Sat Jul 18, 2020, 10:30 AM
Laelth (32,014 posts)
What would happen if Trump tried to arrest the Governor of Oregon?
Recently, Uncle Vlad, in Moscow, arrested Sergei Furgal, the elected Governor of Khabarovsk, a region in Far-Eastern Russia, and had him shipped off to Moscow for “questioning” (and, probably, re-education). To their credit, the displeased people of Khabarovsk have been demonstrating in the streets for about a week over this assault upon their local sovereignty.
But what would happen in the United States if Trump decided he wanted to arrest a Governor—for example, that uncooperative and ungrateful Governor in Oregon who is a little peeved about unidentified (and unwelcome) federal agents arresting and questioning her citizens? Here, the idea is laughable. Trump can’t arrest a governor. Trump wouldn’t even try it. It would never work. Mercifully, our outrageously unwieldy republic is HIGHLY resistant to totalitarianism. The states remain supreme. It’s almost funny. These days you see governors telling the President to piss off (Michigan). You see mayors telling governors to piss off (Atlanta), and you see local school boards telling county commissioners to piss off (Orange County). This is one of those times when I can really appreciate the beauty of this ridiculously complicated, power-diffused (decentralized) system of government that we have. ![]() -Laelth
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Laelth | Jul 2020 | OP |
Igel | Jul 2020 | #1 | |
Laelth | Jul 2020 | #4 | |
AleksS | Jul 2020 | #2 | |
Laelth | Jul 2020 | #3 | |
roamer65 | Jul 2020 | #5 | |
Cosmocat | Jul 2020 | #6 | |
Laelth | Jul 2020 | #14 | |
duforsure | Jul 2020 | #7 | |
SCantiGOP | Jul 2020 | #8 | |
Laelth | Jul 2020 | #11 | |
jalan48 | Jul 2020 | #9 | |
Laelth | Jul 2020 | #10 | |
Sewa | Jul 2020 | #12 | |
Laelth | Jul 2020 | #13 |
Response to Laelth (Original post)
Sat Jul 18, 2020, 10:31 AM
Igel (33,698 posts)
1. Or Georgia? n/t
Response to Igel (Reply #1)
Sat Jul 18, 2020, 10:53 AM
Laelth (32,014 posts)
4. I am not following you.
Why would Trump want to arrest one of his loyal sycophants?
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Response to Laelth (Original post)
Sat Jul 18, 2020, 10:45 AM
AleksS (1,648 posts)
2. Don't give him ideas.
Don’t give Trump ideas.
The minute you say “ He can’t possibly sink that low,” is the moment he says “Hold my beer.” |
Response to AleksS (Reply #2)
Sat Jul 18, 2020, 10:51 AM
Laelth (32,014 posts)
3. I appreciate the wisdom of your position.
“Don’t stir the pot.”
But part of me would like to see Trump try it. That would create a REAL Constitutional crisis the likes of which we have never seen, and, given the current state of the Republic, I suspect that the SCOTUS would be compelled to rule in favor of state sovereignty—i.e. FOR the Governor of Oregon. ![]() -Laelth |
Response to Laelth (Original post)
Sat Jul 18, 2020, 11:09 AM
roamer65 (35,004 posts)
5. There will be repercussions for such an action.
Response to Laelth (Original post)
Sat Jul 18, 2020, 11:11 AM
Cosmocat (14,374 posts)
6. The clock is ticking on this
If he gets to stay in the White House past January 20, all bets are off on this ...
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Response to Cosmocat (Reply #6)
Sat Jul 18, 2020, 04:11 PM
Laelth (32,014 posts)
14. No doubt.
If Trump is re-installed next year, this 233-year-old republic will be in danger of sliding into fascism. So far, mercifully, that future feels remote.
-Laelth |
Response to Laelth (Original post)
Sat Jul 18, 2020, 11:18 AM
duforsure (11,861 posts)
7. As desperate as he is he could try doing this,
He's already criminalizing peaceful protesters, and using extreme violence against them, and openly violating their constitutional civil rights , and Republicans are saying and doing nothing to stop it. This will only escalate rapidly and he'll escalate his violence for intimidation and to instill fear, if judge's don't get this under control by ruling against it quickly.
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Response to Laelth (Original post)
Sat Jul 18, 2020, 11:32 AM
SCantiGOP (13,237 posts)
8. The President doesn't have arrest powers
Response to SCantiGOP (Reply #8)
Sat Jul 18, 2020, 11:58 AM
Laelth (32,014 posts)
11. No. He doesn't.
But DHS does, and I could imagine Trump fantasizing about the powers his buddy, Vlad, can wield.
I just don’t think that Trump could get away with it in this republic. -Laelth |
Response to Laelth (Original post)
Sat Jul 18, 2020, 11:35 AM
jalan48 (13,692 posts)
9. This would be second term stuff. He and his cabal realize slow steps are less noticeable. First
they will expand using the US military in all states across the nation.
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Response to jalan48 (Reply #9)
Sat Jul 18, 2020, 11:56 AM
Laelth (32,014 posts)
10. It certainly COULD be.
Our primary goal must be to do what we can to insure that a second Trump term never happens.
Go Joe! ![]() ![]() -Laelth |
Response to Laelth (Original post)
Sat Jul 18, 2020, 12:18 PM
Sewa (1,100 posts)
12. Who would stop him?
The acting head of DHS would drink his own piss if Trump told him to. There are rogue law enforcement agencies all across our country.
I like your question. Americans take too much for granted. |
Response to Sewa (Reply #12)
Sat Jul 18, 2020, 12:27 PM
Laelth (32,014 posts)
13. We do take liberal government for granted. I agree.
But, under our Constitution, only the states have police powers. Let us hope that this doesn’t change under Trump.
-Laelth |