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Only 3,700 actually showed up? Really only 3,700? About 1/2 planned for?? (Original Post) bobbieinok Jul 2020 OP
And he woulda gotten away with it too Cirque du So-What Jul 2020 #1
Bwaaahaaaaa! MontanaMama Jul 2020 #8
It's all down hill from here malaise Jul 2020 #2
I understand they banded the chairs together CatWoman Jul 2020 #5
that's appalling NJCher Jul 2020 #10
Now we know why they did that. Dem2theMax Jul 2020 #12
The zip ties were required by the fire marshall. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jul 2020 #20
They really were required by the fire marshal? Dem2theMax Jul 2020 #24
This from CNN: LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jul 2020 #42
Son of a gun! Dem2theMax Jul 2020 #43
"Additionally, the zip tied chairs then cannot be used as a weapon." Dark n Stormy Knight Jul 2020 #45
That just seems ridiculous to me. Ms. Toad Jul 2020 #48
I know. Doesn't it just break your heart? leftieNanner Jul 2020 #3
Where does that number come from? (It looked pretty packed.) nt tblue37 Jul 2020 #4
illusion my dear CatWoman Jul 2020 #7
Ageed. sheshe2 Jul 2020 #17
The Shot... lame54 Jul 2020 #26
too bad for Trump that he looked sweating and bloated and constipated dawg day Jul 2020 #36
I didn't notice... lame54 Jul 2020 #41
the National Park Service onethatcares Jul 2020 #13
Thanks. nt tblue37 Jul 2020 #15
The seats weren't tie wrapped together in hopes of a super spreader event. paleotn Jul 2020 #30
Where did you see the attendance number? nt avebury Jul 2020 #6
In a post at DU. Don't remember who posted. Or source bobbieinok Jul 2020 #11
Here's a link from ABC blogslut Jul 2020 #14
Thanks. nt tblue37 Jul 2020 #16
the video that played said he played to a packed house...... getagrip_already Jul 2020 #33
It's relative, isn't it? blogslut Jul 2020 #34
Maybe he could crash the Sturgis MC rally in August. doc03 Jul 2020 #9
Maybe he'll hop on someone's hog and take it for a spin at high speeds on a rainy day w/ no helmet. Scurrilous Jul 2020 #19
Think he knows how to drive? Iggo Jul 2020 #44
Barr riding reverse cowboy? lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #47
LOL Scurrilous Jul 2020 #49
A huge number of the people there are Drs, Dentists, Greybnk48 Jul 2020 #27
A huge number of the people there are Drs, Dentists, Greybnk48 Jul 2020 #28
People really need to stop painting bikers as tRumphumpers Squidly Jul 2020 #38
It appears that shithole enjoys spreading COVID-19 to Iliyah Jul 2020 #18
He's culling the herd under putin's instructions. StarryNite Jul 2020 #37
Aw, poor widdle God Emperor Donald's gonna be maaaaaad Grokenstein Jul 2020 #21
LOL. I haven't sseen him at all on CNN giving his Ilsa Jul 2020 #22
That's probably not much more than a normal 4th of July holiday weekend at Mt Rushmore wishstar Jul 2020 #23
Spot on! Dreampuff Jul 2020 #39
great interesting dynamics I think.... Locrian Jul 2020 #25
How many were they expecting @the Mount Rushmore covidpalooza? onetexan Jul 2020 #29
Everything about this presidency is fake. paleotn Jul 2020 #31
As Jerry Seinfeld would say "That's a shame" Earth Bound Misfit Jul 2020 #32
Remote area, no Covid precautions... dawg day Jul 2020 #35
All paid Russian actors at $1000* apiece... griloco Jul 2020 #40
It's easy to tell the attendance was a disappointment gratuitous Jul 2020 #46

malaise

(268,698 posts)
2. It's all down hill from here
Sat Jul 4, 2020, 06:10 PM
Jul 2020

He knew and could not fake the mood to excite his fellow virus spreaders - good!
It will get worse.

CatWoman

(79,293 posts)
5. I understand they banded the chairs together
Sat Jul 4, 2020, 06:12 PM
Jul 2020

I suppose it was done so there weren't pockets of empty seats

Dem2theMax

(9,637 posts)
12. Now we know why they did that.
Sat Jul 4, 2020, 06:16 PM
Jul 2020

They wanted to make it look like the place was packed.

It was packed all right. With a whole bunch of Covid-19, just waiting to attach itself to a whole bunch of stupid people.

20. The zip ties were required by the fire marshall.
Sat Jul 4, 2020, 07:04 PM
Jul 2020

The purpose is to keep the aisles clear in case of an emergency evacuation, so chairs won't get thrown in the way.

It sure looks sinister, though. And definitely something the Trump campaign would do. They're probably pissed that they didn't think of it first.

Dem2theMax

(9,637 posts)
24. They really were required by the fire marshal?
Sat Jul 4, 2020, 07:10 PM
Jul 2020

I don't doubt you. But I've been in many a situation where the same type of chairs have been set up and they weren't zip tied together. And a lot of those situations were indoors, where a fire would be a lot worse than if you were outdoors.

At least when you're outdoors, you have a lot of options in which way to run. If you are indoors, you only have a few options.

42. This from CNN:
Sat Jul 4, 2020, 09:20 PM
Jul 2020

Despite social distancing guidelines from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that say people in large gatherings should wear face masks and attempt to stay at least six feet apart, there are hundreds of black plastic folding seats linked together with plastic ties at the Mount Rushmore National Memorial amphitheater, where President Trump is expected to attend, speak and view a fireworks show tonight.

"Folding chairs at an event like these need to be zip tied together by code, per a public safety official involved with the event," a public safety official tells CNN. "In case of an emergency, like a fire event or a storm or anything that would cause people to quickly move out, the zip ties would ensure that the chairs will not be easily knocked over or fly into egress paths — moving a full row of chairs, rather than one or two. Additionally, the zip tied chairs then cannot be used as a weapon.
"

About 2/3 the way down the page.

Dem2theMax

(9,637 posts)
43. Son of a gun!
Sat Jul 4, 2020, 09:31 PM
Jul 2020

I just did a Google Search and sure enough, they do have codes to enforce tying chairs together. Amazing!

I'm flabbergasted. But I found a whole bunch of examples. Thank you for the information.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
45. "Additionally, the zip tied chairs then cannot be used as a weapon."
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 12:01 AM
Jul 2020

FFS, if that's a major concern at a gathering, so much so that you need to tie the chairs together, I'm just staying home forever.

Ms. Toad

(33,992 posts)
48. That just seems ridiculous to me.
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 01:05 AM
Jul 2020

If you need to get out quickly, you don't want have to move the entire row of chairs to escape.

sheshe2

(83,654 posts)
17. Ageed.
Sat Jul 4, 2020, 06:32 PM
Jul 2020

The only photos they showed were close short shots. If there were more they would have shown them. I doubt there were even 3K there.

lame54

(35,262 posts)
26. The Shot...
Sat Jul 4, 2020, 07:19 PM
Jul 2020

Trump saluting
Pull back to military band and Trump saluting
Cut to fly-over
Cut to full shot of crowd, a band, stage where is still saluting, 2 giant screens of waving flags and mount rushmore in the background
Cut to jets flying over mount rushmore

The Ultimate Photo-Op
They got it
Expect to see it again and again

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
36. too bad for Trump that he looked sweating and bloated and constipated
Sat Jul 4, 2020, 08:31 PM
Jul 2020

That won't look good in an ad.

paleotn

(17,884 posts)
30. The seats weren't tie wrapped together in hopes of a super spreader event.
Sat Jul 4, 2020, 07:33 PM
Jul 2020

They did it for optics, so people couldn't spread out like they did in Tulsa. On Faux News it looks like a packed stadium.

blogslut

(37,982 posts)
14. Here's a link from ABC
Sat Jul 4, 2020, 06:19 PM
Jul 2020
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-mount-rushmore-controversy-fireworks-personal-fascination/story?id=71595321

...His speech, attended by about 3,700 people, came as many states are rolling back their reopening plans and as the country posted another record-breaking day in the number of diagnosed coronavirus cases...

getagrip_already

(14,621 posts)
33. the video that played said he played to a packed house......
Sat Jul 4, 2020, 08:03 PM
Jul 2020

Is abc gaslighting or were the seats full (including 1700 active duty soldiers)?

blogslut

(37,982 posts)
34. It's relative, isn't it?
Sat Jul 4, 2020, 08:18 PM
Jul 2020

The thing was held at the park's amphitheater and from what I have googled, the seating capacity is about 2500. Add, press, crew, security and hangers on and 3700 sounds about right.





https://www.nps.gov/moru/learn/historyculture/keeping-up-with-the-times.htm

Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)
19. Maybe he'll hop on someone's hog and take it for a spin at high speeds on a rainy day w/ no helmet.
Sat Jul 4, 2020, 06:39 PM
Jul 2020

With Barr riding b word.

Greybnk48

(10,162 posts)
27. A huge number of the people there are Drs, Dentists,
Sat Jul 4, 2020, 07:22 PM
Jul 2020

and Lawyers on wildly expensive bikes doing cosplay.

Greybnk48

(10,162 posts)
28. A huge number of the people there are Drs, Dentists,
Sat Jul 4, 2020, 07:26 PM
Jul 2020

and Lawyers on wildly expensive bikes doing cosplay.

Squidly

(783 posts)
38. People really need to stop painting bikers as tRumphumpers
Sat Jul 4, 2020, 08:56 PM
Jul 2020

I know MANY bikers that are staunch Democrats. The stereotyping makes me ill.

StarryNite

(9,435 posts)
37. He's culling the herd under putin's instructions.
Sat Jul 4, 2020, 08:39 PM
Jul 2020

He may lose a few of his cult followers but he figures they will spread it to older people who are more at risk of dying and falling off the Social Security payroll.

Grokenstein

(5,721 posts)
21. Aw, poor widdle God Emperor Donald's gonna be maaaaaad
Sat Jul 4, 2020, 07:04 PM
Jul 2020

...that people are unwilling to die for His greater glory and His "numbers." How can He brag about "ratings" if people won't sacrifice their lives for Him? But no worries, I'm sure He'll handle it with the sort of emotional maturity the office requires, the sort that He's shown His entire liaaaahahahahahahahaohfuckme

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
22. LOL. I haven't sseen him at all on CNN giving his
Sat Jul 4, 2020, 07:07 PM
Jul 2020

Political speech, and MSNBC interrupted it to talk about him.

Dreampuff

(778 posts)
39. Spot on!
Sat Jul 4, 2020, 09:10 PM
Jul 2020

Mount Rushmore has 3 million visitors per year and considering that most go during the summer and 4th of July is one of the biggest days, this number is a pittance. Besides seating space, there is a lot of natural space in the area so many thousand can actually visit at once. It looks like a nice little covid-nest.

Locrian

(4,522 posts)
25. great interesting dynamics I think....
Sat Jul 4, 2020, 07:12 PM
Jul 2020

I hope this is a start of a *beautiful* trend...
Seems to me what enables a lot of the MAGA crowd is their perceived "strength in numbers".
This may mean that (being the cowards they are) they will start to trickle away and hopefully turn on him as the "loser" he is.



dawg day

(7,947 posts)
35. Remote area, no Covid precautions...
Sat Jul 4, 2020, 08:29 PM
Jul 2020

Only the nutso ones would go.

Maybe all the crazed Trumpers we're constantly seeing on TV being interviewed aren't very representative.

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