump and Joyless with voter suppression.

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Response to Quemado (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:47 PM

19. And one more crime to the scroll of crimes our impeached pResident has committed.

our impeached pResident and accomplices HAVE committed.

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Response to Quemado (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 09:03 PM

21. Kick

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Response to Quemado (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 09:11 PM

22. I hope CA Attorney General Xavier Becerra signs on as well!

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Response to Quemado (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 09:57 PM

23. Hope Pelosi

…and Schumer will make this happen in the various states.

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Response to Quemado (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 10:11 PM

25. A restraining order against WHAT?

I don't think people appreciate the fact that the Constitution established a Post Office but said nothing about service quality. The Postmaster General hasn't said that mail WILL be delayed or WILL be obstructed. He's said they won't pay overtime.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #25)

Fri Aug 14, 2020, 07:12 AM

33. Don't be obtuse. This a clear attempt to sabotage the election

in the midst of a pandemic.

The right to vote is a sacred right that people like John Lewis fought for.

If Trump steals another election there will be open revolt... democracy itself is at risk.

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Response to radius777 (Reply #33)

Fri Aug 14, 2020, 07:30 AM

34. "It's obvious" is not legal grounds for an inunction.

Nd FWIW you have no Federal right to vote for a president, much less vote by mail.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #34)

Fri Aug 14, 2020, 01:37 PM

44. I get this a lot. But appreciate you making the effort! (nt)

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Response to Quemado (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 11:36 PM

27. Yes, please. There must be a legal remedy or our constitution is meaningless

This is the DU member formerly known as lettucebe.

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Response to Quemado (Original post)

Fri Aug 14, 2020, 01:27 AM

28. K&R

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Response to Quemado (Original post)

Fri Aug 14, 2020, 01:56 AM

29. I love the way you think😄😄😄😄😄😄😊😊

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Response to Quemado (Original post)

Fri Aug 14, 2020, 02:18 AM

31. Agree

The Washington State AG has been quite successful...

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Response to Quemado (Original post)

Fri Aug 14, 2020, 06:42 AM

32. OK, scenario: the supreme court takes this seriously and are looking into the charges......

There are enough states involved that they represent a substantial number of total voters.

If I were Trump, I'd get my personal AG and his hand picked crew to foment a call to delay the election. Successful or not, there will be enough confusion and partisan attitudes running amok that MANY folks will be forced to look at the REAL possibility of a physical conflict, a civil disturbance of immense proportions on their street. In the face of that possibility most will allow Trump's guys to do whatever they want, constitutional or not.
The only hope, then, is that, prior to Nov.3, the senate will change it's mind about removal of POTUS after all. But remember, the bad players in this horror show do not care about this nation or it's citizens one whit. Civil war in America is the closest it's been for a long time. For them, it's just another option.

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Response to jaxexpat (Reply #32)

Fri Aug 14, 2020, 01:20 PM

43. The idiot has already tried floating the election delay & it didnt stick

We w have President Pelosi if come jan 20 the electoral college hasn't voted. This is why he's resorted to sabotaging the postal service.

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Response to Quemado (Original post)

Fri Aug 14, 2020, 07:52 AM

35. Take a stand against Trump's interference in our elections

The link below allows you to open a complaint with the USPS Inspector General regarding Trumps interference in our elections. Take a stand!

https://www.uspsoig.gov/

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Response to Quemado (Original post)

Fri Aug 14, 2020, 09:05 AM

37. I'd be all in on that.

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Response to Quemado (Original post)

Fri Aug 14, 2020, 12:44 PM

39. delay or obstruction

all crime is local. It needs a jurisdiction, and evidence, and a report.

I just don't know how far 'obstruction by managerial conspiracy' is going to go.

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Response to Quemado (Original post)

Fri Aug 14, 2020, 12:51 PM

40. It's insane that we have to defend the voting process in the United States of America.

If this isn't evidence enough to convince everyone in the world that the GOP and Trump are fascist tyrants, than nothing will be.

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Response to C Moon (Reply #40)

Fri Aug 14, 2020, 12:54 PM

41. It is.

This feels unreal.

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Response to Quemado (Original post)

Fri Aug 14, 2020, 01:45 PM

45. Governor Inslee (D-WA) is inquiring with our AG, Mr. Ferguson

about just such a lawsuit. Here is a video from KIRO 7 from this morning:

https://www.kiro7.com/video/?id=66bb2f45-f3ba-4d17-97f9-ba57fd95d474

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Response to Quemado (Original post)

Fri Aug 14, 2020, 01:47 PM

46. Oregon has dropped boxes

at libraries and public buildings throughout the counties. You also drop a signed ballot at the registrars office.

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Response to Quemado (Original post)

Fri Aug 14, 2020, 02:24 PM

47. If the suit works, what would ensure compliance? Winning is not enough. Need enforcement.

Trump won't do the right thing unless absolutely forced to do so.

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Response to Quemado (Original post)

Fri Aug 14, 2020, 03:07 PM

48. I Knew That Something Like This Would Happen to the 2020 Election Over a Year Ago.

Some kind of problem with communications systems, since the astrological event chart for the 2020 election showed the planet Mercury, which rules transportation and communications, coming to a station and going from retrograde to direct motion on the very day of the election. And when a planet is at a station, the strength or volume of its influence is turned way up. And for the three week period before the election that Mercury will be retrograde, it will be making some key hard or difficult aspects to important points in America's natal chart. So I knew that there would be some kind of communications problem adversely affecting this upcoming election - I just didn't know exactly what form it would take. So, this whole USPS problem doesn't really surprise me - it fits right in with what the astrology chart for the 2020 election predicted.

One thing's for sure - this will be THE big problem with this election in November. I personally think that it's fine and dandy to battle what Trump is doing in court, but we must think and take action beyond that - like coming up with alternative ways to deliver those ballots that can bypass USPS if necessary. Any ideas?

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Response to Quemado (Original post)

Fri Aug 14, 2020, 03:09 PM

49. Excellent. Needs to be done NOW!!

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Response to Quemado (Original post)

Fri Aug 14, 2020, 03:53 PM

50. Lawyer's group: These are felonies

https://lawandcrime-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/lawandcrime.com/2020-election/these-are-felonies-lawyers-react-with-horror-to-reports-of-post-office-removing-mail-sorting-machines/amp/?amp_js_v=a3&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQIKAGwASDAAQE%3D#aoh=15974381576795&_ct=1597438175853&csi=1&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Flawandcrime.com%2F2020-election%2Fthese-are-felonies-lawyers-react-with-horror-to-reports-of-post-office-removing-mail-sorting-machines%2F


U.S. Postmaster General Louis DeJoy has reportedly started to remove mail sorting machines from Post Offices across the country.

The process of removing those machines has stoked fears that President Donald Trump and his allies in the executive branch are intentionally sabotaging mail operations in order to diminish the capability of the U.S. Postal Service (USPS) to sort and deliver mail-in ballots in a timely fashion for the 2020 general election.

“Tampering with the mail and federal elections are crimes no matter who does it,” federal criminal defense attorney Tor Ekeland told Law&Crime. “Just because you run the bank doesn’t mean you get to steal the money. This reeks of mail and election fraud–the scheme to defraud using the removal of mail sorting machines without reason as a means to inhibit mail in voting. These are felonies and should be investigated and prosecuted appropriately.”

According to Vice News‘s Aaron Gordon, union officials and postal workers say that “facilities around the country” are being stripped of mail sorting machines “without any official explanation or reason.”

The outlet claims 19 such machines have been decommissioned–or will be decommissioned in the immediate future–from at five mail processing facilities. And apparently none of the day-to-day workers or leadership have been given any clue about what’s going on.

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