In the 1930s

[Trumpocalypse]

German communists refused to ally with Social Democrats to oppose Hitler and the Nazis. They didn’t think the Social Democrats were pure enough, so they refused to compromise their principles and support the “lesser of two evils”. I wonder if the communists were still proud of themselves when the nazis sent them to concentration camps. Think about that the next time you see some privileged woke dude on Twitter claiming Biden is just as bad as Trump.

[Mike 03]

1. Damned right.

Think about that the next time you see some privileged woke dude on Twitter claiming Biden is just as bad as Trump.

Or the next time someone on Twitter tries to get you to distrust The Lincoln Project because they might not be our friends four or eight years from today. Why? So that their funding dries up and they become less effective?


Book review by Timothy Snyder:
How Did the Nazis Gain Power in Germany?
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/14/books/review/benjamin-carter-hett-death-of-democracy.html

[c-rational]

2. Agreed, and thanks for the link to the Book Review by Timothy Snyder.

[lonely bird]

3. Re: Timothy Snyder

I also recommend his books "On Tyranny" and "The Road to Unfreedom".

[Duppers]

4. 👍 Timothy Snyder was dynamite on Rachel...

the other night.

On Tyranny: Twenty Lessons from the Twentieth Century

[KPN]

5. OK. Haven't seen or heard that from anyone real yet.

But I don’t do twitter or spend much time on social media — just FB to keep up with fam and friends once in a while. Hopefully, most of it is just trolls hoping to stir things up (faint chance with the strength of anti-Trump sentiment) and not real people. I say faint chance because I don’t see it affecting the more liberal Dems. Not the ones I know.

[Trumpocalypse]

9. Well they exist

Even if you don’t personally see it.

[KPN]

16. That's a view I guess. As far as "they exist" to a substantive degree, I would need some evidence

to actually "see it".

[Trumpocalypse]

18. Not a view but a fact

Just go on Twitter and you’ll see plenty of examples.

[KPN]

19. And what is your evidence that they are actually vote-eligible, progressive Americans to a

substantive degree? Absent that, I am unconvinced. I live in Oregon among many Sanders' supporters and I see and hear zero of them saying Trump and Biden are the same.

[Trumpocalypse]

20. By that logic

The coronavirus exists because you can’t actually see it. You can either bury your head in the sand and deny reality or do look beyond your small world to accept reality.

[KPN]

21. Oh brother.

You are welcome to your views. I just disagree.

[Trumpocalypse]

24. No it's not my "views"

it’s reality. It’s like saying that racism doesn’t exist because you haven’t personally experienced it. I chose to acknowledge reality not deny it.

[KPN]

29. You are welcome to believe what you want.

[Trumpocalypse]

30. No I'm accepting reality

not denying it.

[KPN]

33. Nor am I. It's not substantively issue worthy

here. Fact.

[Trumpocalypse]

34. If it's not

Why did you feel the need to comment?

Btw the op has 71 recs so far.

[Sloumeau]

6. How we know Joe Biden would have done a much better job handling the COVID-19 Pandemic:

1. In January 2020, Joe Biden's former Chief of Staff, Ron Klain, published an article warning how dangerous COVID-19 could be.

2. A few days later, Joe Biden published an article warning both how dangerous COVID-19 could become and warning that Donald Trump would never take the threat seriously.

3. Battling COVID-19 has always needed someone who can supervise big projects and get the funding for them through Congress. Joe Biden supervised Obama's recovery legislation for the Great Recession recovery. He was integral to the passage of the Affordable Care Act (ObamaCare).

4. Over the past 5 months, Joe Biden has repeatedly written and talked about all of the steps that were needed to handle the COVID-19 pandemic. He even published a complete plan and gave Donald Trump permission to use it.

If Joe Biden were President, we would be living in a different America right now--an America where the threat from COVID-19 had been greatly reduced, and one where we could safely send our children back to school.

[Lonestarblue]

7. The third party voters need to see this.

I can understand casting a vote as an objection to politics as usual, but not in this election. It is too important to get Trump out of office. Biden needs every possible vote to overcome the Republican crap and the Russian (and maybe Chinese and Iranian) interference.

[Ferrets are Cool]

8. It makes my blood boil to see "all politicians are the same. they are all corrupt"

[Trumpocalypse]

10. Was John Lewis corrupt?

That usually shuts them up.

[denem]

11. The KPD were talking their orders from Moscow.

The same thing happened in Spain, the Communists was the center-left as the enemy, as collaborators who positioned the inevitable revolution.

[TomVilmer]

12. It is way too simplistic...

... to compare a world 100 years ago with a total different parliamentary system, ten years before Hitler fully became a dictator. A competing counterfactual view could be that the Social Democrats was regretting not to have supported the Communist Party, when they both were dragged to the concentration camps...

The split between the Social Democrats and the Communist Party was way deep then, since the Social Democrats had allied themselves with the Imperial Army and supported Germany's entry into World War I, and was fighting as hard against the Communist Party, as the other way round.

Trump is no Hitler, and the World is quite complicated. Keep it that way - and defend Trump without absurd comparisons, thanks!

[Trumpocalypse]

13. Defend Trump?

And it’s not an absurd comparison. Those who fall to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

[TomVilmer]

14. Yes - my English is as bad as Trumps...

... but my understanding of history are way better. And that "quote" does not help, not even in the original form: "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it".

PS. I grew up in a home frequently guested by political refugees from Germany, so I think I have heard most of the views on this subject.

[Trumpocalypse]

15. Well to use another quote

You are failing to see the forest for the trees. You are so bogged down in details that you are missing the larger point.

And do you want to defend Trump?

[TomVilmer]

27. Gee - you are really bad at understanding English

My large point is that millions of voters gave the world this Trump-problem. If your solution is to compare all of those voters personally to the ones who liked Hitler, then you are just going to get Trump elected again. So please try to be smarter in your general communication, thanks!

[Trumpocalypse]

28. You are too

and totally misunderstood my point.

[betsuni]

17. K&R

[Crunchy Frog]

22. They were following orders from Moscow. They were completely subservient to Stalin at the time.

Communist party members at the time had a near religious faith in Stalin, which they tended to retain pretty much whatever happened, and they did not make their own autonomous decisions. It's not really something that can be analogized to contemporary America.

I wonder if Stalin regretted his instructions to his German followers once Hitler was attacking the Soviet Union, as he kind of indirectly made that bed for the country that he was dictator of.

[Trumpocalypse]

23. Yes it is

It’s the reason Trump is President now

[Crunchy Frog]

25. Trump is president because of Stalin? I suppose in a bizzare, convoluted way, that could be right.

There is a path from Stalin to Putin.

[Trumpocalypse]

26. No he's President because

many on the left either stayed home or voted 3rd party in 16 because she wasn’t pure enough for them and the “lesser of two evils”.

[triron]

31. Sigh.. No. Putin installed him.

[Trumpocalypse]

32. That was a contributing factor too

But not the only one.