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Fri Jul 31, 2020, 07:32 PM

The 'Father of Modern Gynecology' Performed Shocking Experiments on Slaves

James Marion Sims developed pioneering tools and surgical techniques related to women’s reproductive health, and is credited as the “father of modern gynecology.” The 19th-century physician has been lionized with statues in New York City, South Carolina and Pennsylvania.

But because Sims’ research was conducted on enslaved Black women without anesthesia, medical ethicists, historians and others have called for those monuments to be removed—or for them tobe reconfigured as tributes to the enslaved women known to have endured his experiments.

Sims, who practiced medicine at a time when treating women was considered distasteful and rarely done, invented the vaginal speculum, a tool used for dilation and examination. He also pioneered a surgical technique to repair vesicovaginal fistula, a common 19th-century complication of childbirth in which a tear between the uterus and bladder caused constant pain and urine leakage.Sims’s defenders say the Southern-born slaveholder was simply a man of his time for whom the end justified the means—and that enslaved women with fistulas were likely to have wanted the treatment badly enough that they would have agreed to take part in his experiments. But history hasn’t recorded their voices, and consent from their owners, who had a strong financial interest in their recovery, was the only legal requirement of the time.

Critics say Sims cared more about the experiments than in providing therapeutic treatment, and that he caused untold suffering by operating under the racist notion that Black people did not feel pain. They say his use of enslaved Black bodies as medical test subjects falls into a long, ethically bereft history of medical test subjects falls into a long, ethically bereft history of medical apartheid that includes the Tuskegee syphilis experiment and Henrietta Lacks.

https://www.history.com/news/the-father-of-modern-gynecology-performed-shocking-experiments-on-slaves

His statue was removed.



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Reply The 'Father of Modern Gynecology' Performed Shocking Experiments on Slaves (Original post)
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bobbieinok Jul 2020 #1
sheshe2 Jul 2020 #3
bobbieinok Aug 2020 #21
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Aristus Jul 2020 #4
sheshe2 Jul 2020 #6
Wounded Bear Jul 2020 #5
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mcar Jul 2020 #8
Niagara Jul 2020 #9
oasis Jul 2020 #11
sheshe2 Jul 2020 #13
NurseJackie Aug 2020 #25
Me. Jul 2020 #12
MLAA Jul 2020 #14
sheshe2 Jul 2020 #15
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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 07:39 PM

1. NEVER FORGET!

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Response to bobbieinok (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 07:48 PM

3. Never.

On their knees. Unclothed, he experimented on them. No anesthesia. The pain must have been excruciating.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #3)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 02:05 AM

21. Names of some of slaves have been discovered---Anarcha, Betsey, Lucy

One of them was operated on multiple times without anesthesia, because it was believed that blacks, esp black women, did not feel pain like whites did!

...npr.org/transcripts from Feb 2016

IIRC this is the discussion of a forthcoming book

(It's so irritating that I can't link on this device)

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 07:42 PM

2. Horrific

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 07:53 PM

4. I've never accepted the "a man of his time argument."

Anyone indifferent to suffering, including and especially if he is causing it, is a monster. Bottom line.

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Response to Aristus (Reply #4)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 07:58 PM

6. Thank you.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 07:57 PM

5. Our own American Dr Mengele...

we should be so proud.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #5)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 08:45 PM

10. You read my mind!

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 07:59 PM

7. That is barbaric.



Even by 1800's standards.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 08:03 PM

8. What a horrible story!

I cannot imagine what those women experienced.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 08:44 PM

9. An awful lesson from our history.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 08:49 PM

11. Worse than criminal.

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Response to oasis (Reply #11)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 08:54 PM

13. Yes.

We had our own Josef Mengele.

JOSEF MENGELE
SS physician Josef Mengele conducted inhumane medical experiments on prisoners at Auschwitz. He was the most prominent of a group of Nazi doctors who conducted experiments that often caused great harm or death to the prisoners.


https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/josef-mengele

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #13)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 07:13 AM

25. That's the only way to describe it. Horrifying. Heartbreaking.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 08:52 PM

12. I Can't Even

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 08:57 PM

14. What a sick fuck.

Truly. I don’t believe in hell. But if I’m wrong he should be there getting experimented on without pain meds daily.

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Response to MLAA (Reply #14)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 09:00 PM

15. For all eternity.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 10:39 PM

16. ..

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 10:41 PM

17. There should be no statues of him or buildings in his honor

I had read about him previously. He was a monster.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 10:52 PM

18. Similar thing happened after WW2 with japanese doctors

Unit 731 of the Japanese army performed some of the most horrific medical experiments in human history, murdering thousands of people. And after WW2 the doctors in charge were given immunity by the US in exchange for their medical data. They were never punished and went on to lead normal lives.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731#Surrender_and_immunity

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 10:52 PM

19. .



Rest in power, Anarcha, Betsey, Lucy, and those whose names we don't know now.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 01:22 AM

20. Never forget

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 02:15 AM

22. Sick bastard!

Men should never be allowed to become gynecologists in the first place. I can't imagine why they would want to be other than to harm or exploit women. They don't understand what it is like to be woman so how could they possibly understand what we go through?

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 02:43 AM

23. I don't want anyone to see this as defending what he did, but unrepaired fistula

is also torture and horrific.

Imagine child birth caused a rip, or necrosis between your vagina and large intestine with endless debilitating infections because feces was entering where it isn't supposed to be.

Was he a slave owning Southerner and racist: yes
Did he want to help women: yes
Did it advance gynecology: yes
Would it be approved today as is: no
Did the 19th century suck for women and black people: yes


As history often is, the story is a bit more complex than presented in the OP.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 05:46 AM

24. Mengele was a man of his time too.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 07:52 AM

26. Never forget.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 11:04 AM

27. Using racism to justify American medicine being built on backs of African Americans

The Syphilis Study at Tuskegee lasted until 1972.

It is an outrage and tragedy, and extends to the care in the way some doctors treat patients today







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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 01:10 PM

28. K&R.

 

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 02:36 PM

29. wow

horrible, yet revealing of the horrors we are capable of visiting upon one another in the name of science, Tuskeegee syphilis experiments come to mind or just because one feels superior to another when the fact is we all bleed red, cry, laugh and die. Thank you sheshe for this

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 12:20 AM

30. This is heartbreaking...

...there are no words.

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