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Thu Jul 30, 2020, 06:11 PM

I'm putting this out here because my conscience tells me I have to

Even tho I know from years of experience most people will scoff and will say I am a Cassandra.



When rumors of the secret arrests started spreading, few were alarmed. Maybe unidentified security forces were grabbing young people off the streets and shoving them into unmarked cars—who could say. But they must have had a good reason. Those arrested must have been terrorists, or at least radical leftist troublemakers. The government said it was legal.
And anyway, those arrested wouldn’t be gone forever, people figured. It wasn’t like a person could just disappear.

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Between 1976 and 1983, somewhere between 10,000 and 30,000 Argentinians, as well as a smaller number of foreigners, were kidnapped, tortured, and killed by government agents.
Many of those hustled off the streets and into Ford Falcons at gunpoint were taken to secret government prisons.

Snip:
The few actual leftist revolutionaries were effectively wiped out in the first year of the campaign. Most of those killed by the regime were students, labor unionists, writers, journalists, and other ordinary citizens who had asked too many questions about where their children and neighbors had gone. Officials lied and made jokes; they told distraught parents their children must be on vacation. The leader of the junta, Gen. Jorge Videla said: “The disappeared are just that: disappeared. They are neither alive nor dead. They are disappeared.”

Snip: The junta called it la guerra sucia, the Dirty War, to give it a patina of military legitimacy. But it wasn’t a war. It was one-sided terrorism by a state against its citizens, aimed at crushing political opposition and dissent.


https://tinyurl.com/yxpc5s55

Now reports in from New York City that people are being snatched by those same anonymous guys and black vans.....
The NYPD said it arrested the person for criminal mischief and "making graffiti.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/salvadorhernandez/nypd-grabbed-protester-unmarked-van

this is a test run to check resistance..it's happened in 2 states now.
Notice that trump and his troops call protestors " terrorists" and now "antifa", a group that does not actually exist, but right wingers believe it does, so they support this subversion of the Constitution, because trump hugged a flag so he must be a patriot...or chosen one, etc.

2-3 months ago no one would have imagined this happening in America. 2nd world countries, yeah, but HERE? Naw....
But HERE, people HAVE been disappeared.
Just because they are Hispanics doesn't make it "different"
Remember what happened when lawyers and supporters tried to find people in camps? ICE moved them.
Does anyone know it is the Federal Marshalls who control which sites/prisons that immigrants are thrown in?
Know how many of those prisons are For-Profit?

See the picture?



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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2020, 06:19 PM

1. Yeah, because the entire ENTIRE GOP are now traitors working with Putin

we can all expect to be beaten or rounded up or both.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2020, 06:22 PM

2. Bush/cheney and now this trDump shit show,...


America is a few heartbeats from being a full blown Christian Fascist State. TrDump is just the person to drag us fully across the demarcation line of Democracy into a Corporatist Fascist Christian State from which there will be no return.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2020, 06:26 PM

3. I am not scoffing. "Uncomfortable" possibilities must be considered. nt

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Response to Atticus (Reply #3)

Thu Jul 30, 2020, 06:40 PM

4. I recognize that a lot of scoffing about unpleasant information



is "please don't make me think about it". Normal reaction. Esp. on top of all the shit that has been rolling down on us.

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Response to Atticus (Reply #3)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 01:23 PM

14. I wish I could scoff but there's not even any room for debate.

Trump has declared war on America. It's a shooting war, not a figure of speech.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2020, 06:53 PM

5. Great post although

I do think that US institutions are stronger. US and Western powers backed military dictatorships in South America and Latin America. Authoritarian leaders (generals or backed by generals) destroyed or weakened civil society and crushed anyone in the way.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2020, 07:06 PM

6. Those activities...

Those activities are against the Constitution. We know that Trump does not respect it.

If we cut to the chase, doesn't this come down to the military in an end game in order to end the siege, so to speak? The real question would be how truly patriotic the military is and if they would side with Trump or the people and the laws of the land.

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Response to Newest Reality (Reply #6)

Thu Jul 30, 2020, 07:18 PM

7. There's been talk about such a scenario given that loyalty of military is key.



Most people feel the military will back the Constitution. But exactly what that would look like, isn't detailed.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2020, 07:31 PM

8. But wait we have the NRA and 300 million guns at the ready to fight tyranny nt

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 08:46 AM

9. I attended a CLE event on the Portland Protest

The actions of trump’s storm troopers are truly disgusting

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #9)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 12:32 PM

10. CLE?????

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #10)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 12:52 PM

12. Continuing Legal Education

I am a lawyer and we need a set number of hours of CLE each year. The local Democratic Lawyers Association used to have great lunches with free CLE for the price of the lunch. Since COVID the group has been doing these programs on line. This program was great and had a ton of video from Portland. Here is what was posted for this program
First Coverage of BLM Protests in Person

5/31/20 Video of Salem protesters lying in the road in protest:


5/31/20 Video of Salem Police response:



Sample of Salem Protest (March for Floyd)

6/6/20 Video of March for Floyd Crowd Marching:


6/6/20 Picture of March for Floyd Crowd in Salem:



Visiting PDX for Comparison

6/14/20 Pictures Protesters Sitting in PDX Park:


6/14/20 Video Parade in PDX:


6/14/20 Picture of 5-minute standoff with Police:



First PDX Protest Covered after Arrival of Feds

7/17/20 Picture of City Council Member JoAnn Hardesty:


7/17/20 Video of peaceful protester

From Mike Doyle to Everyone: 12:31 PM

The Feds

7/22/20 Video of more shock and awe:




7/21/20 Shock and Awe Footage:




7/27/20 Video of Munitions detonating everywhere:




7/20/20 Video of feds marching through the streets:




7/20/20 Video of Feds and tear gas:




7/21/20 Picture of expired munitions:




7/21/20 Picture of gas canisters:




7/27/20 Recording of Feds trying to overwhelm protesters with gas:




7/27/20 Pictures of litter from spent munitions:





Growing Crowds

7/19/20 Picture of BLM protest crowd with American flag:




Check out Eddy's reporting:

clypian.com/author/723037/

Twitter: @eddybinfordross

willamette.edu/law/faculty/profiles/binford/index.html

Twitter: @childsrightsprof

naacp.org/naacp-board-of-directors/board-member-gary-bledsoe/

Twitter: @G_bledsoe

sugermanlawoffice.com/protecting-our-community/

Twitter: @davidsug

Eddy's declaration in ACLU lawsuit: https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ord.153126/gov.uscourts.ord.153126.78.0.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2ke9trH6BfQxNP71OqwYLqb2g43t03FdAmvCRom3UVMUN-RLzL4rJl5pM

https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-protests-for-racial-justice/2020/07/27/896043971/portland-protesters-file-suit-against-trump-administration-over-federal-response

Eddy's latest report: http://clypian.com/2020/07/28/protestors-in-portland-tip-federal-courthouse-fence-saturday-riot-declared/?fbclid=IwAR0reF8aGYVeUPMnyEVV_vaU12vAgq4jU8ohwrkk_2PclX0T4haU8D9EVbo

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #12)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 01:20 PM

13. Thank you for all this info!!!!!! n/t

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 12:48 PM

11. I think the rich in this country are wispering the fascist undertones

in the ears of the repugs and the tRump team. Remember it is all about the money, their money. Our protest need to start picking on the money class also.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 01:24 PM

15. You are a Cassandra...

This is NOT Argentina. We do not have the centralized governing structure of Argentina. We do not have a military prepared to engage in domestic law enforcement (one of the reasons DHS was sent in).

I've LIVED in a Dictatorship. This isn't one. It isn't close to being one.

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