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Takket

(21,560 posts)
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 06:55 PM Jul 2020

NBC nightly news just interviewed 5 pediatricians

Last edited Sun Jul 12, 2020, 07:46 PM - Edit history (1)

All 5 agreed that the virus is virtually no threat to children, that transmission from child to adult is very rare, that the benefits of returning to the classroom outweigh the risks of the virus, and that they would all feel comfortable sending their kids to school. They did stress the need for social distancing.......

so... i guess we're all good to go for returning to school, right?



edit: added link to video

https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/5-pediatricians-on-the-safety-of-schools-amid-pandemic-87569477784

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NBC nightly news just interviewed 5 pediatricians (Original Post) Takket Jul 2020 OP
Who paid whom? yonder Jul 2020 #1
Hand picked doctors ... nakocal Jul 2020 #2
And the teachers??!? secondwind Jul 2020 #3
Yup, and the teachers, and other staff? nt Hortensis Jul 2020 #80
Show that camp where 62 campers and staff caught it. NightWatcher Jul 2020 #4
This soothsayer Jul 2020 #6
It was 82, I believe. Nevilledog Jul 2020 #9
Yes, 41 on the first testing day and the same on another day. LastDemocratInSC Jul 2020 #57
Guess we trust the experts, but only when they say what we want. Hoyt Jul 2020 #5
I don't trust experts. Crunchy Frog Jul 2020 #16
Would you trust these five "experts" with the live of YOUR child? Ferrets are Cool Jul 2020 #19
Not anymore than I trust those for closing schools another year are acting in kids' best interests. Hoyt Jul 2020 #24
If they're regular pediatricians... Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2020 #28
I trust them more than most other "experts" when it comes to kids. Hoyt Jul 2020 #33
I'll trust the epidemiologists in regard to the virus. Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2020 #34
Then, you'd be surprised by this study of 500 epidemiologists in June. Hoyt Jul 2020 #37
Yeah, I'm sure that scientists will be unaware... Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2020 #38
"Experts" in what field? Yavin4 Jul 2020 #53
Read the other posts above, that include epidemiologists too. Truthfully, this has become a Hoyt Jul 2020 #61
My point is this. We don't have enough data collection to make a judgment on opening schools. Yavin4 Jul 2020 #77
I'm with you Ferrets are Cool Jul 2020 #84
I'm fine with waiting for data, but we have to start planning to open right now if data Hoyt Jul 2020 #85
Relative to what happened in Texas there is no data showing we can open uponit7771 Jul 2020 #105
I Did Not See Anyone Say We Should Write The School Year Off.... usedtobedemgurl Jul 2020 #113
THIS !!! uponit7771 Jul 2020 #104
Yes, because Obama Was A Caring Adult, With No Hidden Agenda. n/t usedtobedemgurl Jul 2020 #114
You certainly pretend to speak for a lot of people... LanternWaste Jul 2020 #65
As do you. Hoyt Jul 2020 #66
Nope. Just myself. Pretense indeed! LanternWaste Jul 2020 #68
Maybe, you ought to read what some experts say -- whether they agree or disagree. Hoyt Jul 2020 #69
Maybe you ought not to speak for anyone other than you and yours. LanternWaste Jul 2020 #70
When my name is on the post, that's who I am speaking for, even if you don't like it. Hoyt Jul 2020 #72
'We' implies much more than one... even if you don't like grammar LanternWaste Jul 2020 #73
Lol, maybe give up now! Nt USALiberal Jul 2020 #97
Speaking about grammar, your quote is incorrect. nt USALiberal Jul 2020 #119
+100000 Celerity Jul 2020 #100
They were wrong... Period uponit7771 Jul 2020 #103
+1 BannonsLiver Jul 2020 #120
Science requires some skepticism along with trusting experts Blecht Jul 2020 #123
Agree. Out of over a half million kids in Texas daycares only 300 got the virus Quixote1818 Jul 2020 #125
We'll wait for Barron to go to school and then we'll think about it. C_U_L8R Jul 2020 #7
At Barron's school everyone will be screened every morning (nt) mr_lebowski Jul 2020 #18
How can they say that "transmission from adult to child is very rare"? DSandra Jul 2020 #8
Heard the same thing and yelled at the TV. sarcasmo Jul 2020 #86
I watched that segment in utter disbelief. Totally Tunsie Jul 2020 #10
Shoulda had a disclaimer that it was a trump infomercial. Nevilledog Jul 2020 #11
exactly rockfordfile Jul 2020 #93
Every day at school this fall will be a Covid Party. sarcasmo Jul 2020 #12
Maybe republicans should change their party name to Covid Party. LisaL Jul 2020 #23
Murder party. onecaliberal Jul 2020 #25
With the stock market at risk.... safeinOhio Jul 2020 #78
Just read about a case in daycare, where mother LisaL Jul 2020 #13
Yep. Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2020 #17
Yep, this same situation will happen when schools open. sarcasmo Jul 2020 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author pwb Jul 2020 #14
How were they selected? Sanity Claws Jul 2020 #15
5 pediatric researchers? Bad Thoughts Jul 2020 #20
What comparables are there of other nations with schools being open with the rate of infection we Doodley Jul 2020 #21
Most schools will reopen I'm afraid. panader0 Jul 2020 #22
I think you are 100% right. I would also say that even if it is relatively few numbers, Doodley Jul 2020 #27
I think most kids will be fine. LisaL Jul 2020 #44
Well sure, as DeVoss said, it'd be what, just 0.2% that would die Blue_Adept Jul 2020 #115
and also higher risk household members and classmates pstokely Jul 2020 #126
NBA is playing in front of no fans nt maryellen99 Jul 2020 #46
These Texas daycares say otherwise SoonerPride Jul 2020 #29
Only 300 cases out of a half million kids. No, those stats totally back up the Pediatricians math Quixote1818 Jul 2020 #124
Like Dr. Oz and others that said it was ok to open up . . .. Iliyah Jul 2020 #30
I think these 5 docs are pretty much in line with mainstream pediatricians. Hoyt Jul 2020 #31
Then mainstream pediatricians need to educate themselves. LisaL Jul 2020 #43
Some are still open too. Here's a poll of epidemiologists in June. 70% said open schools by Fall. Hoyt Jul 2020 #45
Did they know how many Covid cases we are going to have by fall? LisaL Jul 2020 #48
I think a lot of the problem lies with the fact that Trump and his administration can't be trusted Arkansas Granny Jul 2020 #54
Agree 100%. If Obama were leading this we'd all feel better. But, just because it's trump, Hoyt Jul 2020 #58
traitor trump is a pos rockfordfile Jul 2020 #95
Agree 100%. But, I think we have to make decisions on kids' futures Hoyt Jul 2020 #98
you support trump rockfordfile Jul 2020 #94
You are badly wrong. I think we should do what's best for kids, whether or not Hoyt Jul 2020 #99
Pediatricians? LuckyCharms Jul 2020 #32
It's narcissistic behavior imo. Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2020 #35
I'm furious today. LuckyCharms Jul 2020 #42
Here's poll of 500 epidemiologists in June about schools. 70% said open in Fall or sooner. Hoyt Jul 2020 #40
Assuming "the public health response to it unfold as they expect" Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2020 #47
Did you try reading it. NYT's is providing a lot of CV19 stuff free. Hoyt Jul 2020 #49
Yes, I clicked your link. Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2020 #51
That's exactly right. LisaL Jul 2020 #50
A few more quotes for you -- again, cherry-picked. Hoyt Jul 2020 #56
Thanks for the text. Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2020 #60
I believe we plan to reopen. As the date gets closer, we may have to push it back. Hoyt Jul 2020 #63
you have some pos folks there rockfordfile Jul 2020 #96
When a large percentage of people do not follow recommendations... LuckyCharms Jul 2020 #52
Given the HORRIBLE results in the USA... Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2020 #59
Look, I agree the blame is on trump's admin. But, we can't just stop trying because trump is a loser Hoyt Jul 2020 #64
Hoyt, I understand and respect your point, but what I am saying is that... LuckyCharms Jul 2020 #71
Agree 100%, except over what aspects of society we should just write-off, particularly schools. Hoyt Jul 2020 #76
Just how much is a person's or child's life worth Tribetime Jul 2020 #109
True but we can try smartly not the dumbest way possible uponit7771 Jul 2020 #106
Of course. Never said otherwise. Hoyt Jul 2020 #112
Sending kids to school without gating data is not smart though, I don't get this !! We're missing uponit7771 Jul 2020 #116
Sure, but what does Dr. Oz and Dr. Phil think? Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2020 #36
So adults infect children but children don't infect adults? Phoenix61 Jul 2020 #39
500 day Care people caught covid-19 in two weeks in Texas during June. uponit7771 Jul 2020 #107
self kick to provide link to video............. Takket Jul 2020 #41
How is "reaching out to five pediatricians" a "random sample" as claimed by the report? lapucelle Jul 2020 #55
Boy the murder-suicide cult is strong! ananda Jul 2020 #62
Child to adult is very rare? Cracklin Charlie Jul 2020 #67
What data are they basing this on?? I have not seen much on children being tested. mackdaddy Jul 2020 #117
Yeah, they should have no problem social distancing in schools. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2020 #74
They're on a mission from BURP lpbk2713 Jul 2020 #75
maybe transmission from children to adults is rare because... BGBD Jul 2020 #79
Completely wrong. roamer65 Jul 2020 #81
Good questions seen on Facebook re: Teachers and students pitchforksandtorches Jul 2020 #82
It's no secret that children are at much lower risk of contracting COVID-19. OilemFirchen Jul 2020 #83
They can contract covid just fine. LisaL Jul 2020 #87
the issue asymptomatic kids becoming spreaders pstokely Jul 2020 #127
There's no data that supports this relative to exposure rate uponit7771 Jul 2020 #108
2 out of 5 seemed to be somewhat versed on the virus ... GeorgeGist Jul 2020 #88
Well we do have a lot of holiday inn express platinum club members here BannonsLiver Jul 2020 #121
New York Times: Internal CDC documents warn full reopening of schools is 'highest risk'... Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2020 #89
Well, that's depressing.... LeftInTX Jul 2020 #90
THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN IN AN ELEMENTARY CLASSROOM! AwakeAtLast Jul 2020 #91
This BS absolutely infuriated me. Alliepoo Jul 2020 #92
Its not just kids in school rooms, its teachers, busdrivers, janitors, cooks, front office people Baclava Jul 2020 #118
Maintenance and central office staff. ❤ nt littlemissmartypants Jul 2020 #122
Isn't all of this based on following certain procedures ? JI7 Jul 2020 #101
An Texas daycares... JCMach1 Jul 2020 #102
Guess I need to add pediatrics and pediatricians to my CV19 trash by keyword filter BannonsLiver Jul 2020 #110
So, if there's "no threat", why would they need to social distance? GoCubsGo Jul 2020 #111

nakocal

(550 posts)
2. Hand picked doctors ...
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 06:58 PM
Jul 2020

Saying what the president wants the people to hear. And sorry pediatricians are not experts on the spread of viruses.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
4. Show that camp where 62 campers and staff caught it.
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 06:58 PM
Jul 2020

Then two weeks later count how many have it because of the camp and how many are dying.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
5. Guess we trust the experts, but only when they say what we want.
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 06:59 PM
Jul 2020

Truthfully, I don't think anyone really has the right answer.

Crunchy Frog

(26,579 posts)
16. I don't trust experts.
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 07:11 PM
Jul 2020

I'm more willing to listen to experts, but ultimately I still need evidence, and I want to hear different opinions from different experts when there's any controversy involved.

I absolutely do not believe in placing blind trust in anyone.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
24. Not anymore than I trust those for closing schools another year are acting in kids' best interests.
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 07:18 PM
Jul 2020

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
28. If they're regular pediatricians...
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 07:19 PM
Jul 2020

... then they're not experts about this virus any more than a TV meteorologist talking about climate change.

I don't know the details of their involvement, though, since I didn't see the segment.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
34. I'll trust the epidemiologists in regard to the virus.
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 07:29 PM
Jul 2020

And they might form a consensus that it's safe to reopen the schools too? Time will tell.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
37. Then, you'd be surprised by this study of 500 epidemiologists in June.
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 07:36 PM
Jul 2020

Here's results of a study of epidemiologists in June 2020.


"We asked more than 500 epidemiologists and infectious disease specialists when they expect to restart 20 activities of daily life, assuming that the coronavirus pandemic and the public health response to it unfold as they expect. On sending children to school, camp or child care, 70 percent said they would do so either right now, later this summer or in the fall — much sooner than most said they would resume other activities that involved big groups of people gathering indoors. Others, though, said they would wait for a vaccine, which could take a year or more."



https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/upshot/epidemiologists-decisions-children-school-coronavirus.html



Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
38. Yeah, I'm sure that scientists will be unaware...
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 07:42 PM
Jul 2020

... of the big picture, like the ridiculous stereotypes from "The Big Bang Theory" and the like.



Like I wrote earlier, epidemiologists might agree with them given enough evidence. We'll see.

Edit: Just saw your update, and that's fine by me.

Yavin4

(35,437 posts)
53. "Experts" in what field?
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 07:57 PM
Jul 2020

An expert in pediatrics is not an expert in pandemics.

Also, doesn't matter how expert you are when you don't have all of the data. No one knows because we don't have enough data to declare that opening schools is safe for children.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
61. Read the other posts above, that include epidemiologists too. Truthfully, this has become a
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 08:08 PM
Jul 2020

little too politicized for the good of the country. trump has not, and can't, convince people that things will be done correctly balancing the various considerations.

As another poster pointed out, if Obama were heading up things, we'd feel a whole lot better about reopening schools to some degree (even if just one or two days a week for reduced hours).

Yavin4

(35,437 posts)
77. My point is this. We don't have enough data collection to make a judgment on opening schools.
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 08:41 PM
Jul 2020

We simply do not have enough information about the effects of this virus to make that kind of decision because we have an administration that does not believe in collecting the data.

For me, it's not a question of believe Obama over Trump. For me, it should be if a state achieves a certain number of tests every day and those tests show a declining rate or a plateau of new cases, then schools can re-open. If not, they should be closed.

Tests, gather information, analyze, and then act. It's not about experts or what field they're in. It's all about the damn data.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
85. I'm fine with waiting for data, but we have to start planning to open right now if data
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 09:30 PM
Jul 2020

shows we can. If September rolls around, and it doesn't look good, we delay it. But, writing the school year off at this point is a mistake. And I believe that's what the experts are saying.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
105. Relative to what happened in Texas there is no data showing we can open
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 05:14 AM
Jul 2020

countries that have a bottom out infection rate have closed down their schools there will be no opening of schools in the US

I do not believe there are people on du claiming that the Earth is flat this is some stupid s***

usedtobedemgurl

(1,137 posts)
113. I Did Not See Anyone Say We Should Write The School Year Off....
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 08:25 AM
Jul 2020

I see a lot of folks saying to do work via the internet. Could you show me where folks are saying to forget the school year and not have it at all? I am shocked folks would just suggest going a whole school year with no work. I say when it is safe enough for politicians to not wear masks and go into crowds, day after day and when the White House accepts visitors and when regular folks can go back to work, it would be perfectly safe for the kids, their teachers, the school staff and the parents and grandparents at home.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
70. Maybe you ought not to speak for anyone other than you and yours.
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 08:15 PM
Jul 2020

"but only when they say what you want..."

BannonsLiver

(16,369 posts)
120. +1
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 03:54 PM
Jul 2020

Even Dr Fauci is back en Vogue on DU. The level of unintentional comedic melodrama found here is often spectacular.

Blecht

(3,803 posts)
123. Science requires some skepticism along with trusting experts
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 04:26 PM
Jul 2020

It is not one or the other.

Remember this blast from the past? The authors have credentials coming out of their noses:

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/commentary-masks-all-covid-19-not-based-sound-data


Data lacking to recommend broad mask use
We do not recommend requiring the general public who do not have symptoms of COVID-19-like illness to routinely wear cloth or surgical masks because:

* There is no scientific evidence they are effective in reducing the risk of SARS-CoV-2 transmission
* Their use may result in those wearing the masks to relax other distancing efforts because they have a sense of protection
* We need to preserve the supply of surgical masks for at-risk healthcare workers.





Quixote1818

(28,928 posts)
125. Agree. Out of over a half million kids in Texas daycares only 300 got the virus
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 04:44 PM
Jul 2020

That is an incredibly low number. A lot of knee jerk reactions here.

DSandra

(999 posts)
8. How can they say that "transmission from adult to child is very rare"?
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 07:03 PM
Jul 2020

Studies have shown that children with Covid 19 have as high a viral load as adults. Talk about 5 bought and paid for pediatricians.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
13. Just read about a case in daycare, where mother
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 07:08 PM
Jul 2020

was waiting for covid test, she would drop her kid at daycare. Her covid test came back positive. Turned out kid was also infected and asymptomatic.
A lot of people got infected in that daycare, and my bet is on the kid infecting them, not the mother. Mother just dropped the kid off, and picked him up, while wearing mask. Kid was maskless and stayed in daycare the whole day. Lots of stories about kids getting infected with covid in daycares.

"The cases go back to a mom who didn’t quarantine as she waited to learn if she had the virus. For three days she brought her child to the child care, Feathers said. It turned out the child was asymptomatic and both the child and mom have since tested positive for the virus, she said."
https://www.syracuse.com/coronavirus/2020/07/at-least-16-sick-after-coronavirus-exposure-at-dewitt-in-home-day-care-take-this-seriously-stay-home-if-sick-at-all.html

Response to Takket (Original post)

Sanity Claws

(21,846 posts)
15. How were they selected?
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 07:10 PM
Jul 2020

Did they see the CDC guidelines? Anyone ask why we should believe them over epidemiologists?

Doodley

(9,088 posts)
21. What comparables are there of other nations with schools being open with the rate of infection we
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 07:16 PM
Jul 2020

are seeing here right now (and rapidly rising)?

panader0

(25,816 posts)
22. Most schools will reopen I'm afraid.
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 07:16 PM
Jul 2020

Then in less than a month they will shut down with many covid cases added to the totals.
Same with sports, which I miss very much. As I recall, the NBA was one of the first to shut down
long ago (it seems), but now wants to play. And baseball and football. It will not work out any
better than the reopening of bars, beaches and restaurants. More cases. Patience people.
Patience. Beat the virus, then reopen.

Doodley

(9,088 posts)
27. I think you are 100% right. I would also say that even if it is relatively few numbers,
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 07:19 PM
Jul 2020

every time a child dies, the blame will be laid on Trump's door.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
44. I think most kids will be fine.
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 07:51 PM
Jul 2020

It's the teachers that are less likely to be fine. Then of course there are kids that won't be fine either, especially those with pre-existing conditions.
"That threat is real for older teachers and teachers with pre-existing conditions."
https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2020/07/11/what-covid-cases-in-daycares-right-now-could-show-us-about-kids-returning-to-school/

Blue_Adept

(6,399 posts)
115. Well sure, as DeVoss said, it'd be what, just 0.2% that would die
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 08:30 AM
Jul 2020

That's only about 15,000 kids

Perfectly acceptable.

Quixote1818

(28,928 posts)
124. Only 300 cases out of a half million kids. No, those stats totally back up the Pediatricians math
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 04:39 PM
Jul 2020

Kids are much more likely to be killed in a car crash if that is the case.


Snip: In February, before coronavirus hit North Texas, the state’s 17,279 licensed and registered child care centers and homes were caring for an estimated 1.1 million children, according to the Health and Human Services Commission. As of June 19, there were 12,196 facilities open.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
31. I think these 5 docs are pretty much in line with mainstream pediatricians.
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 07:25 PM
Jul 2020

The American Academy of Pediatrics’s originally stated that policy considerations for the coming school year should start with a goal of having students physically present in school.

They walked that back a bit this week, saying it depended on local conditions and public public health considerations in mind.

Point is, these 5 docs are not quacks, out of touch with mainstream pediatricians.

I tend to agree that we should do everything reasonably possible to open schools as early as possible. Otherwise, we have little more than a home-schooling system, with roughly half the kids in a right wing home-school. Schools don't have to be open everyday, and there are other things that can be done to minimize risks.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
43. Then mainstream pediatricians need to educate themselves.
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 07:48 PM
Jul 2020

There are lots of cases in daycares. Many daycares opened then were forced to close.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
45. Some are still open too. Here's a poll of epidemiologists in June. 70% said open schools by Fall.
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 07:52 PM
Jul 2020

"We asked more than 500 epidemiologists and infectious disease specialists when they expect to restart 20 activities of daily life, assuming that the coronavirus pandemic and the public health response to it unfold as they expect. On sending children to school, camp or child care, 70 percent said they would do so either right now, later this summer or in the fall — much sooner than most said they would resume other activities that involved big groups of people gathering indoors. Others, though, said they would wait for a vaccine, which could take a year or more."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/upshot/epidemiologists-decisions-children-school-coronavirus.html

Arkansas Granny

(31,514 posts)
54. I think a lot of the problem lies with the fact that Trump and his administration can't be trusted
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 07:59 PM
Jul 2020

to tell us the truth about this pandemic and it has made many people very suspicious of information, regardless the source, that doesn't sound rational or reasonable.

As an example, in the early days we were told by the ecperts that wearing a mask wasn't effective and we shouldn't be buying them. This never made sense to me because at the same time we were being told that the medical community was at high risk because masks were in short supply. Now the experts are urging everyone to wear masks.

We've seen time after time how government agencies change their stories to conform to Trump's wishes (altered hurricane predictions). I don't think it's unreasonable at all for parents to question sending their children back to school.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
58. Agree 100%. If Obama were leading this we'd all feel better. But, just because it's trump,
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 08:04 PM
Jul 2020

doesn't mean we shouldn't proceed with opening, even if it has to be delayed when the time comes.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
98. Agree 100%. But, I think we have to make decisions on kids' futures
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 11:45 PM
Jul 2020

whether or not it’s what trump wants.

I wouldn’t vote for trump if he personally developed a cure for CV19, cancer, etc. That was true before he was elected.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
99. You are badly wrong. I think we should do what's best for kids, whether or not
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 11:48 PM
Jul 2020

it’s what trump wants.

I wouldn’t vote for trump if he personally developed a cure for CV19, cancer, etc. That was true before he was elected.

LuckyCharms

(17,425 posts)
32. Pediatricians?
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 07:25 PM
Jul 2020

They are not epidemiologists, and it seems that even the epidemiologists are learning something terrifyingly new about this virus every day.

These pediatricians are irresponsible pricks making statements about one risk outweighing another, because that depends on individual circumstances, including health of the children, health of their family members, and their specific locale...among many other factors.

But all these fuckers have to do is to go on TV and spout nonsense, and people will eat it up without thinking.

Fuckers.

Just like it was safe to open up everything way too early. Right you fucking assholes?

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
35. It's narcissistic behavior imo.
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 07:31 PM
Jul 2020

Disappointed in NBC, unless they were pediatricians actively involved in virus research or something.

LuckyCharms

(17,425 posts)
42. I'm furious today.
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 07:47 PM
Jul 2020

I told my wife when everything started to open up against CDC recommendations..."watch what is going to happen in a few weeks...all of the people in charge are going to be running around with their hair on fire....HOW DID THIS HAPPEN? WE MAY HAVE OPENED UP TOO SOON! WE MAY HAVE TO CLOSE AGAIN!

The same thing will happen if schools are opened in the fall. The reason? No one is speaking to the American people in a way that stresses clearly that this thing is bad, real bad. We don't know how to sacrifice. We are not innovative anymore. We can't figure out how to educate children in a different manner for just one school year. Rush, rush, rush...get everything back to normal. Yes, there is a lot we don't yet know about this virus....but I need a goddamn haircut. I can't drink beer at home, I need to be in a bar. Put a mask on? I'M AN AMERICAN GODDAMMIT!!! A couple of nail salons have become hotspots where I live. Nail salons! Jesussss Christttt.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
40. Here's poll of 500 epidemiologists in June about schools. 70% said open in Fall or sooner.
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 07:46 PM
Jul 2020

"We asked more than 500 epidemiologists and infectious disease specialists when they expect to restart 20 activities of daily life, assuming that the coronavirus pandemic and the public health response to it unfold as they expect. On sending children to school, camp or child care, 70 percent said they would do so either right now, later this summer or in the fall — much sooner than most said they would resume other activities that involved big groups of people gathering indoors. Others, though, said they would wait for a vaccine, which could take a year or more."





https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/upshot/epidemiologists-decisions-children-school-coronavirus.html

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
47. Assuming "the public health response to it unfold as they expect"
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 07:54 PM
Jul 2020

I can't read it because of the paywall, but I'd prefer to see an update from June. New cases were decreasing until early June.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
49. Did you try reading it. NYT's is providing a lot of CV19 stuff free.
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 07:55 PM
Jul 2020

Another quote, albeit cherry-picked:

"Several said school was so important — both for their own careers and for their children’s development — that they were willing to take a risk that they would not for something less valuable."

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
51. Yes, I clicked your link.
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 07:56 PM
Jul 2020

It's almost entirely grayed-out.

Edit: I have the NYT app, and get some free articles that way, but clicking the link took me to the app automatically and only showed part of the headline. Plus the reminder that I should subscribe.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
56. A few more quotes for you -- again, cherry-picked.
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 08:02 PM
Jul 2020

“Unlike dining out, there is a far more substantial cost to keeping kids out of school.”
Arijit Nandi, McGill University
Would do it this fall
And here are comments from 129 more:


“Two of my three children are in full-time child care again and have been back for a month.”

“As of right now, I’m comfortable with the idea of my middle schooler going back to in-person classes in the fall (starting in August), which it sounds like is currently the plan for our school district.”

“Day care is still safe if the groups are small and stable.”

“Day cares will open for my children at the middle to end of June, and they are following strict hygiene rules. I have a lot of confidence in the staff and organization at the day cares.”

“I have three kids: two college students and one high school student. Regardless of the progress of the pandemic, I think it is critical to have some form of in-person education starting in the fall.”

“If the schools open, I am OK with taking the risk to send my two children (both will be in high school) to school.”

“Willing to take more risks with this, even though it’s not a low-risk activity, as it is more ‘necessary’ than other, lower-risk activities.”


There are also some responses, against reopening.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
60. Thanks for the text.
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 08:07 PM
Jul 2020

We'll see what develops by Fall. I'm not making a declaration one way or the other, but just want us to follow the evidence and the science.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
63. I believe we plan to reopen. As the date gets closer, we may have to push it back.
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 08:09 PM
Jul 2020

It might be a regional thing too. I don't know. But, I know I'm not for just saying we shouldn't open until well into 2021.

rockfordfile

(8,702 posts)
96. you have some pos folks there
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 11:21 PM
Jul 2020

"Regardless of the progress of the pandemic"? sounds like something trump would say

LuckyCharms

(17,425 posts)
52. When a large percentage of people do not follow recommendations...
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 07:57 PM
Jul 2020

the public health response is most likely not going to unfold as predicted in any study, unless an accurate "human stupidity factor" has been folded into the study.

Our number one priority right now should be a national response to this pandemic, not state by state, and not by addressing what stays open and what stays closed, but rather, how to defeat this virus.

The very manner in which this whole thing is being approached is irresponsible, and is like a death by a thousand cuts.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
59. Given the HORRIBLE results in the USA...
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 08:04 PM
Jul 2020

... compared to pretty much everyone else, it's also going to be hard to even try to imitate other countries in regard to specific policies like schools.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
64. Look, I agree the blame is on trump's admin. But, we can't just stop trying because trump is a loser
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 08:11 PM
Jul 2020

LuckyCharms

(17,425 posts)
71. Hoyt, I understand and respect your point, but what I am saying is that...
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 08:19 PM
Jul 2020

The cat is out of the bag, and it is going to take some real pain and sacrifice to fix things.

In my opinion, it can't be done piecemeal.

I want everything shut down that can be shut down until this is gone. The goal will be reached much quicker that way. Of course, a lot of money now would have to be thrown at families if this were to be done, but that's the price we as a country pay for messing up so bad.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
76. Agree 100%, except over what aspects of society we should just write-off, particularly schools.
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 08:23 PM
Jul 2020

We could shut all that other stuff down right now, as part of opening schools in September for one or two days a week. Unfortunately, we don't have coordination at national level.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
116. Sending kids to school without gating data is not smart though, I don't get this !! We're missing
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 11:17 AM
Jul 2020

... mass exposure rate in the US knowing in the other countries that have bottomed out infections have closed down schools.

Phoenix61

(17,002 posts)
39. So adults infect children but children don't infect adults?
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 07:43 PM
Jul 2020

Really? How the fuck does that work? Is covid checking ID’s like the bouncer at a bar?

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
107. 500 day Care people caught covid-19 in two weeks in Texas during June.
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 05:20 AM
Jul 2020

These f****** don't know what the hell they're talking about

ananda

(28,858 posts)
62. Boy the murder-suicide cult is strong!
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 08:08 PM
Jul 2020

They just won't quit, will they?

Now they've got pediatricians lined up to help them.

How many people have to suffer through this Covid
tragedy before they are stopped????

And yes, this is a real tragedy for all of America.
That it's getting worse instead of better speaks volumes
for the level of denial and sociopathy it takes to literally
promote more sickness and death and, ultimately, a
complete economic collapse before this is all over.

Sheesh!

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
67. Child to adult is very rare?
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 08:11 PM
Jul 2020

How would virus particles know how old the person who breathes them in is?

This is stupid. Children expelling virus particles are just as contagious to any age.

Young children don’t understand social distancing, or even covering their mouth when they sneeze or cough.

People think we’re stupid.

mackdaddy

(1,525 posts)
117. What data are they basing this on?? I have not seen much on children being tested.
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 12:03 PM
Jul 2020

They shut down the schools pretty early, and as I understand it very few kids get symptoms. But have there been any studies on kids and their rates of transmissions?

Last fall the local schools shut down for about a week because of the high numbers of of the standard seasonal flu. And this was months before the covid19 outbreaks.

Opinions not based on any data are just guesses.

This feels like when even Fauci was pushing the "no mask" idea even when the rest of the world was wearing masks.

Just found this story of thousands of Pediatricians AGAINST the widespread opening of schools.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/thousands-us-pediatricians-warn-against-184243725.html

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,324 posts)
74. Yeah, they should have no problem social distancing in schools.
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 08:21 PM
Jul 2020

And masks should be a breeze in schools with no air conditioning.

With the over staffing of maintenance personnel cleaning and sterilizing should be no problem.

 

BGBD

(3,282 posts)
79. maybe transmission from children to adults is rare because...
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 08:45 PM
Jul 2020

schools has been closed since March and kids have mostly caught it from parents bringing into the home. If you open schools, children are going to be a significant vector for illness.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
81. Completely wrong.
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 08:52 PM
Jul 2020

The virus will spread like wildfire through the schools and be carried home just like the common cold or the seasonal flu.

Closed, indoor setting is what the 🦠 likes.

82. Good questions seen on Facebook re: Teachers and students
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 09:01 PM
Jul 2020

Hey Betsy,
• If a teacher tests positive for COVID-19 are they required to quarantine for 2-3 weeks? Is their sick leave covered, paid?
• If that teacher has 5 classes a day with 30 students each, do all 150 of those students need to then stay home and quarantine for 14 days?
• Do all 150 of those students now have to get tested? Who pays for those tests? Are they happening at school? How are the parents being notified? Does everyone in each of those kids' families need to get tested? Who pays for that?
• What if someone who lives in the same house as a teacher tests positive? Does that teacher now need to take 14 days off of work to quarantine? Is that time off covered? Paid?
• Where is the district going to find a substitute teacher who will work in a classroom full of exposed, possibly infected students for substitute pay?
• Substitutes teach in multiple schools. What if they are diagnosed with COVID-19? Do all the kids in each school now have to quarantine and get tested? Who is going to pay for that?
• What if a student in your kid's class tests positive? What if your kid tests positive? Does every other student and teacher they have been around quarantine? Do we all get notified who is infected and when? Or because of HIPAA regulations are parents and teachers just going to get mysterious “may have been in contact” emails all year long?
• What is this stress going to do to our teachers? How does it affect their health and well-being? How does it affect their ability to teach? How does it affect the quality of education they are able to provide? What is it going to do to our kids? What are the long-term effects of consistently being stressed out?
• How will it affect students and faculty when the first teacher in their school dies from this? The first parent of a student who brought it home? The first kid?
• How many more people are going to die, that otherwise would not have if we had stayed home longer?
30% of the teachers in the US are over 50. About 16% of the total deaths in the US are people between the ages of 45-65.
We are choosing to put our teachers in danger.
We're not paying them more.
We aren't spending anywhere near the right amount to protect them. And in turn, we are putting ourselves and our kids in danger.

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
83. It's no secret that children are at much lower risk of contracting COVID-19.
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 09:05 PM
Jul 2020

So consulting pediatricians is pretty much counter-intuitive.

Is there a comparable discussion with GPs about the risk to,...ya know... the staff and relatives who actually are at risk?

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
87. They can contract covid just fine.
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 09:50 PM
Jul 2020

They are at much lower risk of developing severe symptoms. A lot are likely asymptomatic. So they are less likely to be tested than adults.
There have been many cases in daycares, in states where covid is spiking, such as TX.

pstokely

(10,525 posts)
127. the issue asymptomatic kids becoming spreaders
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 12:30 AM
Jul 2020

spreading it to higher risk school faculty and household members

GeorgeGist

(25,319 posts)
88. 2 out of 5 seemed to be somewhat versed on the virus ...
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 09:55 PM
Jul 2020

the other 3 no more so than most DUers.

IMO NBC didn't search very hard for 'experts'.

BannonsLiver

(16,369 posts)
121. Well we do have a lot of holiday inn express platinum club members here
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 03:58 PM
Jul 2020

Or as I like to call it, “DU Expert’n”

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
89. New York Times: Internal CDC documents warn full reopening of schools is 'highest risk'...
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 10:08 PM
Jul 2020

... for coronavirus spread.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/11/politics/cdc-documents-warn-high-risk-schools-reopening/index.html


(CNN) Internal documents from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention warned that fully reopening K-12 schools and universities would be the "highest risk" for the spread of coronavirus, according to a New York Times report, as President Donald Trump and his administration push for students and teachers to return in-person to classrooms.

The 69-page document obtained by the Times marked "For Internal Use Only" was among materials for federal public health response teams deployed to coronavirus hotspots to help local public health officials handle the outbreak, the newspaper reported.

The document was circulated this week, the Times reported, as Trump slammed the CDC guidelines around reopening schools and he, Vice President Mike Pence and Education Secretary Betsy DeVos increased their pressure on schools to fully reopen by the fall.

It is unclear whether the President viewed the CDC document, according to the Times.

CNN has reached out to the CDC and the White House and has not yet received a response.

Alliepoo

(2,215 posts)
92. This BS absolutely infuriated me.
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 10:29 PM
Jul 2020

It’s just unbelievable that the media is now in on the big push to send our kiddos back to school to marinate in covid soup on the school busses, to sit in a classroom and breathe in the air that a class full of fellow students is spewing their breath in to. I don’t give a crap if they go to a hybrid schedule. One day in the clusterfu** of sending our kiddos back to school is all it would take to make a bunch of kids/teachers/admin etc sick. Those pediatricians are welcome to use their kids as guinea pigs. I personally think they’re raving idiots. Too much we don’t know yet. It’s not worth the risk to our kids. They should be concentrating on getting virtual classrooms going and use that for the foreseeable future until we get a handle on this virus or there’s a vaccine available.

 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
118. Its not just kids in school rooms, its teachers, busdrivers, janitors, cooks, front office people
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 03:16 PM
Jul 2020

BannonsLiver

(16,369 posts)
110. Guess I need to add pediatrics and pediatricians to my CV19 trash by keyword filter
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 07:15 AM
Jul 2020

I’m delightfully close to a politics only experience!

GoCubsGo

(32,079 posts)
111. So, if there's "no threat", why would they need to social distance?
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 07:45 AM
Jul 2020

All five of them should have their medical licenses revoked for spreading this shit. Are they trying to drum up added business or what?

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