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Tue Jun 30, 2020, 04:28 PM

I didn't believe it at the time, but it's looking more and more likely...

Some folks were throwing out a predicted death toll of 200-250k by election day. At the time I was thinking "No way!"

I'm losing that feeling as each day goes by. Someone needs to stomp on the brakes here, and there's nobody at the wheel.

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Reply I didn't believe it at the time, but it's looking more and more likely... (Original post)
Wounded Bear Jun 2020 OP
leftieNanner Jun 2020 #1
leftyladyfrommo Jun 2020 #13
jayschool2013 Jun 2020 #25
SunSeeker Jun 2020 #29
jayschool2013 Jun 2020 #30
bdamomma Jun 2020 #52
Name removed Jun 2020 #46
misanthrope Jun 2020 #49
Hekate Jul 2020 #68
misanthrope Jul 2020 #69
Hekate Jul 2020 #70
treestar Jul 2020 #73
misanthrope Jul 2020 #76
Danmel Jun 2020 #61
leftieNanner Jul 2020 #75
Hekate Jul 2020 #67
PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2020 #2
CrispyQ Jun 2020 #7
misanthrope Jun 2020 #50
BamaRefugee Jun 2020 #3
Newest Reality Jun 2020 #4
MontanaMama Jun 2020 #5
aggiesal Jun 2020 #35
Tink41 Jun 2020 #6
Wounded Bear Jun 2020 #8
Ms. Toad Jun 2020 #11
Blue_true Jun 2020 #51
PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2020 #63
Blue_true Jul 2020 #77
Tink41 Jun 2020 #53
Ms. Toad Jun 2020 #56
Alacritous Crier Jun 2020 #9
SunSeeker Jun 2020 #31
Ms. Toad Jun 2020 #10
ProfessorGAC Jun 2020 #12
Thekaspervote Jun 2020 #16
Ms. Toad Jun 2020 #21
sarge43 Jun 2020 #43
leftyladyfrommo Jun 2020 #14
smirkymonkey Jun 2020 #22
leftyladyfrommo Jun 2020 #23
SunSeeker Jun 2020 #36
paleotn Jun 2020 #45
Blue_true Jun 2020 #55
smirkymonkey Jun 2020 #58
Thekaspervote Jun 2020 #15
SunSeeker Jun 2020 #37
Jarqui Jun 2020 #17
SunSeeker Jun 2020 #38
Cartaphelius Jun 2020 #40
former9thward Jun 2020 #59
Jarqui Jun 2020 #64
Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2020 #71
former9thward Jul 2020 #72
BigmanPigman Jun 2020 #18
aggiesal Jun 2020 #41
BigmanPigman Jun 2020 #44
MR. ELECTABLE Jun 2020 #57
aggiesal Jul 2020 #66
lettucebe Jun 2020 #19
Garion_55 Jun 2020 #20
AlexSFCA Jun 2020 #24
plimsoll Jun 2020 #26
warmfeet Jun 2020 #27
Maeve Jun 2020 #28
Woodwizard Jun 2020 #32
niyad Jun 2020 #33
SunSeeker Jun 2020 #34
bdamomma Jun 2020 #54
bucolic_frolic Jun 2020 #39
BarbD Jun 2020 #42
Roc2020 Jun 2020 #47
marie999 Jun 2020 #48
Demovictory9 Jun 2020 #60
Sogo Jun 2020 #62
progressoid Jul 2020 #65
ecstatic Jul 2020 #74

Response to Wounded Bear (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 04:32 PM

1. My niece got married last Sunday

70 people, no masks, no distancing, lots of drinking and laughing and dancing.

We did not attend.

Hoping like hell there aren't a bunch of very sick people in two weeks. Or worse.

SMH

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Response to leftieNanner (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 05:14 PM

13. That is just plain stupid but people everywhere are

doing the same thing. I think people just are so tired of being careful they are willing to take chances.

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Response to leftieNanner (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 06:26 PM

25. I hope your family remains healthy, but seriously

Between October 1929 and August 1945, this country was either in an economic depression or a global war. The vast majority of its citizens sacrificed their own comfort for the greater good. Gas, sugar, coffee, nylon stockings were rationed during WWII. We collected scrap metal for the manufacture of ammunition and war machinery. We grew Victory Gardens to feed our families so mass-produced foods could go to our soldiers, sailors, pilots and Marines. But now, three months wearing a mask to go grocery shopping is too much. Not being able to drink in a tavern with crowds of others for a short time is a bridge too far. Cutting one's own hair somehow equates to Stalinism ... or Nazism or some other nonsense. Talk about a country of wimps.

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Response to jayschool2013 (Reply #25)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 06:39 PM

29. Well, back then FDR was President and he set the tone.

Trump is setting the current tone. Trump is the anti-FDR.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #29)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 06:40 PM

30. So true. NT

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #29)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 07:53 PM

52. setting the tone

to hate and division, and some in our society are trying to stop the hate and division. tRump loves chaos and death.

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Response to jayschool2013 (Reply #25)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 07:41 PM

49. In the eight decades since then

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American culture has become drastically more materialistic. It was easy for the creators of want to cultivate this in our society when the great hypnotic cathode tube moved into nearly every home. Madison Avenue's reprogramming was complete.

Americans began to "need" more and more things, bigger and bigger homes, flashier, shinier. In the latter half of that period, technology was able to stoke demands for immediate gratification. Now, people have no patience, with each other, with their wants, with the natural flow of time and science. Community takes a back seat to individual selfishness.

That's what people like me mean when we doubt modern society has what it takes to weather a one-two punch like the Great Depression followed by World War II.

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Response to misanthrope (Reply #49)

Wed Jul 1, 2020, 02:54 AM

68. I think we're experiencing a perfect storm here in the US...

Trump and Treason. Pandemic. Mismanagement of pandemic blowing up every last delusion about class and work and healthcare. Economic collapse. Civil unrest on a massive scale.

Sometimes hubs and I sit and watch the news — I shake my head and say, “I never thought it could happen so fast, and he murmurs, “Weimar Republic.”

So that’s our cheery take on it. Perfect storm.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #68)

Wed Jul 1, 2020, 03:06 AM

69. I think the civil unrest only seems more widespread

than it really is because of cable news coverage. There are plenty of places throughout the nation where any modest protests that take place are pretty innocuous. I also have doubts they will last through the end of summer because Americans are so easily distracted.

When you have to fill a wheelbarrow with cash in order to buy a loaf of bread, we'll be at Weimar levels.

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Response to misanthrope (Reply #69)

Wed Jul 1, 2020, 03:43 AM

70. Good point

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Response to misanthrope (Reply #49)

Wed Jul 1, 2020, 08:18 AM

73. All that advertising about what you deserve

And should have. It changed the mindset. No sense of community any more.

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Response to treestar (Reply #73)

Wed Jul 1, 2020, 01:22 PM

76. Oh, completely

Capitalism has to be countered with a strong ethos, or mythos, about community and altruism or it devours itself.

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Response to leftieNanner (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 09:49 PM

61. I'm sorry

We postponed our daughter's wedding until next October. Shes disappointed but really would be upset putting everyone at risk. People are just kind of dense and disappointing.

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Response to Danmel (Reply #61)

Wed Jul 1, 2020, 12:23 PM

75. I have another friend whose daughter was married this summer

They had a beautiful intimate ceremony with only immediate family and they shared it on line in real time. It was lovely and, in its own way, very special.

Good luck.

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Response to leftieNanner (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 1, 2020, 02:45 AM

67. I know exactly how you feel, Nanner

You just can’t predict what family will do, and we’ve got a doozy in ours. Fingers crossed.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 04:34 PM

2. It will easily be a total deaths well above 200k by November.

Unless the entire country shuts down again, people are absolutely blocked from going into stores, churches, schools, you name it, without being masked. And everyone observes social distancing.

But that shut down isn't going to happen. Yeah, some states are rolling back a bit about opening up, but what's probably going to happen is that cases/deaths will drop a little, they'll open up again, cases/deaths will spike, they'll shut a little bit down. At least into the fall. And then, if that potentially pandemic-causing flu virus gets out of China, we'll have something of a disease trifecta happening. Covid-19, influenza, and all the other things that are getting out of hand because of this.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 04:45 PM

7. And barreling down on us without slowing it's pace, is climate change.

Heat waves, hurricanes, tornadoes, wildfires, floods.

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #7)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 07:44 PM

50. Appears the sheets are going to chafe a bit

in this bed we've made for ourselves.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 04:34 PM

3. My drummer got married 2 weeks ago. ON ZOOM. No reported infections!

And all of us watching loved it, even me from 3000 miles away.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 04:39 PM

4. With so many...

With so many unpatriotic and dishonorable people who insist on being facially naked in public places and may not even care about social distancing, what can we do?

To conflate their personal freedom with these absolute necessities is a false narrative and a statement from our lowest common denominators all things considered.

They are participating in a stubborn and relentless race to extreme illness, organ failure, brain damage and potentially lifelong disabilities and death and trying to drag everyone along with them.

That's what I call obscene, deplorable and ignorant.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 04:42 PM

5. Well it took 4 months for us to get to 126,000...

If we don’t do any mitigation between now and November, we will be above 250,000 most likely.

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Response to MontanaMama (Reply #5)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 06:58 PM

35. And that's when the numbers were lower than they are today ...

so 250,000 is realistically, not out of the question.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 04:45 PM

6. Father's day

Family gathering 8-10 ppl. I did not attend despite gentle pressure from family. This morning I receive call from 80+ yr old dad, he is sick, short of breath, fatigued. I had just read interviews w 15 epidemiologists as to their thoughts on when it would be "safe" to socialize again. Their thoughts are sobering. It's becoming more apparent this isn't over by a long shot, and I fear the coming economic crises come August.

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Response to Tink41 (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 04:48 PM

8. Best wishes to your father...



Or better:

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Response to Tink41 (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 05:03 PM

11. Some of us have been shouting this at the top of our lungs.

Unfortunately, no one is listening.

Sometimes, not even our families. I have a spouse who still isn't convinced of how serious it is. I'm constantly discouraging her from socializing, running out just because she can, etc.

Good luck to your father.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #11)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 07:48 PM

51. I was out shopping today and ran into one my siblings at the market.

Which in itself was strange because he lives in another part of the city.

He has comorbilities, I have none. I had on a mask and goggles. He had on nothing. I asked why he wasn't wearing a mask, he shrugged and said that it was in his vehicle.

Yeah, even family members don't take this thing seriously, even when their health says that they should.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #51)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 09:54 PM

63. There's a particular irony in the sibling with the comorbities

was the one without mask.

Did you take the time to explain to him that you probably won't be able to visit him in the ICU?

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #63)

Tue Jul 7, 2020, 07:20 PM

77. I told him to go get his damned mask. I honestly don't think that people think about

ending up in the hospital, though Florida is running out of ICU beds, the governor still is saying mostly young people that can take sars-cov-2 are getting infected, his head is firmly shoved up his ass. I was coming out of a department store a couple of hours ago and saw a NURSE entering without a facemask, it is freaking insane, more than likely she has to wear one at work. I was in Best Buy earlier and maybe 95% of everyone and 100% of employees were wearing masks, that was good to see. I actually saw a young couple come up without masks, the guy refused to enter, even as the woman tried to get him to. I was talking to a sales rep when both came in with masks on, apparently the guy went back to their vehicle and got masks.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #11)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 07:59 PM

53. I will admit

I was lulled for a minute into believing things had "cooled off". Now I remind myself every few days that nothing has changed. It terrifies me that Dr's are recommending schools open in the fall, airlines are going back to full capacity. Is someone crazy???

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Response to Tink41 (Reply #53)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 08:55 PM

56. Lots of someones.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 04:52 PM

9. I'm still sticking with...

300K by Election Day.

This is the DU member formerly known as Alacritous Crier.

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Response to Alacritous Crier (Reply #9)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 06:43 PM

31. Yup. We're 126 days from Nov. 3. We're at 130k dead and losing 1,000 a day.

300k by Nov. 3 seems pretty likely.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 05:00 PM

10. Deaths have been declining, still

But even if they just hold steady at 600/day, that ould put us at ~205,000

It seems to be less fatal than it used to be, but as rapidly as cases are increasing I'm sure the daily deaths will rise.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #10)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 05:11 PM

12. On That Point...

I was looking at FL demographics yesterday.
The proportion of people under 30 was way higher recently than the overall US proportion.
Since those folks don't die at the same percentage, that might explain the declining death per cases rate.
It's only one state, so I'm broadly extrapolating.
Here in Illinois the death rate is down, but just modestly. Yesterday under 5%, day before 2%. Kind of bobbing up & down.
But positivity rate has averaged 2.7 the last 10 days.
So, less cases but deaths haven't fall by the same %.
I have not researched it, but I haven't read any substantial change in death demographics.
I guess we'll see in another 7-10 days.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #10)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 06:00 PM

16. There are things a lot worse than death..struggling with the aftermath of Covid is one of them

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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #16)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 06:10 PM

21. Absolutely. I bring that up everytime someone suggests the 40 & unders

should just get it and get it over with.

Here, though, I was just solely addressing the body count.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #21)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 07:32 PM

43. We don't yet know the long term effects

Damaged lungs, compromised immune system, ???

Secondary effects: Economy in free fall, loss of faith in government ???

Thanks Trump. You may not have burn down the world, but you've done a hellva number on our country.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 05:20 PM

14. Well and people who survive are often left with

Terrible after effects. It doesn't just disappear. It leaves people with horrible fatigue, heart damage, lung damage, liver damage.

You can't just go by the death count.

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Response to leftyladyfrommo (Reply #14)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 06:11 PM

22. I am wondering if just being infected by Covid, even if you survive it, will make people more

susceptible to getting severely ill from the common flu, bronchitis, pneumonia and other respiratory infections down the road, even if they aren't that old.

They may have made it through this round, but I have a feeling that they are setting themselves up for serious problems later in life. Especially as viruses mutate and become more virulent.

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #22)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 06:15 PM

23. That's a really good point.

I read that even people who had no symptoms had internal damage.

You really don't want to get this stuff.

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Response to leftyladyfrommo (Reply #23)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 07:01 PM

36. I read that too. "Ground glass" opacities showed up on asymptomatics' lung scans.

Their lungs were scarred, liked the symptomatic patients. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.09.20096370v1

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #36)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 07:32 PM

45. Covid-19 really, really likes lung tissue....

Apparently it replicates in lung tissue better than any other organ. Nasty bugger. Scary stuff.

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #22)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 08:06 PM

55. What was seen with SARS was that people that required hospitalization

started to die off 5 years later.

What I am afraid of with SAR-COV-2 is that it puts a marker in people that it infects. Scientists believe that immunity lasts only 2-3 months, so sans a cure or a vaccine, SARS-COV-2 can technically reinfect a person and pick up from where it left off. Some of the earliest cases of people getting sick and surviving were in China, but that is not a good observation area because China locked down tight as a drum and still reacts vigorously to infection spikes, plus China is secretive. Whether previously sick people that survive the first infection from the virus get it again and die in places like Italy or Spain is worth watching.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #55)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 09:15 PM

58. That is what is so frightening about this virus.

It ravages the lungs and the immune system. I haven't really heard much about the long term effects, but I can't imagine that those who have caught the virus will be in a good position to hold up under future viral infections. It still does damage, even if it doesn't kill you. This is why I have not left my apartment in three months. I'm quite scared of how this will play out over time.

The people who have caugh the virus - even if they were asymptomatic and survived - are still very compromised already and at a disadvantage. I suppose we will see how this plays out in the fall when our regular flu season comes in on top of this. I'm not optimistic. This could be like 1918 all over again.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 05:58 PM

15. We might just as well be Sweden without the healthcare system they have

They talk about the old being more vulnerable and larger case load, yet the mean age for Covid in the US right now is 37!

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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #15)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 07:02 PM

37. Yup, worst of both worlds!

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Response to Wounded Bear (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 06:02 PM

17. With the way the GOP and Trump have been messing with the numbers

we may already be at 250,000 dead

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Response to Jarqui (Reply #17)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 07:02 PM

38. THIS

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Response to Jarqui (Reply #17)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 07:16 PM

40. And it won't even be Halloween

 

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Response to Jarqui (Reply #17)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 09:43 PM

59. Link to evidence of that.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #59)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 10:38 PM

64. I do not have time to cite all the articles

There has been a lot of media coverage

Here are some samples:

CDC Head Estimates U.S. Coronavirus Cases Might be 10 Times Higher Than Data Show
https://time.com/5859790/cdc-coronavirus-estimates/

Florida Scientist Says She Was Fired For Not Manipulating COVID-19 Data
https://www.npr.org/2020/06/29/884551391/florida-scientist-says-she-was-fired-for-not-manipulating-covid-19-data

Nebraska Governor Defends Decision To Hide COVID-19 Stats At Specific Meatpacking Plants
Rachel Maddow slammed Gov. Pete Ricketts for failing to reveal what’s going on at plants where COVID-19 cases are exploding.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/rachel-maddow-pete-ricketts-nebraska-meatpacking-plants-coronavirus_n_5eb5ef86c5b69c4b317a69d1

Bad state data hides coronavirus threat as Trump pushes reopening
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/27/bad-state-coronavirus-data-trump-reopening-286143

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00920-w
"news agency Reuters reported that the White House had kept important COVID-19 meetings classified — even though that meant keeping information from experts who would normally be consulted — while the President trumpeted ‘all under control’, until reality forced a rapid about-face."


https://www.brookings.edu/research/the-effect-of-covid-19-and-disease-suppression-policies-on-labor-markets-a-preliminary-analysis-of-the-data/

Republican Governors appear to be suppressing COVID-19 data
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/3/29/1932338/-Republican-Governors-appear-to-be-suppressing-COVID-19-data

States accused of fudging or bungling COVID-19 testing data
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/states-accused-of-fudging-or-bungling-covid-19-testing-data-1.4944602

Coronavirus Data Is Being Concealed by the Trump Administration
https://blog.ucsusa.org/anita-desikan/coronavirus-data-being-concealed-by-trump-administration

There's lots more.

It's hard to believe that you missed it.

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Response to Jarqui (Reply #64)

Wed Jul 1, 2020, 05:02 AM

71. Thank you for taking the time to post all that!

Some I already have in my bookmarks; others are new, to me.

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Response to Jarqui (Reply #64)

Wed Jul 1, 2020, 07:21 AM

72. You are cut/pasting headlines of stories that have no meat in them,

If governors were suppressing deaths the MSM would be all over it. Not just political sites and CT blogs. I love a good CT as much as anyone but there has to be at least some meat to it or its no fun.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 06:03 PM

18. Gov Newsom is saying, "Do not have any family gatherings!!!"

"It’s family gatherings,” said Newsom, “where people let down their guard.” The governor was most concerned about people taking off masks, giving family members hugs and kisses. “Then all of a sudden, you see a spread,” he said.

He is going to impose more restrictions tomorrow and explain how it will be enforced.
https://deadline.com/2020/06/california-coronavirus-governor-gavin-newsom-tougher-regulations-enforcement-1202974163/

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #18)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 07:18 PM

41. Family gatherings is the simple source, but ...

we've opened up Bars, Gyms, Bowling Alleys, Restaurants and Churches.
So family gatherings aren't really the problem.
8,000 new cases yesterday, does not add up to family gatherings.

Close the Bars, Gyms, Bowling Alleys & Churches and watch the numbers drop.

We are all Covidiots for allowing this to happen.

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Response to aggiesal (Reply #41)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 07:32 PM

44. Newsom is going to enforce new restrictions announced tomorrow.

After opening up too early he is going to have to roll back now. EVERYBODY but some small business owners and stupid young bar and beach goers who stopped wearing masks and protested and bitched got their wish...a reopening in May/June.

Now they get to have all those things shut down again, no more rent, no more unemployment, etc. I hope they are happy. They brought this on themselves but like before the responsible people who weren't selfish, assholes like them have to suffer too. The GOP and Orange and East County "my freedumb" morons just proved how truly stupid and selfish they are.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #44)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 09:09 PM

57. I just hope Newsom closes the beaches

With beaches closed in LA and Orange County, all their idiots will be heading our way this coming weekend, not to mention the Zonies. I'm expecting a big jump in San Diego cases otherwise.

I'm not hopeful for the local government to step in, the rollback restrictions announced locally in the past day or two have been window dressing.

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Response to MR. ELECTABLE (Reply #57)

Wed Jul 1, 2020, 02:44 AM

66. Big jump? ...

We already have a big jump.
We are averaging almost 340 new cases per day over the last 7 days.
We had dropped down to near 100 per day, when Memorial day happened and starting on June 1st, numbers started heading north again

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Response to Wounded Bear (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 06:07 PM

19. I've thought 250,000k by election day since we hit 100,000k

It's horrific but it's happening, and with the idiots running around it seems most likely to come true. Just think, after that, cases and deaths continue to grow
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Response to Wounded Bear (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 06:09 PM

20. That was me I predicted between 230 and 250 k

Once we hit 100,000 with something like six months left to go to the election I figured at least 200 probably more 250

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Response to Wounded Bear (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 06:20 PM

24. 250k by November if we are lucky

the numbers are rising rapidly and some states have not picked yet. Don’t forget the second wave by November and there are reports os swine flu come back.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 06:28 PM

26. I predicted 350K in March.

If the .1% fatality rate / infection held, and there was no vaccine.

But that was over a couple years and about 5 waves.

I still think we'll get there, It's in the wild now, there's no vaccine, and it sure seems like about 30% of the US population is bound and determined to spread it as much as possible. I wonder if the GOP realizes that they haven't made America great, but made us look like a bunch of morons.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 06:31 PM

27. The top asshole does not take responsibility.

His followers don't either.

We are well and truly fucked.

Hmm?

Maybe elections do have consequences after all.

Good luck everyone.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 06:34 PM

28. Back of the envelope numbers say at least 205,000 by then

600 deaths per day (and that's with the case-load soaring, so it would be amazing if it stays that low), 125 days to the election--that's 75,000 plus the current 130,000 (worldometers.com--that's also where I got the 600 daily deaths)

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Response to Wounded Bear (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 06:47 PM

32. I believe we will see 200k by August

The rates of infection are going through the roof with no universal plan, it sucks being in a state that locked down early NY to just get a breather and look at the real possibility of it going up again from the carelessness of states that did not give a shit. I will not be shocked if it is 350 or 400k dead by Nov.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 06:47 PM

33. More like 200,000 by Labot Day.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 06:54 PM

34. Trump just got us banned from Europe.

American travelers spent $67 billion in the European Union in 2019, according to U.S. government figures. That was up 46% from 2014.
https://www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2020-06-30/eu-set-to-publish-border-list-us-likely-to-miss-out-for-now

But Europe is willing to walk away from all that moolah to protect its citizens. Meanwhile, our President won't even wear a mask.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #34)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 08:03 PM

54. we are outcasts in the world.

we need to realize that this virus is not going away until a vaccine comes along, so all the more reason for mask wearing and social distancing.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 07:12 PM

39. Just take 1918 and multiply it for population growth and raise

mortality to COVID levels. And that is assuming a better than average public health response, which we're not getting.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 07:29 PM

42. Is there a betting line in Vegas on number of deaths?

Not having sports to bet on, Covid could fill the gap.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 07:33 PM

47. there will be a lot of nervous people

watching the calendar once September hits trembling for when the weather turns to fall...and flu season arrives.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 07:34 PM

48. I must b the most pessimistic person here.

I am not sure about the election, maybe 750,000, but by the end of the flu season in 2021, I am putting it at least 2,000,000.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 09:45 PM

60. some of the big states have someone at the wheel (NY, CA for example)

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Response to Wounded Bear (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 09:51 PM

62. Jesus, take the wheel!

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Response to Wounded Bear (Original post)

Wed Jul 1, 2020, 12:59 AM

65. 175,168 COVID-19 deaths based on Current projection scenario by October 1, 2020

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Response to Wounded Bear (Original post)

Wed Jul 1, 2020, 08:44 AM

74. Mitch and the GOP own this catastrophe. We can't let trump's enablers get away with this

After the separation of families and babies placed in cages on the border, I knew there wasn't a red line for republicans. They are deplorable beyond belief and need to be held accountable for their criminal negligence, which has now morphed into negligent homicide.

If this continues unabated, we need to start thinking about 2nd degree homicide charges for every one of those evil motherf*ckers.

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