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Thu Aug 13, 2020, 04:43 PM

What happens, in ANY presidential election, if on lets say October 15th

as in 3 weeks prior to election, with all the ballots made up or whatever (I am sincerely asking for the experts to tell me what happens) and for ANY reason the candidate for president on EITHER party ticket is unable to continue?

Forget why, forget which party this is happening to; for instance if 3 weeks prior to election the candidate for prez for X party disappears on a spaceship with aliens from another planet (trying to make this simple, generic and not complicated) what happens?

Does the VP candidate on that ticket become the P candidate if the party says that is what they want, or what happens, please someone tell me.

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Reply What happens, in ANY presidential election, if on lets say October 15th (Original post)
Eliot Rosewater Aug 2020 OP
brush Aug 2020 #1
Cartaphelius Aug 2020 #2
Eliot Rosewater Aug 2020 #6
Squinch Aug 2020 #10
Cartaphelius Aug 2020 #22
murielm99 Aug 2020 #3
Eliot Rosewater Aug 2020 #4
Gothmog Aug 2020 #5
murielm99 Aug 2020 #7
Eliot Rosewater Aug 2020 #8
AnyFunctioningAdult Aug 2020 #9
Totally Tunsie Aug 2020 #11
Eliot Rosewater Aug 2020 #13
rzemanfl Aug 2020 #20
rzemanfl Aug 2020 #24
MyOwnPeace Aug 2020 #12
Eliot Rosewater Aug 2020 #17
Brainfodder Aug 2020 #14
Eliot Rosewater Aug 2020 #15
Brainfodder Aug 2020 #21
MyOwnPeace Aug 2020 #36
Laelth Aug 2020 #16
Eliot Rosewater Aug 2020 #18
Laelth Aug 2020 #25
Eliot Rosewater Aug 2020 #26
Laelth Aug 2020 #30
rzemanfl Aug 2020 #19
Eliot Rosewater Aug 2020 #23
rzemanfl Aug 2020 #28
Eliot Rosewater Aug 2020 #29
rzemanfl Aug 2020 #31
Eliot Rosewater Aug 2020 #33
rzemanfl Aug 2020 #39
Laelth Aug 2020 #27
global1 Aug 2020 #32
Eliot Rosewater Aug 2020 #34
AmyStrange Aug 2020 #41
judeling Aug 2020 #35
MyOwnPeace Aug 2020 #38
Drunken Irishman Aug 2020 #37
rzemanfl Aug 2020 #40

Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 04:49 PM

1. Pence would become the repug presidential candidate. I'm not sure about the non-encumbent...

party's position.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 04:49 PM

2. The surviving candidate wins by default.

 

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Response to Cartaphelius (Reply #2)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 04:52 PM

6. You mean the VP still on the ballot continues to run and if they win they win?

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Response to Cartaphelius (Reply #2)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 04:56 PM

10. That's just not true.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #10)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 05:14 PM

22. You are right.

 

Reading the post by Brush and then your echo made it clear.

Thanks Squinch.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 04:49 PM

3. Dunno.

None of this is in the Constitution. It is up to the party. Then, I imagine all sorts of people will sue each other.

People have died and remained on the ballot. Some of them have even been elected after they are dead. But a President?

Let the speculation begin.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #3)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 04:51 PM

4. OK, thanks. What I guess then could happen is the party would say they

want the VP to be the P on the ballot?

Has it ever happened on prez election, hasnt I am sure, so who knows exactly what happens legally or what the options are?

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 04:51 PM

5. There is no way to change the ballots

Dead persons have won elections. What happens is that the VP will step in

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #5)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 04:52 PM

7. That makes the most sense.

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #5)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 04:53 PM

8. OK so the ballot cant be changed, that is what I thought and people vote for

whoever is left on the ballot, good.

Glad to know. thanks

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #5)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 04:55 PM

9. I think

This is right. The dead/missing person would win the electors and then those electors would vote for someone else available, likely the VP nominee.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 04:58 PM

11. I cant answer your question either, but that same scenario was

brought up by Jeanine Pirro on FOX yesterday after the announcement of Harris being chosen for VP contention. Of course, she was quite snide about it, inferring that this was a very likely scenario for this year's election. She needs to take a closer look at the condition of her favored candidate.

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Response to Totally Tunsie (Reply #11)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 05:01 PM

13. And nobody wonders why she just came up with that all of a sudden?

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Response to Totally Tunsie (Reply #11)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 05:15 PM

24. This is some sort of prelude to some ratfucking.

The GOP is saying Kamala is the "de facto" Democratic Presidential Candidate. They are stirring the shit, count on it. Putin is involved somehow.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 04:59 PM

12. Putin volunteers to step in and

"take care of things" while he decides what to do next......

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Response to MyOwnPeace (Reply #12)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 05:04 PM

17. I wonder if anyone not a con still thinks Putin is NOT in charge?

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 05:02 PM

14. Are you suggesting a dufus coward might drop out as October surprise?

He is dumb enough to think he can just rekindle his TV persona immediately?

That "adding me to Mount Rushmore", come on man!

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Response to Brainfodder (Reply #14)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 05:03 PM

15. Good one, no I wouldnt dare SUGGEST anything I just wanted to know the details of how

it works.

Good one though...

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #15)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 05:10 PM

21. He acted serious about Rushmore, definitely a top moment of his dumbfuckery!

In fact I hope they run a lot of ads featuring it, like:

He wants to be immortalized on Mount Rushmore..... long pause: For what Donald?

Then cut to over crowded hospital parking lots and sirens.

Show every greatest hit mega stupid thing he has uttered since taking office, it's going to be a longish ad!

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Response to Brainfodder (Reply #21)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 05:34 PM

36. Hey!

Auditions for writing for the "Lincoln Project" are two doors down on the "right!"

(Hope you get the job - good stuff!)

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 05:04 PM

16. They stay on the ballot.

Itís too late to change them at that point.

Usually, the deceased or incapacitated person loses, but occasionally they get elected. The resolution to this problem varies and is dictated by state law.

-Laelth

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Response to Laelth (Reply #16)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 05:05 PM

18. Wait, so if the P candidate is gone NO MATTER the reason, there are some states

where the ticket with the remaining person CANT win or something?

I am asking, I dont know.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #18)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 05:16 PM

25. Quite the contrary.

The dead candidate stays on the ballot, and the dead candidate can win.

This problem is usually resolved with a special election.

-Laelth

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Response to Laelth (Reply #25)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 05:19 PM

26. Great, but your answer implied it VARIES by state, so that worries the shit out of me.

I get it, to prepare for these things makes one an alarmist and the GOP says they want to make us act this way, but if we dont prepare, and we know for certain there is nothing at all they wont do, then what?

They get to have it both ways.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 05:08 PM

19. The Repukes want this speculation. See e.g., Pirro's "feeling" on Faux.

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Response to rzemanfl (Reply #19)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 05:14 PM

23. Yeah, I know...almost a no win situation if one wanted to prepare for it, isnt it.

I had not seen what she said, until a while ago, I have been talking about this for weeks.

My problem is I know for a fact there is NO Line barr wont cross, none.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #23)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 05:23 PM

28. Since we're speculating, if Putin decides he cannot save Drumpf, would/could he have him

whacked to sow chaos?

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Response to rzemanfl (Reply #28)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 05:24 PM

29. I thought it was the law that we see rump tax returns? Or the rule at least.

anyone want to list all the things the DOJ or others have done with or for rump or by rump that we all said they cant do?

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #29)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 05:25 PM

31. Did you mean to reply to my post? n/t

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Response to rzemanfl (Reply #31)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 05:27 PM

33. Yes, but I did it poorly, got distracted.

I was pointing out that NOTHING is off the table from their side including what you said, since they dont obey the law anymore, the entire GOP that is.

And putin is a murderous dictator.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #33)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 05:44 PM

39. I was busy reading the forward to Cohen's book.

Scary shit.

One hell of a roller-coaster ride we are in for, plus this fucking plague....

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 05:27 PM

32. Let's Just Hope We Won't Have To Confront Such A Situation.....nt

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Response to global1 (Reply #32)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 05:29 PM

34. Yeah, hope...sigh. I dont know if I have much left, but I needed to know, if one person is right

the 50 states decide, one vote per state and that means traitor wins.

sigh

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #34)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 06:19 PM

41. Here's some hope...

 

-

Barack and Joe Solve a Murder Mystery



It's a real book, and it may not help you a lot, but it is a fun read.

There's also a follow up book, "Hope Rides Again", that starts out with Biden complaining about the first book, but it's called, "Murder on the Amtrak Express," instead of the real title.

It's hilarious.
==============

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 05:32 PM

35. You are not voting for President. You are voting for a slate of Electors.

This indirect method of election leaves it up to those Slates of electors so the most Likely outcome is the VP nominee becomes president and She picks the Vice President before the elector's vote, maybe even before the election.

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Response to judeling (Reply #35)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 05:43 PM

38. "and She picks the Vice President before the elector's vote"

I see what you did there (and She picks) - LOVE IT!

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 05:36 PM

37. The nominee would remain on the ballot.

However, constitutionally, the electors would have to select a living person to become president. It would not default to the vice president nominee, as they were not elected president (that isn't to say the electors couldn't select the nominee, however).

What's interesting is if Trump were to pass away between the time ballots are locked in and the voting begins on election day, Mike Pence would assume the office and become president - but because he is on the ballot as the Vice Presidential nominee, he wouldn't automatically be reelected if the Trump-Pence ticket won because, again, the electors would have to choose a president at this point since there is no technical presidential candidate at this point.

It seems very likely they would turn around and vote in Pence, then he would nominate a VP who then would have to be approved by the Senate.

If it were the Democrats, and say the Biden-Harris ticket win, the Democrats likely would pick their new nominee and put it up to a vote with the electors. Reasonably, that person (and it could be Harris if they so choose), should win - but electors kind of would be free agents at this point as there is no federal law stating they have to vote a certain way.

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #37)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 05:47 PM

40. That's a good analysis. Let's wish health to our folks and imagine death to

those who deserve it.

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