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Sat Aug 8, 2020, 01:32 PM

I am a retired postal manager

I managed large metropolitan area operations overseeing more than 150 employees daily and delivering mail to tens of thousands of customers.

I spent countless sleepless nights and 12-hour-plus workdays getting the mail out in the face of incessant obstacles. Ultimately, daily I met the goal on schedule and reliably living by our motto: Every piece every day.

To hear that Trump’s guy has dismantled in just two months what I and many devoted decades to is alarming. After seeing my own mail slow down I talked to former coworkers/friends. In TX, a postmaster says her boss calls Trump’s guy Dejoy, “a business man”. A former supervisor I talked to parrots the same phrase. Many have no idea of the political ramifications of this appointment.

(The USPS is a cash cow. If destroyed, billions have been set aside 75 years in advance of retirements of 500,000 employees. This could easily fall into Republican hands. Dejoy just added $10 billion more debt in the last two weeks making them even more vulnerable and destroying one of the largest unions in America if destruction succeeds.)

Then, I read that million-dollar machines that sort 36,000 pieces of mail per hour are being turned off now in favor of manual labor. And I am floored. It’s like a bank removing all ATMS and insisting that all money be counted by hand. It’s not hard to see that cutting down automation will increase the manual workload a hundred fold—but simultaneously cutting overtime reduces the man hours needed for the quadrupled manual workload. There’s not enough square footage to house the impending backup of mail that will result from these “business“ decisions.

I have spent most of the year telling everybody I know to plan to vote by mail — until May when I first heard about Trump’s appointment.

I will not be voting by mail now. It’s a huge loss of revenue for the Postal Service if I, and many others don’t vote by mail. I don’t want to hurt the Postal Service but I care more about not hurting America with a too-risky vote. I do suggest, however, continuing to patronize them in every possible way whether you mail your vote or not.

All I know is that I hope that we can quickly regroup and rethink how we plan to GOTV under these new circumstances.

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Reply I am a retired postal manager (Original post)
live love laugh Aug 2020 OP
soothsayer Aug 2020 #1
live love laugh Aug 2020 #25
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BComplex Aug 2020 #13
judesedit Aug 2020 #58
True Blue American Aug 2020 #91
judesedit Aug 2020 #102
live love laugh Aug 2020 #27
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we can do it Aug 2020 #9
live love laugh Aug 2020 #28
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Hortensis Aug 2020 #22
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we can do it Aug 2020 #37
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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 01:41 PM

1. Hey I ran those OCRs and BCSs for a time

That’s just nuts. I mean, there were times we shut down our optical character readers and barcode sorters so the LSMs (higher paid people who keyed by hand) could meet their numbers, but it didn’t delay anything.

I thought Runyon was bad. This guy’s just... criminal.

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Response to soothsayer (Reply #1)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 02:07 PM

25. Hi 👋🏼

to an alum

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 01:42 PM

2. Would it be impossible to create a special shadow post office to collect ballots only

so they can be delivered to the Democratic campaign office or election office? It just has to be a designated drop off point. These are extraordinary times calling for extraordinary measures. We must confront this now. There are many employees who have been let go and many who are relying on their retirement package. They are being screwed. Many would probably jump at the chance to help with this.

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Response to judesedit (Reply #2)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 01:48 PM

13. That would be a good idea. I don't know how they'd pull it off.

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Response to BComplex (Reply #13)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 03:52 PM

58. It could be classified as an emergency situation. The drop off places would be completely legitimate

for ballots only under these circumstances, free, no stamps needed, and spread around town in popular areas. The locked boxes of ballots would be delivered directly to the authorities that can assure our votes will be counted. I'm convinced this can be done, but we have to start now. There are many people out of work who would be happy to man the boxes and drive them to the correct offices to assure their vote to oust Drumpf is counted. These would have to be registered democrats. And a buddy system would have to be used for confirmation of following proper procedures. They can even be armed if necessary. It doesn't have to be obvious. Don't heavily advertise it. Word of mouth is the best way anyway.

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Response to judesedit (Reply #58)

Sun Aug 9, 2020, 05:06 AM

91. Put them in front of Precincts

Make it easy for the voter. Sealed and protected, of course.

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Response to True Blue American (Reply #91)

Sat Aug 15, 2020, 03:52 PM

102. That's a great idea, actually.

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Response to judesedit (Reply #2)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 02:09 PM

27. I don't see that happening. The law prohibits private delivery

of mail — not packages— mail.

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Response to live love laugh (Reply #27)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 03:57 PM

59. This will not be mail. This will be a specially designated process for ballots only going from

Point A to Point B. The boxes will be locked with no access to open by anyone but officials assigned to accept them.

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Response to judesedit (Reply #2)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 02:17 PM

35. Verboten-- that's what Drumpf's crook wants permanently -- but DO read The Crying of Lot 49

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 01:42 PM

3. Ghastly What they are doing! What can we do?



Anything besides calling my congressman?
Can I repost this?

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Response to flying_wahini (Reply #3)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 01:46 PM

9. Call all of your government reps, all the way down to city council and mayors.

Stay on it. Don't rest until this shit stops.

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Response to flying_wahini (Reply #3)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 02:10 PM

28. Congress is already involved. Hopefully they can do something. nt

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Response to flying_wahini (Reply #3)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 05:27 PM

64. How about governors mobilizing their national guard units to man collection points,

deliver, and oversee the counting of ballots?

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Response to TryLogic (Reply #64)

Sun Aug 9, 2020, 12:16 AM

86. Yes, my idea too. I remember the NG delivering during a strike.

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Response to flying_wahini (Reply #3)

Sun Aug 9, 2020, 06:25 AM

95. boycott his moneymakers? UPS? according to quick search and wiki

DeJoy is the first postmaster in two decades without prior experience in the United States Postal Service.[14] DeJoy's appointment was controversial because DeJoy and his wife have assets between $30.1 million and $75.3 million in USPS competitors or contractors, such as UPS and trucking company J.B. Hunt.[15][16]


if the guy is an ayn randian POS fascist asshole ayn randian dittohead who has been listening to limbaugh for 30 years attacking the USPS to defund and privatize the USPS to help UPS, FED EX, and the COC destroy every union then maybe show him there are consequences?

they might just buy another stock, but a lot of their friends might not like it

getting down to it, what if trump thinks this is good for buying into UPS?

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 01:43 PM

4. Thank you for the awful warning.

Let us know what else you learn, and any tips for action you may have.

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 01:44 PM

5. K&R

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 01:45 PM

6. Kick

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 01:46 PM

7. It's a scheme to destroy the Postal Service

Also aimed at helping Trump in the election.

This is blatantly obvious.

DeJoy has to be removed; can he be impeached?

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Response to Martin Eden (Reply #7)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 01:49 PM

14. +1. Clearly premeditated.

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Response to Martin Eden (Reply #7)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 02:11 PM

30. It's part of a broader push to create a Feudal Nation. n/t

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Response to MarcA (Reply #30)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 04:32 PM

62. +1000

A return to feudalism is their dearest wish.





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Response to Martin Eden (Reply #7)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 02:14 PM

33. From ballotpedia:


“Though the Constitution does not define who constitutes a civil officer, Congress has exercised its power to impeach three presidents, one senator, one cabinet official, and 15 federal judges; of these, only eight individuals—all federal judges—were convicted on the charges of impeachment and removed from office.[1]”

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Response to Martin Eden (Reply #7)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 02:23 PM

36. Also aimed

at destroying yet ANOTHER piece of the Constitution, since it the USPS was clearly written into the constitution.

This whole Trump/RepubliCON CABAL is an extremely well orchestrated, organized, and executed coup......

ME: There is no Fed Group or Organization for us to turn to....they have obliterated all of them these past three years....

The entire RepubliCON party is one millimeter away from their objective: A Corporate Fascist Tyranny........
A government owned and operated by the 1% and their vast group of minions.........

Hey people, we are past the "Point of No Return".............WASF

Dig in now people, it is about to get really really really horrific..............especially for our kids and grandkids......

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 01:46 PM

8. Many states have drop boxes, use them. If mail is delayed in October, then some may have

to vote in-person. Others need to try mail, requesting ballots as early as possible and mailing it back immediately if drop boxes aren't available. Then, check on-line to see if it was recieved.

One reason I don't fully believe the stuff about the post office trying to delay ballots is that GOPers vote by mail too. I think we are spreading BS that might affect turnout.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #8)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 01:48 PM

12. YES. Everyone that can drop off your ballot at board of elections or whatever your option is.

Vote as early as possible and drop off as early as possible.

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Response to we can do it (Reply #12)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 02:04 PM

22. Exactly. Our new plan is to personally pick up, fill out in the car,

and then return our applications for absentee ballots. We'll do this next week. We will personally deliver the ballots themselves to the county office we'd normally have mailed them to.

IF the absentee ballots we requested don't arrive (this is GA), we will vote early in person. Until the election thieves change the law, always possible here, people are entitled to vote in person even if they've requested and (should have) received an absentee ballot.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #22)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 02:16 PM

34. That's not an option for me.

My City Hall is closed for business. Everything has to be done online. And, because I have been staying with a friend in another town, my application for an absentee ballot will not be forwarded to me. It looks as though I will need to vote in person on Election day, both in the Primary and in the General Election.

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Response to bluescribbler (Reply #34)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 02:24 PM

37. Does your area have in person early voting?

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Response to bluescribbler (Reply #34)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 02:28 PM

41. Tens of millions of other voters live in the 34 states that allow, or require,

mail in voting. Some other states have already announced or will announce mail voting changes before November. Just keep up to date and do whatever works in your area to vote.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #41)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 03:17 PM

52. "Just keep up to date." Our state ACLU sites are good

places for that, and of course our county party offices. I like the ACLU site (even though I'm sometimes one of the people on phones at our party headquarters ) because the answers are written out very clearly and hopefully complete.

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Response to bluescribbler (Reply #34)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 03:13 PM

50. I hope your lines won't be too bad. GA allows a few days of

early voting, which i presume will be busy this time, but mornings of weekdays usually have mostly retirement-age people, who I presume will tend to be careful.

Reminds me to check our state ACLU website. They always have a lot of detailed information. I could also use tips and strategies from those who've been there on doing long lines. Just in case. I'm not decrepit elderly, but I can't take heat, UV, etc.

Whatever it takes, I'll be voting too. Best wishes on all this.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #8)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 02:13 PM

32. You don't know what their plan is Hoyt, nor what their maths show would happen to their chances

Should they execute that plan.

Will they go so far as to slow down the mail down specifically in Dem areas of key battleground states? What/Who is going to stop them from doing that?

Will they go so far as to have people reading the names on the outside of ballots and comparing them to the voter rolls and 'losing' the ballots of Democrats?

If nobody does anything about the early steps happening right now ... Trump will push it further and further ... we know this about him.

We should put absolutely NOTHING past this cabal.

Barr and Senate Pukes will hold this regime accountable for NOTHING they do.

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #32)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 02:25 PM

39. Yeah, your line postal employees are going to read names/zips on

ballots and throw them in trash or something, and no one is going to say anything.

GOTV, and let Democratic Election Observers do their job, rather than spreading crud that will keep people from voting.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #39)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 02:31 PM

43. I admit that is taking things to the point of paranoia ...

But purposefully slowing shit down on orders from the top in Democratic Strongholds in swing states?

That doesn't sound at all implausible with this gang.

Point is ... who knows how far they're willing to take this scam. They almost surely have plans to avoid hurting their own chances.

The timing of what's going on here w/DeJoy is WAAAAAY too suspect to think there's not a plan afoot.

Nobody here is going to not vote because of my 'crud' ... I'm not on CNN.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #8)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 10:10 PM

81. Is your mail being delayed

at the moment? I live in a blue state and it most definitely IS.

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Response to shanti (Reply #81)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 10:27 PM

82. Nope. You know there is a pandemic going on, people staying out of

work, etc.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #82)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 10:56 PM

84. It's only been during the last month

after DeJoy was installed. It was fine before that. I have Informed Delivery and it is very screwed up now, basically useless. I'm still waiting for a package from Denver that I ordered on July 18. Portland, Sacramento, Phoenix - long waits. That's my reality, and the reality for many of us on the West Coast.

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Response to shanti (Reply #81)

Sun Aug 9, 2020, 05:18 AM

93. Houston here.

Prescription meds almost a week late. Has never happened before.

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Response to shanti (Reply #81)

Sun Aug 9, 2020, 11:43 AM

99. My mail has been arriving in a timely manner.

However, a couple of packages I sent last month took a few days longer than they should have.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #8)

Sun Aug 9, 2020, 02:55 AM

90. I've heard that a greater percentage of Republicans plan to NOT vote by mail.

Don't recall where I heard that. It's probably related to their higher rates of disbelief that COVID is a problem, so they're not "hiding" at home anyway.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #8)

Sun Aug 9, 2020, 05:10 AM

92. We have a drop box in front of the BOE.

Also the main postoffice stayed open on election night so people could make sure they are postmarked.

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 01:46 PM

10. Thanks for this thoughtful post, live - and oh how galling it is for you to hear of this treachery

Hang tough, maybe somehow America can rescue this ESSENTIAL SERVICE, maybe maybe

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 01:47 PM

11. May we repost this publicly?

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Response to elleng (Reply #11)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 02:02 PM

20. Yes

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Response to live love laugh (Reply #20)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 02:07 PM

24. Done.

Thanks

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 01:52 PM

15. You join the ranks of DOJ employees, State Dept employees, Public Health workers, esp at CDC

and all the other once lauded Federal employees and agencies being systematically destroyed by this madman. In less than 4 years!

It is so depressing, I scarcely know where to focus.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #15)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 04:25 PM

61. Critical reminder of the destruction & pain in 4 yrs

to the crush government, employees and the nation.

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 01:53 PM

16. That 'largest unions in America' is what they want USPS privatized or destroyed for

They want to get rid of that union. Teacher's unions, postal worker's unions - the largest ones - Republicans want to get rid of even if it means destroying the public school system or USPS.

This is a BIG win for them if they can destroy it.

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Response to CousinIT (Reply #16)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 03:25 PM

53. THEY will do EVERYTHING you stated! EVEN if

Families lose their kids life in school!! There has to be a way to STOP THEM!

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 01:54 PM

17. It's an outrage really. Are there no delivery metrics that have to be published by law?

If the before and after of the Trumpie stooge's takeover shows a slowdown, then that's a big story. I noticed one of my monthly pieces of mail arrived a couple of days late this month, but that's just anecdotal. The Post Office ought to have some kind of official reports available to the public. Surely Congress can get them.

What a game Trump and his accessory could be playing! They put down mail-in voting while, at the same time, they sabotage it. Later, they'll say, "See, we told you it was no good!"

It's like Republicans repeatedly tripping an EMT running to a heart attack victim and blaming the EMT for the death.

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 02:00 PM

18. thank you for your firsthand account

I didn't know it was a cash cow - no wonder they're bent on destroying it. That, and Putin can't tamper with mailed paper ballots.

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 02:00 PM

19. Trump is dismantling every institution Americans built and are proud of.

Trump hates everyone and everything. I think he hates himself, too. Only Ivanka is worthy, in Trump’s eyes.

Thanks for your career work, it is not forgotten. We are probably going to vote in person, too.

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Response to Baked Potato (Reply #19)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 02:06 PM

23. REPUBLICANS are dismantling every institution Americans built and are proud of.

He's not doing this all by himself.

He has a support system, and its alias is "GOP".

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Response to JHB (Reply #23)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 02:08 PM

26. YES! Agreed! Thanks for the reminder!

Republicans have to be tied to him.

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Response to JHB (Reply #23)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 02:25 PM

38. +1. They are his co-conspirators and accomplices.



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Response to JHB (Reply #23)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 05:37 PM

65. This has been the GOP plan since Reagan.

They've been chipping away at American institutions bit by bit every time a Republican is president. The GOP has two goals: (1) transfer as money from the lower 98% of taxpayers (and thereby claim there's not enough money in the treasury for anything but military weaponry, which is a bottomless pit) to the top 2%; and (2) roll back the governmental structure to June 20. 1788. This was the day before the Constitution became the official framework of the government of the United States of America when New Hampshire became the ninth of 13 states to ratify it.

Until that day the United States could take any shape the rich white men in the Continental Congress could pressure the other members to accept their warped version of the document. First of all, eliminate the Bill of Rights and the ability to amend the document.

Article 1, Section1 would state: "The ownership of a firearm or weapon of any size is sacrosanct.

Article 1, Section2: The official religion of the United States is Christianiy. The official language of the country is English.

Article 1, Section 2a: The purpose of the United States is to make a profit.

Artice1, Section 3: A citizen is defined as a white land owning male. Only citizens may vote.

Article 2, Section 1. The government will be divided into two entities: (1) An Executive Branch, which has unlimited powers, and (2) a Legislative Branch, whose purpose is to collect taxes and make the revenues available to the Executive Branch, as directed.

Article 3, Section 1. No person or entity may criticize or investigate any political body, nor elected or appointed person for fear of fines and imprisonment.

Article 3, Section 2. Any person attempting to enter the country illegally shall be summarily executed.

Article 3, Section 3. Any public gathering for non-patriotic purposes shall be considered a terrorist activity, and lethal force is authorized to disperse and dominate such activity.

Article 4. The president will hold his position for life.

As Benjamin Franklin said when asked what kind of government had been created, he simply replied, "We're fucked."

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Response to LastLiberal in PalmSprings (Reply #65)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 06:01 PM

66. I'll refine that further: Since Movement Conservatives took over the party...

...and went about eliminating opposition within the party to their agenda.

After all, who leads the "Rockefeller Republican" faction these days? Nobody. It's gone and has no successors. It was wiped out. Even GOP "moderates" are inclined to jeer at the RRs and treat them as quislings for accepting the basic New Deal framework, even in the more limited form they (the RRs) preferred.

They are relentless in pushing an absolutist agenda. When they can, they grab with both hands and push as far as they can get even with the thinnest of margins. When they lose that margin, they go on full defense and battle to the death over every inch of ground, policywise. And they have billionaire backers and a "leaderless" media machine to help them.

It's no wpnder so many of them admire the Bolsheviks. Not ideology, of course, but the tactics and strategy. Take over the institutions and purge dissenters and backsliders.

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 02:03 PM

21. Public unions like the usps are largely responsible for creating the middle class

and giving POC an opportunity for wage parity.

The GOP has been chipping away at it for 15 years. The end goals for them are 1) destroying a large public union whose members vote mostly Dem, and 2) letting their cronies get their hands on the pension funds that they've been fattening like a Thanksgiving turkey waiting for this day to come.

I hope there's something left to salvage among the rubble when Biden takes over. And I also hope it's one of his priorities and not kicked down the road like it has been for far too long.

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 02:11 PM

29. Joe will fix the PO problem once he's elected. But we have to get him elected. Vote in person.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #29)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 02:31 PM

42. And pray you don't catch the COVID.

Seems to put the “elective” into elections.

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Reply #42)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 04:54 PM

63. Plan it now. Get a face shield and an N95 mask. Do it now, so you have it when November

comes along.

And vote early if you can. Those lines are usually shorter.

We go to the grocery store. We take the necessary precautions when we do. This is more important.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #63)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 08:33 PM

76. Agree 100%.

Be prepared. Every voter who can, must vote.

The pukes here in Michigan have gamed the system for a long time. In my town, they announced new polling places days before the primary. The card arrived the day before the election.

The money behind them, Amway DeVos and Koch Bros types. They, and Putin, really are getting their money’s worth.

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Reply #76)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 08:44 PM

77. And you are essential! We need Michigan so badly. We need to overcome their cheating as

much as we can. I am in NY. No way would I miss the chance to vote Donny Bodybags out (I have dreams about voting), but my vote is nowhere near as essential as yours.

Good luck. Let us know how it goes.

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 02:12 PM

31. Still: Vote by Mail

Get your ballot mailed to you. Early voting begins 10/5 (AZ).

Drop your completed ballot of at a designated place !

Easy La Peasy ! ! ! !

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Response to Gilbert Moore (Reply #31)

Sun Aug 9, 2020, 01:23 AM

88. In Texas mail-in ballots are mailed out on Sept. 19.

Early voting has been extended an extra six days to begin on Oct. 13. My husband and I are both over 65 so signed up to vote by mail in the primary run-off. But the post office difficulties are tricky.

The League of Women Voters of Texas strongly advocates for voting by mail if at all possible (the president is a public health nurse) and joined an unsuccessful lawsuit to expand mail-in voting to every voter.

So far they continue to advocate voting by mail. But we are all following the problems with the post office. I'd heard about the sorting machines being ordered turned off before but thought surely that's an anomaly.

My husband wants to go back to voting in person, going early at an off time. I follow Jenny Cohn on Twitter. She believes one desired impact of the uncertainty about the mail is to cause more to vote in person. Russian activities in 2016 shows they may have penetrated many electronic voting systems. She recommends the paper trail of voting by mail.

If we do that but don't want to put our ballot in the mail, we'd have to drive the ballots to the county seat to the Elections Administrators office, go through security, and drop them off during their 8-5 business hours. Can't deliver to polling places or drop off boxes anywhere.

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 02:27 PM

40. Thank you for bringing this public, live love laugh.

K&R

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Response to brer cat (Reply #40)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 02:47 PM

44. You're welcome

I struggled with making this public but it is super important.

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Response to live love laugh (Reply #44)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 06:34 PM

70. Glad you posted.

Definitely. Important perspective.

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 02:50 PM

45. Trump will do anything to win in 2020!

Anything!

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 02:53 PM

46. Thank you for your years of dedicated service, and

for this superb post.

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 02:57 PM

47. Thank you for your service.

I was surprised this week when I received an Absentee Ballot Request form for the Nov. 3 election. I have never voted by mail and did not request any ballot form. I'm currently in a purple state and the governor is a Trump buttkisser. Maybe I'm too paranoid but it raised my suspicion that pushing mail-in ballots and then slowing down the mail may be a voter suppression scheme. I suppose the Dumpsters could be trying to use reverse psychology or something, presuming that if Dumpy hates mail-in ballots then a lot of people who don't like him will go out of their way to use them--and their votes won't get counted.

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Response to moondust (Reply #47)

Sun Aug 9, 2020, 12:36 AM

87. your state Democratic party may be sending those out..The Texas party does

Every January to anyone who can be identified as a Democrat. This is our 4th election cycle doing this and it has increased our mail in ballot numbers.

Kentucky sent vote by mail applications to every registered voter before their primary in July. They had the highest mail in numbers they have ever had. In fact the turnout in that primary was the 2nd highest they have ever had for a primary.

Is it possible your state is sending VBM applications to everyone who isn't already using them so they can receive the ballot & not need to vote in person? This would relieve folks who do not want to risk the virus from having to go to the polls and reduce the number of election workers needed

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Response to yellowdogintexas (Reply #87)

Sun Aug 9, 2020, 01:35 AM

89. I don't know who sent it or why.

It could be on the level and nonpartisan. The form has no mention of any political party.

Like so many others I'm deeply concerned when shortly before an election a desperate con man wannabe dictator-for-life and his toadies start monkeying with a core institution that plays an important role in the balloting that decides the outcome. Potentially making things even worse is that one of his buttkissers is squatting in the governor's mansion and may have some control over ballots.

I'd like to know how many Republican voters received the unsolicited ballot request form. If mainly Democratic voters received them then my suspicion of targeted suppression of mail-in ballots is probably not going to quietly fade away.

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 03:03 PM

48. Benjamin Franklin was appointed our first Postmaster General in 1775

Wrap your head around that. The postal service was a national institution before the United Stated even existed as an independent nation. It has been a source of pride and a model of efficiency for centuries. It had endured through every war, ever recession, a great depression, and numerous pandemics and natural disasters. That all ended this year because of one feckless pestilent dim-witted child who had to politicize and sabotage it in a vain attempt to alter his zero chances at being re-elected.

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Response to Dukkha (Reply #48)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 03:14 PM

51. +1

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 03:03 PM

49. IANAL, but I'm told that in NM, once you've requested a mail-in ballot

you cannot vote in person. So, if your requested ballot doesn’t arrive in time to be returned in person, no less mailed, you can’t vote. It’s made me rethink my voting plan and make adjustments to my husband’s in California. I think I will vote early in order to avoid USPS. My husband is a permanent vote-by-mail voter in California. Because he works from home in New Mexico due to COVID, we’ll Fedex overnight his unvoted ballot to NM, he’ll vote, we'll Fedex overnight it to his daughter in California for return to our City Clerk’s office. That, or knee replacement or not, he’ll go to our NM MVD and become a NM resident.

I want DeJoy prosecuted.

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Response to BadgerMom (Reply #49)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 09:56 PM

80. Check with your election board or

Registrar of voters, Secretary of State - which ever agency handles ballots.

In California, you can vote in person if you take your vote by mail ballot to the polling place and surrender it to the polling place captain.

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 03:33 PM

54. We are living a never-ending nightmare

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 03:36 PM

55. I am in California, and I will be voting early, and by mail. In California you can check the status

of your ballot, and if it has been counted online

not sure if other states have this or not

Regardless whether one chooses to vote by mail or not, I would strongly encourage everyone to vote early


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Response to still_one (Reply #55)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 06:27 PM

67. In Colorado we have universal mail-in voting.

We have for about ten years now. But we have the option of dropping it off at the County Clerk's office (which is what we do), and we get email that it has been counted. Works great...as long as the ballot arrives in the mail.

I agree that DeJoy should be prosecuted. And the orange menace should be exiled to Russia with his whole family.

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Response to kag (Reply #67)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 08:18 PM

75. That is excellent

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 03:43 PM

56. I've been railing against in terms of veterans

120 million vets get prescription medicine sent to them by the VA to the tune of 330,000 packages a day. How is this slowdown affecting them?

TlalocW

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Response to TlalocW (Reply #56)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 09:02 PM

79. I've commented on this

In other posts I've mentioned that my husband gets his medicines from the VA via mail. At least twice in the past couple of months his prescriptions have not arrived when expected and he was within a day or two of being out of meds. He called the VA and after some phone tag was able to go to the facility in person to get enough to tide him over until the usual refill arrived. We are lucky in that we only live 5 miles from the VA, so it's not a big problem for him. But there are so many others that live dozens or far more away and don't have that option to just run over and pick the drugs up.

And because I have an app that allows mail tracking, I can see that the order is sitting at 'a facility in LA' for days and days before it starts moving on it's way towards us again. Delivery used to be within a few days of the order going in. So many people are getting screwed by this new scheme, and not just by being inconvenienced, some of these are life and death medications that are needed.

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 03:50 PM

57. The closer we get to the election the more of America will be destroyed..

Trump will do anything at all, no matter how many people it kills or how it damages the future for us and our children, in order to remain in power.

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 04:09 PM

60. DeJoy owns $75 million in assets in USPS competitors stocks

Louis DeJoy and his wife, Aldona Wos, whom Trump has nominated to become ambassador to Canada, own between $30.1 million and $75.3 million of assets in competitors to the USPS. He owns a lot of stock in UPS and other delivery services.

Trump, shortly after taking office called for the privatization of the USPS.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_DeJoy

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Response to lunatica (Reply #60)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 06:30 PM

68. Once Biden is in office, and we have the senate back.

We need to legally shore up the USPS. Including the union.

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 06:31 PM

69. I'm able to personally deliver my "mail-in" ballot to the court house

 

I'm wondering if that's the way that it is all over the country. I'm able to hand deliver my ballot early - before election day. Is my situation unique, or is this common?

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Response to mac2766 (Reply #69)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 10:30 PM

83. Very common. We can make sure our votes arrive. Now, what happens after

that, who knows. We’ll have to depend on election observers.

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 06:49 PM

71. This is ironic in my case...

I only use the mail to pay bills since I do not trust auto-payment. I trust the USPS. I did the same thing with taking my paychecks to the bank myself (only two people on the staff did this but I refused to give in). Now they are saying I shouldn't trust the mail, so am I supposed to suddenly do all my bill paying on-line? NO! I will not allow the fucking moron to change what has worked for me my whole life....using the USPS!!!!!!

FUCK tRUMP!

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #71)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 08:13 PM

74. It's still working just expect delays ... the full extent of which

remain to be seen.

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 06:49 PM

72. This is ironic in my case...

I only use the mail to pay bills since I do not trust auto-payment. I trust the USPS. I did the same thing with taking my paychecks to the bank myself (only two people on the staff did this but I refused to give in). Now they are saying I shouldn't trust the mail, so am I supposed to suddenly do all my bill paying on-line? NO! I will not allow the fucking moron to change what has worked for me my whole life....using the USPS!!!!!!

FUCK tRUMP!

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 07:12 PM

73. Democratic Presidents and Congress Dems can't seem to say "The republicans" they say congress or

my 'friends across the isle". they need some Sarah Coopers help. I would love to see the Dems use the word The republicans like trump and other republicans Say 'the Democrats" that would help the low information voters.

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2020, 08:55 PM

78. I will hand deliver My absentee Ballott to the Board of elections...

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Sun Aug 9, 2020, 12:14 AM

85. Could states declare an emergency, call in the National Guard to make sure the mail is delivered?

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Sun Aug 9, 2020, 08:47 AM

96. Frustrating as hell. My son is asking about mailing in ballots,

and when I told him we might have to do early voting on the machines, he blew up. He doesn't trust the machines, even though we finally have paper receipts (still not unhackable, though).

Just the process of voting will get ugly.

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Sun Aug 9, 2020, 10:07 AM

97. I hate Trump and the entire GOP and these phucking, greedy billionaires

who didn't get enough of mother's milk. Phuck them all.

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Sun Aug 9, 2020, 10:46 AM

98. It's Ghastly. It all is.

My late Mother was a small town Postmaster for over 30 yrs. She would be sickened and outraged at these treacherous attacks on her Postal Service!!

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Sun Aug 9, 2020, 12:01 PM

100. Obviously deliberate

It's clearly a case of political sabotage as well as part for a long-standing effort to privatize as much as possible in the public sector.

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Sun Aug 9, 2020, 07:42 PM

101. Turned off the sorting machines. During the pandemic and ahead of the election.

Postal workers possibly not knowing of the political motivations behind such? Just pawns in the pResident’s sick game?



I’m going to print out some loud-assed postcards that approximately read:

Tell tRump to quit fiddling with the mail to steal the election.

On the flip side: Every postal worker that becomes ill or dies from COVID should sue tRump, postmaster dejoy, and any lawmaker that supports him for reckless endangerment.

That includes, you, _____________, for willfully enabling the pResident’s unlawful disregard for Americans’ lives, elections, and postal service.

___
Then, I will slap a 60¢ first class tiger or Gwen Ifill forever stamp on it, write in one of three terrible republicon names on the blank in bright Sharpie and mail it from the red outer reaches of my district.

Some phone calls to offices, discussions with family, and I don’t know what else, yet. Gotta do something.

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