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Tue Jun 30, 2020, 10:25 AM

Supreme Court Decision 5-4 will allow govt funds to go to religious schools

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#BREAKING: In a 5-4 decision, the Supreme Court ruled that Montana’s exclusion of religious schools from a state scholarship program funded by tax credits violates the U.S. Constitution.


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Reply Supreme Court Decision 5-4 will allow govt funds to go to religious schools (Original post)
FM123 Jun 30 OP
spanone Jun 30 #1
dalton99a Jun 30 #2
mucifer Jun 30 #3
hatrack Jun 30 #4
dalton99a Jun 30 #5
Stallion Jun 30 #6
Iliyah Jun 30 #7
rurallib Jun 30 #16
katmondoo Jun 30 #8
SamKnause Jun 30 #9
smirkymonkey Jun 30 #17
unblock Jun 30 #10
Hotler Jun 30 #11
FBaggins Jun 30 #12
FM123 Jun 30 #13
FM123 Jun 30 #14
Coventina Jun 30 #15

Response to FM123 (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 10:26 AM

1. yea, that church and state thingy is an old constitutional thing, hardly worth protecting

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Response to FM123 (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 10:27 AM

2. From the usual suspects

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Response to FM123 (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 10:27 AM

3. Thus we become a theocracy

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Response to FM123 (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 10:27 AM

4. And that concludes tonight's episode of "John Roberts - Secret Liberal!"

Fucking pathetic Sky Fairy BULLSHIT.

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Response to hatrack (Reply #4)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 10:28 AM

5. +1

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Response to FM123 (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 10:28 AM

6. State Funded Segregation

Separate (again) but Equal

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Response to FM123 (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 10:30 AM

7. Does this pertain to all religions? . . .

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Response to Iliyah (Reply #7)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 12:07 PM

16. supposed to in theory

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Response to FM123 (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 10:33 AM

8. The South will love this ruling.

Religious schools popped up all over the South when school segregation ended.

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Response to FM123 (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 10:40 AM

9. Fuck that shit !!!!!

Start paying your fucking taxes you free loaders.

Separation of Church and State !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can't your imaginary friend foot the bill ???

Can't your imaginary friend pay your taxes ???

This is such bullshit !!!!!!!!!!!!

They won't stop until the U.S. is a theocracy controlled by corporations that pay zero taxes !!!!!!

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Response to SamKnause (Reply #9)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 12:10 PM

17. +1000

Pretty much everything that you said! This just enrages me. I'm so sick of these fake, evil "christians". I hope they all burn in hell.

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Response to FM123 (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 10:46 AM

10. sounds like this could be used to allow massive funding of religious schools

if republicans ever hold congress and the white house again, what's to stop them from a massive spending bill on religious schools?

ok, they'd technically have to fund secular schools as well, but i'm sure they can craft the program or its enforcement in a way that steer the vast majority of funds to religious schools. most private schools students are in religious schools anyway (quick google has it at 78%).

this ruling sounds specific to tax credits related to a scholarship program, but i'm not sure why outright funding would be any different.

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Response to FM123 (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 10:50 AM

11. And somewhere off in the distance........

Bill Barr gets a boner.

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Response to FM123 (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 10:52 AM

12. Not quite

They had previously ruled that government funds (in the form of tax credits) could go to religious schools.

This goes beyond that. They're saying that it's unconstitutional to have such funds go to secular private schools yet forbid funds in those programs to go to religious private schools. There are dozens of state constitutions potentially impacted by that.

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Response to FM123 (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 11:02 AM

13. NYT Times article that explains the case and what it means.

WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court ruled Tuesday that states may not exclude religious schools from programs that provide scholarships to students attending private schools.

The decision was the latest in a series of Supreme Court rulings interpreting the Constitution’s protection of the free exercise of religion to bar the government from treating religious groups differently from secular ones.

Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. wrote the majority opinion in the 5-to-4 ruling. The court’s four more liberal members dissented.

“A state need not subsidize private education,” Chief Justice Roberts wrote. “But once a state decides to do so, it cannot disqualify some private schools solely because they are religious.”

The case involved a Montana program enacted in 2015 “to provide parental and student choice in education.” The program was financed by private contributions eligible for tax credits, and it provided scholarships to students in private schools.

Soon after the program started, a state agency said students attending religious schools were not eligible in light of a provision of the state’s Constitution that bars the use of government money for “any sectarian purpose or to aid any church, school, academy, seminary, college, university or other literary or scientific institution, controlled in whole or in part by any church, sect or denomination.”

Three mothers with children at Stillwater Christian School, in Kalispell, Mont., sued, saying that provision of the state Constitution violated the protections of religious freedom guaranteed by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution.

The Montana Supreme Court ruled against them, shutting down the entire program for all schools, religious or not.

The decision built on earlier rulings on the First Amendment’s protection of the free exercise of religion. In 2017, for instance, in Trinity Lutheran Church v. Comer, the Supreme Court ruled that Missouri had violated the First Amendment by barring religious institutions from a state program to make playgrounds safer, even though the state’s Constitution called for strict separation of church and state.

“The exclusion of Trinity Lutheran from a public benefit for which it is otherwise qualified, solely because it is a church, is odious to our Constitution,” Chief Justice Roberts wrote for the majority.

At the same time, writing for four justices, Chief Justice Roberts emphasized the narrowness of the court’s decision. “This case involves express discrimination based on religious identity with respect to playground resurfacing,” he wrote. “We do not address religious uses of funding or other forms of discrimination.”

A 2004 Supreme Court decision, Locke v. Davey, allowed Washington State to offer college scholarships to all students except those pursuing degrees in devotional theology. That case involved direct support for religion, Chief Justice Roberts wrote in the Trinity Lutheran case. Playgrounds, he argued, were a different matter.

The program at issue in the Montana case, Espinoza v. Montana Department of Revenue, No. 18-1195, was somewhere in the middle. It involved elements of religious instruction, but it did not concern a targeted exclusion of state support for vocational religious instruction.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/30/us/supreme-court-religious-schools-aid.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur

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Response to FM123 (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 11:08 AM

15. Get your FUCKING CHURCH out of my government!!

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