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jorgevlorgan

(8,279 posts)
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 02:42 AM Aug 2020

Michael Moore on Kamala Harris




Kamala Harris! Biden could’ve swung right (Susan Rice), but he swung left. Kamala is one of the most progressive Senators in the US Senate and will, as Shaun King says, be the most progressive Vice President in the history of the United States. She is and remains one of the first co-sponsors of Bernie’s Medicare for All bill. In fact, go down the list — she checks nearly every box on Bernie’s platform: Living Wage, Choice, LGBTQ+ equality, peace, child care, etc.

It says a lot about Biden that after she rightly confronted him about race in that first debate that he held no grudge, no animosity. In fact, he might say it gave him pause and a chance to consider how his friendship with segregationist Senators might have been hurtful to people of color and that, even at this age, he can change, he can do better. As progressives, isn’t that at the core of what we stand for? Isn’t that the change we are fighting for? Our belief that America can do better and that our fellow Americans will join us in this movement for a more just and equitable society? Kamala Harris is one more step in that direction.

I’ve met her a few times and I can tell you (and you know I won’t BS you on this because I pretty much despise all politicians), she’s sincere, she has heart, she’s on our side. No, she’s not you or me. But we’re not on the ballot. WE are the movement, which in the long run is what is going to get us what we need. We keep building that movement, we will succeed. And one of our missions in 2020 is to crush Trump, reclaim the Senate and bring down the system of greed, racism, misogyny and white male privilege that gave us Trump — because that, my friends, is what has thrown us into the mad, dark hole we’re in. Our movement is on fire now, tens and tens of millions of us in the streets, at the polling sites, at home, organizing online, young people at the forefront, Black America once again saving us and forcing us to be what we say we are but never were. This is our moment.

And it is now the daughter of two immigrants, born in the last ten weeks of the Baby Boom (but seemingly with the soul of a millennial), possessing skill and smarts, a woman of color who could and did obliterate Bill Barr at a Senate hearing — she and we have a chance in 83 days to do something the entire world is desperately waiting for us to do. Good on you Joe Biden, congrats Kamala, onward!
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Michael Moore on Kamala Harris (Original Post) jorgevlorgan Aug 2020 OP
So glad you approve Michael... agingdem Aug 2020 #1
My thoughts exactly BannonsLiver Aug 2020 #2
Exactly! Nt ecstatic Aug 2020 #14
You win this discussion. gordianot Aug 2020 #16
Amen SallyHemmings Aug 2020 #22
Whew! What a relief, Michael. NurseJackie Aug 2020 #26
It won't last. Subversion is what generates wealth and influence. Hortensis Aug 2020 #27
Yup. ismnotwasm Aug 2020 #37
+1 dalton99a Aug 2020 #41
I'm trying to remember ... NanceGreggs Aug 2020 #3
We'll see what he says about Harris when she runs for President in 2024. Budi Aug 2020 #12
Interesting take by CBC StClone Aug 2020 #17
And "Canadian standards" ... NanceGreggs Aug 2020 #18
Trump called Harris a wild radical Liberal StClone Aug 2020 #46
Liberals in America would be right-center in much of Europe. Kaleva Aug 2020 #21
That's a really strange title for that article ismnotwasm Aug 2020 #39
As a Canadian, Don Pittis is an fecking wanker. Only thing arthritisR_US Aug 2020 #58
I really do not care what Moore thinks about anything Gothmog Aug 2020 #29
Yes, you do RandiFan1290 Aug 2020 #32
... betsuni Aug 2020 #36
Moore is pretty astute-he was one of the very few predicting StClone Aug 2020 #45
I disagree Gothmog Aug 2020 #49
Whatever StClone Aug 2020 #50
Moore supported Nader in 2000 Gothmog Aug 2020 #52
Good for you StClone Aug 2020 #53
I am really surprised that anyone pays attention to this person Gothmog Aug 2020 #55
Moore just came on Ari's show and I had to turn the TV off Gothmog Aug 2020 #60
Michael Moore who? Wasn't that the guy who said a vote for Gore was a vote for bush? still_one Aug 2020 #4
Since then he has supported every dem nominee. jorgevlorgan Aug 2020 #5
using negative motivation by predicting we would have a President Romney prediction still_one Aug 2020 #8
...if we do not take that possibility seriously jorgevlorgan Aug 2020 #9
...and then spent his entire career working his ass off making films and writing books about issues HotTeaBag Aug 2020 #42
I was glad he wrote this because he has been a huge Bernie person. pnwmom Aug 2020 #6
Agreed. I do think it is significant because like it or not he he has a large following jorgevlorgan Aug 2020 #7
+1. He's a Berner but not a BernieOrBuster. radius777 Aug 2020 #13
I am glad he is on board. It says a lot. We need all hands on deck. Vivienne235729 Aug 2020 #10
Notice how he avoids saying the word 'Democrat' when he's applauding one of us! Budi Aug 2020 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author HotTeaBag Aug 2020 #43
Moore's "expiration date" has come and gone....he had his run, now time for the trash bin ashredux Aug 2020 #15
Glad he's evolved from his "The worse thing that President Obama did was pave the way betsuni Aug 2020 #19
Good to see it. It may open some people's eyes.... nt Blasphemer Aug 2020 #20
I am somewhat shocked by this. honest.abe Aug 2020 #23
Not a fan but I guess many still are so I'm glad he's on board with Kamala. nt WePurrsevere Aug 2020 #24
Ahh, MM and the "windmill effect" hlthe2b Aug 2020 #25
I get he's been an ass, but he represents a group of voters Johnny2X2X Aug 2020 #28
I turn the tv off or change channels when this person is on Gothmog Aug 2020 #30
Yes, you do RandiFan1290 Aug 2020 #33
LoL Blecht Aug 2020 #35
And aren't you a little ray of sunshine. ismnotwasm Aug 2020 #40
❤️ Duncan Grant Aug 2020 #56
I just turned MSNBC off become Ari has Moore on Gothmog Aug 2020 #61
Neither Biden's nor Harris' past voting records really matter Yavin4 Aug 2020 #31
Somehow, I don't think of Kamala being in the Moore/Bernie camp as much as... kentuck Aug 2020 #34
Saw on Twitter that she voted 93% same as Bernie in 2017-2018, same as Hillary did in the senate. betsuni Aug 2020 #38
She is quite progressive. jorgevlorgan Aug 2020 #48
She is not a wild eyed leftist. Most progressives arent. jorgevlorgan Aug 2020 #47
So happy to see so many on the DU love Michael Moore. rgbecker Aug 2020 #44
Except for those who... AmyStrange Aug 2020 #51
What a relief. I've been waiting, with bated breath, for this proclamation from St. Michael. Whew! Tarheel_Dem Aug 2020 #54
Y'all loved him when he was kicking dubya's ass from here to Sunday. Duncan Grant Aug 2020 #57
Yeah. And we'd love it if he did the same to Trump kcr Aug 2020 #62
Lots of unhappy comments in that Tweet thread. References to Henry Wallace and betsuni Aug 2020 #59
Michael Moore was trending on twitter Gothmog Aug 2020 #63

gordianot

(15,233 posts)
16. You win this discussion.
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 05:04 AM
Aug 2020

He feeds the beast more than he helps. We really need to get rid of Trump.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
26. Whew! What a relief, Michael.
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 08:19 AM
Aug 2020


Whew! What a relief, Michael. Now... go fuck yourself! (You Nader-loving, Stein-loving, Dem-hating FPOS!)

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
27. It won't last. Subversion is what generates wealth and influence.
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 08:21 AM
Aug 2020

Last edited Thu Aug 13, 2020, 08:58 AM - Edit history (1)

Look at how he claimed she specifically supports Sanders's dishonestly undoable, and essentially nonexistent healthcare "plan." She backed off that for all the huge reasons that made it downright immoral to even pretend to support (a big problem for me with her then). And is going to be VP to Biden, who's far too intelligent and progressive, the real thing -- committed to providing healthcare -- to even consider it.

But here's Maher setting her and the Biden up for attacks of betrayal because she'll be working to provide universal coverage through Obamacare. .

And under President Biden and VP Harris, those whose not-secret-enough main reason for trying to destroy Obamacare was antipathy to the mainstream Democratic/Obama administration that created will just have to talk themselves into forgetting that.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
12. We'll see what he says about Harris when she runs for President in 2024.
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 03:22 AM
Aug 2020

Yup, 2024.

He'll call her a Democrat then.

StClone

(11,682 posts)
46. Trump called Harris a wild radical Liberal
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 05:08 PM
Aug 2020

When she is likely pretty much a solid moderate Democrat and we love her. I'd like to emulate some Canadian Social norms (for instance their gun culture and national medicine) otherwise it is just an interesting take by one writer from our nearest, closest neighbor.

ismnotwasm

(41,966 posts)
39. That's a really strange title for that article
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 10:17 AM
Aug 2020

It notes she is the daughter of “scholars” as thorough that would make her an elite. Says very little about her actual policies

While indeed a child of immigrants, both of Harris's parents were scholars. Her late mother, Shyamala Gopalan Harris, who was born in India, was a cancer researcher and worked as a faculty member at Montreal's McGill University for 16 years. Her father, Donald Harris, born in Jamaica, is a retired economics professor who taught at Stanford University in California, with a long list of honours. He had also been an economics fellow at Cambridge University in England


It implies she would run on conservative economic policies, without and reference to anything, other than she went to Westmount High school.

I don’t see one single thing in the article supporting the premise of the title.

Gothmog

(144,924 posts)
52. Moore supported Nader in 2000
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 08:50 PM
Aug 2020

I have no respect for Moore. I was amused and pleased that his last movie flopped at the box office. I really hate it when MSNBC has this person on and change the channel. I have no need for the views of this person.

Gothmog

(144,924 posts)
55. I am really surprised that anyone pays attention to this person
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 01:22 AM
Aug 2020

Moore has been wrong so many times that it is sad. Why pay attention to this person when he is never right on anything?

still_one

(92,061 posts)
8. using negative motivation by predicting we would have a President Romney prediction
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 03:06 AM
Aug 2020

However, I will admit at least he is positive about the Biden/Harris ticket, and that is a good thing

jorgevlorgan

(8,279 posts)
9. ...if we do not take that possibility seriously
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 03:07 AM
Aug 2020

And unfortunately he was right about Trump for the same reason.

 

HotTeaBag

(1,206 posts)
42. ...and then spent his entire career working his ass off making films and writing books about issues
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 10:27 AM
Aug 2020

Democrats and Progressives supposedly hold near and dear to our hearts - healthcare, gun control, wealth inequality etc., etc., etc.

And as you point out he also correctly predicted Trump would win the election. 'cause he um, knows what he's talking about.

My wife worked on 'Michael Moore in Trumpland' and he was FULLY committed to getting her elected.

pnwmom

(108,955 posts)
6. I was glad he wrote this because he has been a huge Bernie person.
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 03:03 AM
Aug 2020

I hope Bernie's supporters listen to Michael.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
13. +1. He's a Berner but not a BernieOrBuster.
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 03:58 AM
Aug 2020

Moore predicted Trump would win in 2016 but did fully support Hillary in the GE and was visibly upset on that terrible election night like the rest of us.

IIRC, Moore's only time voting 3rd party was in 2000, and has voted for the Dem in the GE every time since.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
11. Notice how he avoids saying the word 'Democrat' when he's applauding one of us!
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 03:18 AM
Aug 2020

Ha.. he's so obvious, he's become irrelevant.

Response to Budi (Reply #11)

betsuni

(25,380 posts)
19. Glad he's evolved from his "The worse thing that President Obama did was pave the way
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 05:46 AM
Aug 2020

for President Trump" and "... the old guard of the Democratic Party is a greater roadblock to social progress than Trump is" days. The capitalization of the word SENATOR insinuates that her past as NOT SENATOR is questionable though.

hlthe2b

(102,130 posts)
25. Ahh, MM and the "windmill effect"
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 08:16 AM
Aug 2020

Moore has been all over the map the past several years. So, I guess we should merely check what direction the wind is blowing before reading him.

Johnny2X2X

(18,973 posts)
28. I get he's been an ass, but he represents a group of voters
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 08:27 AM
Aug 2020

Michael Moore is hated here and rightly so, but he does have his finger on the pulse of a certain segment of voters that we need this Fall. Kamala can appeal to blue color voters.

Glad Moore is on board, he'll help with Bernie supporters and with a small segment of Trump voters looking for something better.

Yavin4

(35,421 posts)
31. Neither Biden's nor Harris' past voting records really matter
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 08:39 AM
Aug 2020

To be successful Presidents have to govern within the context of the current times, not 1986. Roosevelt came up with the New Deal in order to respond to the Great Depression.

kentuck

(111,052 posts)
34. Somehow, I don't think of Kamala being in the Moore/Bernie camp as much as...
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 08:57 AM
Aug 2020

...a moderate that believes in sensible legislation. Although she may support the issues Moore delineated, that does not make her a wild-eyed leftist.

Just my opinion.

betsuni

(25,380 posts)
38. Saw on Twitter that she voted 93% same as Bernie in 2017-2018, same as Hillary did in the senate.
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 10:13 AM
Aug 2020

Yet she's been described as centrist/moderate and far left.

rgbecker

(4,820 posts)
44. So happy to see so many on the DU love Michael Moore.
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 11:05 AM
Aug 2020

And express their feelings so clearly. We are all really finally coming together to defeat Trump!

Duncan Grant

(8,260 posts)
57. Y'all loved him when he was kicking dubya's ass from here to Sunday.
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 01:40 AM
Aug 2020

Sometimes this place reminds me why I don’t like this place. He is singing her praises for God sake. Sigh.

Reading for comprehension. Try it.

betsuni

(25,380 posts)
59. Lots of unhappy comments in that Tweet thread. References to Henry Wallace and
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 02:29 AM
Aug 2020

and usual "cop" stuff and that Harris wasn't sufficiently faithful to one version of universal health care (the three magic words of Medicare for All).

I really wish people like Michael Moore and Cenk Uygur and other public figures think hard about what they say about the Democratic Party in future. They spend years telling their audiences that it's the same as Republicans, their candidates bad, not progressive, corrupt, bribed by corporations and wealthy donors and Wall Street. Then as the election nears they urge them to vote for Democrats. Naturally this is confusing. It only adds to cynicism and conspiracies that their "speak truth to power" heroes have been forced by dark powers to now support Democrats. MM told them that Democratic primaries are rigged, Democrats take bribes, the Flint water crisis was President Obama's fault, that Democrats are the true roadblock to progress more than Trump.

Maybe MM and Cenk and others think of it as just show business or politics and don't believe all the lies they tell about Democrats. But the audience trusts them. I don't know how they sleep at night.

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