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Sun Aug 2, 2020, 12:59 PM

The CDC Now Says This Might Play an "Important Role" in COVID Transmission

Just as the national debate about reopening schools in the fall heats up, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has released an important piece of information about how coronavirus is likely transmitted—and it could give many parents and educators pause. The health authority announced this week that "contrary to early reports" suggesting that children were largely unaffected by the virus, kids getting coronavirus may in fact "play an important role in transmission."

The CDC's study centered on a superspreader event that took place among attendees of a sleep away camp in Georgia this July. Despite the camp utilizing several strategies for limiting COVID transmission (including social distancing, a mask policy for staff, and small-group cohorting) it took just one week for the virus to spread throughout the camp population, and for the camp itself to shut down.

Out of the 597 campers (who had a median age of 12), test results were available for 344 individuals or 58 percent of the camp population. Of those tested, 260 were found to have coronavirus—a positive test rate of 76 percent. As the study concluded, "These findings demonstrate that SARS-CoV-2 spread efficiently in a youth-centric overnight setting, resulting in high attack rates among persons in all age groups, despite efforts by camp officials to implement most recommended strategies to prevent transmission."

While a sleep away camp poses particular challenges that schools and other social settings may not face, the outbreak has certainly raised alarm bells for medical professionals, parents, and educators alike. Andrew Noymer, an epidemiologist at the University of California at Irvine, recently told The Washington Post, "This is a significant weight added to the side of the scale that says close the schools. It's solid evidence to suggest we should be extremely cautious about opening schools."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-cdc-now-says-this-might-play-an-important-role-in-covid-transmission/ar-BB17tOsW?li=BBnb7Kz

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Reply The CDC Now Says This Might Play an "Important Role" in COVID Transmission (Original post)
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2 OP
yardwork Aug 2 #1
Faux pas Aug 2 #2
ananda Aug 2 #20
Roy Rolling Aug 2 #27
Rebl2 Aug 2 #31
Trueblue Texan Aug 2 #32
Jamastiene Aug 2 #37
lastlib Aug 2 #34
dweller Aug 2 #3
Arkansas Granny Aug 2 #4
leftyladyfrommo Aug 2 #6
Yavin4 Aug 2 #16
Arkansas Granny Aug 2 #33
Shermann Aug 2 #5
IllinoisBirdWatcher Aug 2 #9
boston bean Aug 2 #7
lindysalsagal Aug 2 #8
Iggo Aug 2 #10
Pluvious Aug 2 #19
d_r Aug 2 #11
crickets Aug 2 #17
TheRickles Aug 2 #12
Tetrachloride Aug 2 #13
Shermann Aug 2 #15
klook Aug 2 #22
Jamastiene Aug 2 #39
Ponietz Aug 2 #14
Kablooie Aug 2 #18
MerryBlooms Aug 2 #21
Generic Brad Aug 2 #25
MerryBlooms Aug 2 #28
Towlie Aug 2 #23
ProfessorGAC Aug 5 #42
rainin Aug 2 #24
Botany Aug 2 #26
Danascot Aug 2 #29
ProfessorGAC Aug 2 #30
Ms. Toad Aug 2 #35
Jamastiene Aug 2 #36
Shermann Aug 2 #40
Jamastiene Aug 5 #41
Meowmee Aug 2 #38

Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 01:00 PM

1. Most of us recognized this back in March.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 01:04 PM

2. Duh

anybody who has kids know they are the best illness spreaders out there. Nobody should believe or fall for any of the bs the dip shits are trying to ram down our throats or up our arses.

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Response to Faux pas (Reply #2)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 02:40 PM

20. I know.

I used to be a teacher. I caught everything the kids got.

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Response to ananda (Reply #20)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 03:07 PM

27. Ha ha

I have a daughter named Ananda, she, her daughter and my wife shared a hotel room once to watch the 2016 eclipse.

I came home with pneumonia, her kid had a fever. I certainly don’t blame them, but kids are a Petri dish of every germ known to humans.

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Response to Faux pas (Reply #2)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 03:33 PM

31. I worked

at a daycare center in my late teens and early 20’s in the late 70’s. I always ended up with the flu. This was before the flu shots were encouraged. Not until my late 20’s did a doctor suggest I get a flu shot. And yes I believed then they spread all kinds of nasty stuff after my experience.

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Response to Rebl2 (Reply #31)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 03:47 PM

32. Four to seven year olds have a constant snot flow...

How they could even think of sending kids back to school shows how insane our nation has become. It’s like sending the kids into a burning building.

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Response to Trueblue Texan (Reply #32)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 06:25 PM

37. And most kids wipe it everywhere.

They are constantly picking a winner and placing it somewhere, especially in places like schools and grocery stores. I have gotten into the habit of washing anything from any grocery store.

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Response to Faux pas (Reply #2)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 05:41 PM

34. They are indisputably germ factories.

They get every germ under the sun, carry it, and spread it.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 01:06 PM

3. Boomer Removers

indeed ...

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 01:13 PM

4. We have been studying this disease for only a few months. We don't know enough about

how it spreads, who spreads it and the likelihood of transmission. Do we really want to risk the lives of our children for Trump's economy and re-election chsnces?

If I had school aged children, I would not be comfortable about sending them to a classroom right now.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #4)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 01:20 PM

6. Me either. I wouldn't send them back. nt

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #4)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 02:31 PM

16. Exactly. We have large gaps in our knowledge about this virus.

And we keep filling in those gaps with incomplete information. This is why we needed a comprehensive testing regime in place after the initial lockdowns in March. Test, learn, and adapt.

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Response to Yavin4 (Reply #16)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 03:51 PM

33. And until a comprehensive national plan is put in force, we will not be able

to get this pandemic under control. It can't be done piecemeal.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 01:17 PM

5. That Georgia camp situation is a mess

That's the proverbial canary in the coal mine here.

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Response to Shermann (Reply #5)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 01:54 PM

9. They can thank their governor for no restrictions. n/t

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 01:25 PM

7. No shit Sherlock.

My god the shit the con artists are trying to pull goes against all common sense.

Of course schools are germ factories. Parents become ill by catching viruses and cold from their children.

Dear lord who doesn’t know and understand this?

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 01:26 PM

8. NYT: Iidiana opens and closes school first day back.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/01/us/schools-reopening-indiana-coronavirus.html

A School Reopens, and the Coronavirus Creeps In
As more schools abandon plans for in-person classes, one that opened in Indiana this week had to quarantine students within hours.

A student at Greenfield Central Junior High School in Indiana tested positive for the coronavirus on Thursday, the first day of school.Credit...AJ Mast for The New York Times By Eliza Shapiro, Giulia McDonnell Nieto del Rio and Shawn Hubler Aug. 1, 2020


One of the first school districts in the country to reopen its doors during the coronavirus pandemic did not even make it a day before being forced to grapple with the issue facing every system actively trying to get students into classrooms: What happens when someone comes to school infected?

Just hours into the first day of classes on Thursday, a call from the county health department notified Greenfield Central Junior High School in Indiana that a student who had walked the halls and sat in various classrooms had tested positive for the coronavirus.

Administrators began an emergency protocol, isolating the student and ordering everyone who had come into close contact with the person, including other students, to quarantine for 14 days. It is unclear whether the student infected anyone else.

“We knew it was a when, not if,” said Harold E. Olin, superintendent of the Greenfield-Central Community School Corporation, but were “very shocked it was on Day 1.”


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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 02:00 PM

10. Because they closed the fucking schools.

Open 'em back up and see what happens.

Jeezus kryst, people.

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Response to Iggo (Reply #10)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 02:35 PM

19. But too unsafe for the RNC - hmmm, GOP priorities... (n/t)

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 02:11 PM

11. I think it is easy to argue that


While a sleep away camp poses particular challenges that schools and other social settings may not face, the


I would argue the inverse also is true.
At sleep away camp children can be kept in smaller groups. All activities can be outside at distanced. There are no daily bus rides. there is no daily contact with outside people. All meals can be at camp site in small groups instead of lunch rooms.
Bathrooms and showers can be regularly cleaned and sanitized between users because they are stand alone structures rather than spread throughout a building. Because activity areas such as archery or arts and crafts are separate it is easier to track and sanitize shared equipment and materials between users.
It is easier to mandate individual water bottles rather than shared drinking fountains.

I would say that if you can not keep kids safe at sleep away camp then it is impossible at school. There are too many advantages of the camp setting that schools simply do not have.

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Response to d_r (Reply #11)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 02:33 PM

17. Excellent points. nt

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 02:19 PM

12. How sick were the kids?

The article only discusses positive test results but not clinical status. It's probably too soon to know, but it'll be important to determine how many of these kids remained asymptomatic, had mild symptoms at home, were hospitalized, were transferred to an ICU, etc.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 02:20 PM

13. I would like to disagree "extremely cautious" wording. Dont play games.

Just say KEEP THE SCHOOLS CLOSED.

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Response to Tetrachloride (Reply #13)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 02:27 PM

15. The word SAFELY is a Republican buzzword now

Just tack it on to any old statement.

- Open the schools SAFELY during a raging pandemic
- SAFELY run the bus routes and bring the untested schoolchildren SAFELY to school
- SAFELY have classroom teaching with exposed schoolchildren and vulnerable teachers

Take a drink every time you hear SAFELY in a Republican political ad.

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Response to Shermann (Reply #15)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 02:44 PM

22. And "Safely" separate families and lock up the children you kidnapped.



Everything about this regime sucks. I can't wait til it's over -- although I have no illusions about the fact that we'll be fighting these fuckheads for the rest of my life.

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Response to Shermann (Reply #15)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 06:28 PM

39. I would be drunk day and night from now on if I took a drink

every time, lol. I see what you mean though. I have been noticing it a lot too.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 02:25 PM

14. It, and it's cabal, want sick and dead children as grounds for postponing the election

that’s not hyperbole.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 02:35 PM

18. I wonder how many of the children showed symptoms.

It may be that children don't show symptoms as often as adults but can still carry and transmit the virus.
This would make it even more dangerous for school employees and parents.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 02:43 PM

21. It's a mammal disease, kids are mammals... Most anyways. lol

The crap US administration rolled out the meme it was an old person's disease from the very start. Now all oliversudden, they're surprised young adults and kids are infected and spreading. Yeah, no one could have seen that coming. So, the school districts are in charge of how to open and teach, without extra funding. The schools are funded by property taxes. There will be so many foreclosures in August and September, it'll make heads spin, unless there's a miracle by Congress. Renters will be evicted... huge homeless camps already, now we're going to add millions to those camps, that are raided by cops weekly. So, here we are... Up shit creek, no paddle, no lifeline. How are they expecting to teach millions of homeless kids?

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Response to MerryBlooms (Reply #21)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 03:00 PM

25. They've been acting like kids are an entirely different species

The idiocy of those in charge is staggering.

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Response to Generic Brad (Reply #25)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 03:26 PM

28. Ayep. And, no one has even mentioned the before/after school care programs on school site

that are, well were, a huge success. I was an administrator and head teacher for our program. My staff was well trained and cpr certified. I haven't heard a word about these programs. Our program was vital for many kids. We also were trained in health screening and of course, mandatory reporters re child abuse. I personally did health screening at the opening of every school year- I was our school's lice check queen, lol. I don't believe many understand just how vital school programs are in monitoring child health issues. If we're going into the school year with minimal funding, (already under funded), leave the districts hanging for non-existent funds... This non school opening plan will bankrupt our schools and the before/after care programs will disappear. I am sure every principal in the nation has been furiously applying for fed grants... Wonder what the backlog time on those are...

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 02:46 PM

23. The OP omitted a very important link in the msn.com article.

This is what the msn.com article really says:

Just as the national debate about reopening schools in the fall heats up, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has released an important piece of information...

Whenever you see a link like that embedded in an article, giving the source of the subject matter, that's the time to stop reading the article and instead click the link and go straight to the source. In this case the source, CDC, provides this possibly very important clue, which the msn.com article omits:

Camp A adopted most components of CDC’s Suggestions for Youth and Summer Camps to minimize the risk for SARS-CoV-2 introduction and transmission. Measures not implemented were cloth masks for campers and opening windows and doors for increased ventilation in buildings. Cloth masks were required for staff members. Camp attendees were cohorted by cabin and engaged in a variety of indoor and outdoor activities, including daily vigorous singing and cheering.


They adopted "most components"? That's like saying you locked most of your doors!

Unlike the msn.com article, this excerpt from the CDC article actually addresses the thread subject of "This Might Play an 'Important Role' in COVID Transmission."

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Response to Towlie (Reply #23)

Wed Aug 5, 2020, 07:09 AM

42. Basically The Camp Operators Lied

The campers were 85% of the total present.
If 85% were unmasked, they essentially did nothing.
They lied about following the guidelines.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 02:57 PM

24. The problem is, you can send them (theoretically)

but they can't come home (until they've been isolating for 2 weeks)

And no teachers, administration, or other staff over the age of 12 allowed

Bye klds

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 03:03 PM

26. "we should be extremely cautious about opening schools."

You think?

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 03:29 PM

29. Example #435

of why the f*** do we even have to debate this?

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 03:32 PM

30. I Call BS

The camp DID NOT REQUIRE MASKS FOR THE KIDS!
This nonsense about their mitigation methods is BS.
80% of everyone there were maskless!
There was, therefore, essentially no mitigation plan!

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 05:57 PM

35. Duh. Been saying that for months.

I'm so tired of the CDC tossing their medical intuition in the trash can before making pronouncements about "it isn't transmitted this way."

Especially with something like COVID 19, it is a known means of transmission of similar illnesses - err on the safe side until proven otherwise.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 06:22 PM

36. I wish I understood the medical reason they believe children are unaffected or not as likely to

get it. Why would kids be less likely to get it if it affects humans? Aren't kids just little humans? I wish someone with knowledge about this would put it in layman's terms for those of us who don't understand it.

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Response to Jamastiene (Reply #36)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 07:29 PM

40. I tackled this in another thread

It seems to have been based on the fact that there wasn't conclusive evidence that the virus is spread by children. However, there wasn't evidence to the contrary either. So they are essentially claiming a "default position" that the schools should be opened as usual due to a lack of evidence either way.

I believe this claiming of the default position to be fallacious, and the correct default position given our emergency situation should be an abundance of caution (i.e. that children will spread the virus thus schools should remain closed). So the burden of proof should be shifted back where it belongs: to those claiming they can safely open schools.

However we are in a fast-moving news cycle where science can be seen working in real time. Evidence that children can spread the virus is slowly trickling in, like that Georgia overnight camp mess.

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Response to Shermann (Reply #40)

Wed Aug 5, 2020, 06:57 AM

41. Thank you.

I know it has to be hard with kids out of school since earlier this year. This feels so much like an experiment, sending them back now. Some states will try to enforce distance learning and/or social distancing, but some states will just throw them all back in there together. I'm expecting a nightmare scenario that is going to affect all of us horribly.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 06:26 PM

38. It has been obvious from the start

That children just like anyone of any age could have covid 19 and spread it, whether symptomatic or not. Children are usually key spreaders of viruses etc at schools.

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