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Sun Jun 21, 2020, 07:53 PM

Michael Moore's epic fail preserved in twitter: Crowing about the big crowds expected for Trump


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Reply Michael Moore's epic fail preserved in twitter: Crowing about the big crowds expected for Trump (Original post)
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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 07:57 PM

1. four years ago there were people like Michael Moore, David Sirota, Jill Stein, etc. doing everything

Last edited Mon Jun 22, 2020, 01:12 PM - Edit history (1)

they could to encourage people NOT to vote for the Democratic nominee

They won't be fooled by these charlatans this time


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Response to still_one (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 07:58 PM

3. In fairness I think MM supported voting for HRC in the last 2 months...

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 09:53 PM

51. A backhanded demoralizing support if anything, pushing the theme

how we were going to lose to trump

We sure as hell didn't need that kind of support

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #3)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 06:24 PM

111. After the kneecapping and damage had been done. He's a fraud.

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Response to still_one (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 12:16 AM

71. MM using ineffective ultra-progressives to his advantage

 

to keep the republicans in office with his crocodile divisive tactics as usual.

Great to see him eat crow.

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Response to still_one (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 01:02 PM

106. MICHAEL MOORE just sucks. i don't believe him anymore.

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 07:57 PM

2. Michael isnt wrong, well he is if he is saying the traitor can WIN, he cant WIN, but he can STEAL

The election CAN be stolen even if 2/3rds of us vote for Joe.

THAT is what we have to be prepared for. Moore is probably wrong about his level of support.

I am NOT wrong that Putin and the GOP wont do things this time they have NEVER done before, we better be prepared.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 08:00 PM

4. MM isn't wrong about not taking this election for granted. It's just that Moore has an air of

almost WANTING the repubs to win. Like he's not really for the dems.

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Response to Demovictory9 (Reply #4)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 08:03 PM

5. I know, he is like that...it is that "I know better than you, I told you this, I told you that"

And that is how we got so many supporters of a certain candidate who many say they dont care how bad it gets that ONLY he gets their votes.

MM does NOT give enough credit to Putin and cheating...

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 08:29 PM

12. He makes his living complaining about Repukes he helps to power.

There really isn't much mystery to this.

I didn't hear anything from him during the 8 years Obama was in power. He wasn't getting much attention then.

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Response to NNadir (Reply #12)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 08:56 PM

21. No, he was too busy making films about the issues that we care about.

 

Pretty much like he's done over his entire career.

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Response to HotTeaBag (Reply #21)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 12:31 AM

73. Speak for yourself.

I personally don't care about anything he says; since I considered him to be a fucking idiot when he endorsed the notion that George W. Bush was the same as Al Gore.

Maybe you didn't care so much about the Iraqi children blown to bits in Bush II's Oedipal war, and maybe you think that a smug jokey movie about kids blown away in Colorado was more important than the Iraqi children blown away by Bush II, but I cared a great deal. I was umamused by "Bowling for Columbine," particularly when made by a moron who could endorse the concept of equivalence of Bush and Gore.

Bush, it turns out, as any fucking idiot could easily see, was not "the same as Gore." Well, I guess there were some idiots who were of such low intellectual and moral apprehension as to not see the difference.

We obviously care about very different things, so again, please don't speak for me.

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Response to NNadir (Reply #73)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 07:27 AM

93. Michael Moore's a type, a type the left has that the right doesn't:

Those who despise their own side so much they have almost nothing left for the other.

A political psychologist once flippantly summarized an important difference between right and left wing extremists by saying the right's hate everyone else, while the left's hate themselves.

You're absolutely right that Moore acts like he doesn't want Democrats to win, because he's at best conflicted and resentful and at worst doesn't. For years he's been sabotaging everything he claims to believe in by trying to undermine support for Democrats. The night before the 2018 midterms, he opened his pretend GOTV talk to young late night comedy viewers by "agreeing" they had nothing good to vote for. And no, President Obama did NOT tell Flint parents to give their children poisoned water.

And this! His warning that Democrats wouldn't camp out for five days in the heat in the middle of a killer pandemic to see Joe Biden, as if that were a bad thing about him.

It's about US, and hell no we wouldn't! Democrats and left indies marched in over 700 communities after George Floyd's murder for a purpose and ideals of equality, not for Our Leader. We also wouldn't still be screaming to kidnap and imprison Our Leader's opponent five years after we started, and four long years after it couldn't matter except to fulfill our blood lust and whet it for more.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #93)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 08:12 AM

95. +1

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #93)

Tue Jun 23, 2020, 02:21 PM

113. In general, I don't like to make an argument that the only reason people do anything...

...is for money. When confronted with such an argument when it's addressed at me - because of my views on energy - I note that anyone who assumes that is probably doing so because they lack a moral basis sufficient to recognize that some people are motivated to do things because they are the right things to do.

Of course, though one can take one's self assumed holiness too far, and sometimes we get corrupted by it.

There is nothing in Moore's background to suggest that he has either the education or experience to do anything but criticize other people for having failings that he defines from a position of being unassailable. In other words, he is a parasite on failure.

Perhaps at some point he held serious opinions and was seriously concerned about the world, albeit in a wholly inflated way.

However, he makes a lot of money off his holiness, doesn't he? I mean, would he have sold a lot of tickets that smug obscenely disrespectful humor directed at the death of schoolchildren (Bowling for Columbine) in a Gore Presidency?

Would he have made a dime off of Fahrenheit 9/11 if Al Gore rather than George W. Bush had been seated in the White House, an outcome which he actively worked to prevent? Would there have been a World Trade Center disaster on which he could hold forth?

He is an emotional and intellectual parasite of a low order, nothing more than a saboteur. I don't consider him a "leftist" at all, and his hatred of the left derives simply from his love of himself. I have zero respect for him. He's not serious; like Trump, he's nothing more than a pernicious clown.

He is unqualified to judge anyone because he has never built a worthwhile thing in his life and has no practical vision of how to make a better world.

At best, he's Rush Limbaugh of an ersatz "left," unprincipled and self absorbed.



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Response to NNadir (Reply #113)

Tue Jun 23, 2020, 02:35 PM

115. +1000. I suspect he wanted to be good, but like his type

just couldn't resist the need to poison the efforts of better people. And then, of course, he discovered what a lucrative little niche market there is for his poison, and presumably from then on there's been no struggle at all. Only profits and gratifying niche influence.

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Response to NNadir (Reply #12)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 11:07 PM

66. He said Obama will only be known as being a Black President

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Response to Demovictory9 (Reply #4)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 08:03 PM

6. Michael Moore is very progressive. He does not want repubs to win. He does not want people to take

the election for granted.

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Response to diva77 (Reply #6)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 08:12 PM

7. Exactly, and I don't blame him for being worried

 

Biden is favored but it is not overwhelming favoritism. Too many posters here are looking at poll margins and making poor assumptions and assertions. Incumbents have remarkable escapability.

I would be much more confident is this were a 1992 scenario of Republicans trying to win a fourth consecutive term. When it's only one term defending the benefit of a doubt tends to return.

Trump needs to keep talking.

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Response to Awsi Dooger (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 08:48 PM

17. Seriously? You do understand that in 1992 Ross Perot saved us by splitting the vote. Clinton never

had a majority...and in the second race pat Buchanan ran. I thank God that Clinton won as it stopped the `12 years of GOP idiots. Joe Biden won the primary in greater numbers than even Pres. Obama and all doom and gloomers accomplish is discouraging voters. Joe Biden is doing very well and Michael Moore is a loser who is most often wrong...and we should listen to nothing he says as he hates Democrats and always has.

I don't forget how Michael beat up on both Gore and Kerry too...and of course he was horrible to Hillary Clinton. He should go away. We don't need to pay attention to a single word he utters. He attacked Green energy for cash...Moore is a grifter IMHO.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #17)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 08:57 PM

23. Michael Moore was strongly behind Kerry

He begged Nader not to run. I remember the Bush years we were much more united back then.

MM lost me because he attacked green energy for cash but just trying to be fair.

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Response to JonLP24 (Reply #23)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 10:16 PM

55. He was not during the primary . He supported Clark and

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #17)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 06:42 AM

87. That's a GOP and a complete myth

 

All exit polls in 92 show that Perot drew equally from both Clinton and Bush. Without Perot, Clinton still would have won the election.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #87)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 06:54 AM

89. It is not GOP but true...somethings just are. We were so far right in 92 after 12 years of GOP

regime...prominent Democrats didn't even run...Clinton saved us but he never had a majority. I believe although we shall never know that without Perot, we would have lost.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #89)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 08:11 AM

94. No it is a false GOP talking point.

 

Every analysis of that election says so:

Here’s the truth. Exit polls showed that Perot drew votes almost evenly from Clinton and Bush. In the states where Perot did the best—Texas and Florida—Bush still won and took all the Electoral College votes. The truth has hardly mattered to what has become known in political circles as the Perot Myth.

https://www.texasmonthly.com/politics/george-hw-bush-lose-1992-reelection-ross-perot/


Research gathered, then published, in the book Change and Continuity in the 1992 elections shows Perot pulled an equal amount of votes from both political parties.

https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/san-antonio/news/2019/07/09/ross-perot-often-credited-for-costing-bush--92-election


https://fivethirtyeight.com/videos/the-ross-perot-myth/

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #94)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 08:27 AM

98. We can trade links all you want and I can send you mine...but for what purpose....those who rewrite

history claim...that Perot had no affect...it simply isn't true.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #98)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 08:54 AM

100. Send your links and we'll see if they are credible

 

But it is a myth and a GOP talking point that Perot threw the 92 election to Clinton.

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Response to diva77 (Reply #6)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 08:37 PM

13. Uh huh.. MM is so "progressive" he said President Obama

would only be remembered as being a Black President"

Michael Moore Slams Obama: HIstory Will Only Remember You Were a Black President ..

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10025513223

We're Not taking Biden's Win for granted.. and I don't need Michael Moore pumping up trump rallies telling me that.

Moore.. ".. 100,000 are expected.. sleeping on Sidewalks!!.. "

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Response to Cha (Reply #13)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 09:06 PM

31. I'm with you ....can't stand MM

Have ya’ll forgotten how he did a limp wrist thing over Mayor Pete on national tv? Among other things!! What a creep

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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #31)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 09:22 PM

37. Mahalo for pointing that out, Kasper.. I had forgotten that

little "progressive" episode of MM's.

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Response to Cha (Reply #13)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 09:23 PM

39. +1000 nt

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Response to jrthin (Reply #39)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 12:34 AM

74. Mahalo, jrthin..

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Response to Cha (Reply #13)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 09:23 PM

40. I lost so much respect for him over that,

his support of Stein and lots of other things.

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Response to mcar (Reply #40)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 12:37 AM

76. MM doesn't help..

We need everyone on board.. not lectures from Moore.

Mahalo, mcar

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Response to diva77 (Reply #6)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 08:41 PM

14. He wants to be right...and wants us to lose... A pos

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Response to diva77 (Reply #6)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 09:01 PM

27. Michael Moore is so progressive he just put out a movie on climate change...

... in which he completely trashes renewable energy. “Whats the point, its hopeless.” ...Seems to be Moores defeatist attitudes on a lot of topics these days.

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Response to diva77 (Reply #6)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 11:18 PM

69. he could raise holy hell by telling UM and MSU to stop supporting limbaugh

he's done a lot of good stuff but like famous black athletes is missing the big opportunity

his state is dominated by republican (now putin) talk radio and UM (7)and MSU (11) broadcast sports on 18! limbaugh stations. those stations loved gov snyder. those stations all yelled "COVID is a hoax!" for 2 months, killing thousands. they also yelled white lives matter, blue lives matter, trayvon martin and mike brown were thugs, and colin kaepernick and kneeling athletes are traitors. they also yelled lead in drinking water is as over-hyped as COVID

the act of merely questioning that relationship by MM or black athletes would cause advertisers to head for the hills. most rw talk radio stations would have to do something else. at least 260 limbaugh stations depend on 87 universities like that.

MM or any major athlete could destroy the GOP's only unique tool. many of the republicon radio stations would not survive

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Response to diva77 (Reply #6)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 08:26 AM

97. lmao the same Moore who voted Nader and said Gore was the same as Bush?

That Michael Moore?

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Response to Demovictory9 (Reply #4)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 09:49 PM

47. He's not for Democrats.

He's made that clear for quite a while. He is a Democratic Socialist who was all in for Sanders over the last 2 cycles. He voted for the POS Ralph Nader in 2000 and encouraged others to do so as well.

And cynically, yes, another 4 years of Dump is good for Michael Moore, Inc. I'll let people make their own call on whether he actually wants Trump to win again.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 08:18 PM

8. Moore's greater point: stay vigilant, assume nothing.

He’s right, even if he was wrong about crowd size.

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Response to Eyeball_Kid (Reply #8)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 08:19 PM

9. I wish he would talk more about how there is NOTHING the GOP and Putin wont do.

And paint them as the enemies of the human race they are.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #9)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 11:05 PM

65. He doesn't because he sympathizes with the greenwalds , putin, and that usual crowd

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Response to Eyeball_Kid (Reply #8)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 08:42 PM

15. I despise Michael Moore and all he is doing is pumping Trump up. Fuck Michael Moore...I take no

advice from the likes of him.

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Response to Eyeball_Kid (Reply #8)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 09:50 PM

48. It's the same shit he says every cycle.

As if he's the only one who ever thinks about it.

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 08:22 PM

10. "If you are once again not taking my warnings seriously"

The guy who told us to start practicing saying "President Romney" because he was going to win. The guy who told us that Democrats are the greater roadblock to social progress than Trump is. The guy who didn't take Russian interference seriously.

Uh, no. Not taking you seriously, MM. Nobody would stand in line for five days to see Biden because WE ARE NOT MINDLESS CULT MEMBERS, DUH. Couldn't help put that dig in about Biden, could you?

Who the hell is he talking about? Everybody knows Republicans cheat. Nobody's "cocky."

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Response to betsuni (Reply #10)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 08:43 PM

16. Exactly, betsuni.. I don't need Michael, "..Obama will only be remembered

as a Black president", Moore.. telling me anything.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=13633318

there's one person who's "cocky" and that's MM.

Thank You!

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Response to Cha (Reply #16)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 09:03 PM

30. It's ironic because the ones who were complacent and "cocky" last time and

refused to vote for the Democratic nominee or voted third party are his people.

He was still claiming the primary was rigged last year, still telling his audience the Democratic Party is corrupt. Not knowing how dangerous the Republicans are when it's right in your damn face and whining about Democrats instead is not only complacent but massively stupid. His fans are the ones least likely to take elections seriously. You made that bed, MM. You're the one who encouraged people to be cynical, that both parties are the same. Turning around and telling people to vote for the Democrat a few months before the election and finally taking about the real enemy, the Republicans, is too late.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #30)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 09:19 PM

35. OMG.. That's so CORRECT! Thank you for Pointing

that OUT!

It was right under our nose the whole time.. he Better be talking to the jill stein 3rd party Voters!. 66 Million Dems Voted for Hillary. Stein & Sarandon's LIES about Hillary have trump Blood on their hands.

Michael Moore is a ******* Gaslighter!

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Response to Cha (Reply #35)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 12:37 AM

75. He promotes the myth of Democrats as snobby elites, that Democrats don't inspire

voters because of their policies, that the Democrats are just "I'm not Trump":

"Don't get all smug laughing at these Bubbas in Tulsa today ... . They live, eat and breathe Trump -- and none of us do that with Joe Biden. We're counting on hatred of Trump -- not love of Biden -- to win the day. Is that how you really think -- hate beats love? ... Because deep down we know there's no massive intense love of Joe Biden, no one is all dreamy and jazzy when they think about Joe Biden's jobs plan, Joe Biden's health care plan ... ."

He's trying to make it about one person, not the Democratic Party. Not going to work this time!

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Response to betsuni (Reply #75)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 01:10 AM

77. No, MM.. "We" are Not "counting on hatred of trump" speak

for your damn self.

"Because deep down we know there's no massive intense love of Joe Biden, no one is all dreamy and jazzy when they think about Joe Biden's jobs plan, Joe Biden's health care plan .."

What a piece of shit..".. deep down.. " lol! Who does he think he is.. some psychiatrist/mind reader?

Read Joe Biden's Campaign Platform, MM.. instead of shooting off your big mouth.

Sorry.. he pisses me off.. and has since his gd tweedledum/tweedledee Nader days..

Joe Biden is Truth, Empathy, Healing & Sanity.. I can get pretty GD "dreamy" about that!

Mahalo for that, betsuni..

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Response to Cha (Reply #77)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 02:51 AM

79. He shouldn't say "we" or "us."

Democrats know what the party stands for and who the base is, he does not.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #79)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 03:39 AM

80. Exactly.. MM needs to

say "I".. he's the one who feels that way. He's trying to bend others to his will.

Not working for those who are dealing with the reality of the here and now.

We know who Joe Biden & the Democratic Party are.. and it's not MM's version.

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Response to Cha (Reply #80)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 05:57 AM

85. He said Democrats have "no message, no plan, no leaders" in 2017.

What an idiot.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #85)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 06:47 AM

88. And, as I quoted him upthread.. he said.. . " President Obama

would only be remembered as being a Black President".. that right there shows how empty his head is & mean spirited for his own agenda.. whatever the hell that is..






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Response to Cha (Reply #88)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 07:10 AM

90. That is idiotic!

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Response to Cha (Reply #16)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 09:53 PM

49. That statement is straight up bigoted, and yet so many give him a pass.

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #49)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 01:15 AM

78. I know.. it's

absurd.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #10)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 08:53 PM

20. I don't recall him saying Russian inteference isn't real

He acknowledged their role briefly in the film but didn't deny it. Michael Moore attended a protest organized by Russia and this was widely reported so I'd be very surprised if he isn't aware of that.

Michael Moore lost me with that climate film liked by the right wing and climate deniers so I'm done personally with him.

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Response to JonLP24 (Reply #20)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 09:11 PM

32. I changed it to not taking it seriously.

Until rather recently.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #10)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 08:57 PM

24. He was right in 2016.

 

Were you?

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Response to HotTeaBag (Reply #24)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 09:18 PM

34. Because he once correctly predicted that one person in a two-person race would win

we're supposed to heed his every word from then on?

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Response to HotTeaBag (Reply #24)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 05:48 AM

84. He was wrong in 2012.

Were you?

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Response to HotTeaBag (Reply #24)

Tue Jun 23, 2020, 02:34 PM

114. Moore has predicted a Republican victory in every election since 2008

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #10)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 09:00 PM

26. ...

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Response to Scurrilous (Reply #26)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 04:02 AM

81. ..

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Response to Cha (Reply #81)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 04:05 AM

82. ...

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Response to Scurrilous (Reply #82)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 04:07 AM

83. .

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 08:22 PM

11. Taking winning easily for granted is the point,

the rest is him trying to scare people into not doing it.

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Response to Thomas Hurt (Reply #11)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 08:50 PM

18. Confidence helps you win...not the samething as taking anything for granted which we don't. We have

very good chance to win... They didn't manage to stop us winning the House which you may remember was gerrymandered so we have to win with overwhelming numbers...some here wanted a different candidate. But you know, as I believed from the beginning. Biden is the perfect 2020 candidate. Trump hasn't and won't lay a glove on him.

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 08:52 PM

19. Not a MM fan, I just don't like him, but he's not entirely wrong.

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We all thought HRC was going to win. One of the worst night I can remember. Watching the numbers come in and the electoral counts increase for Trump. Thought I was living in a nightmare.

This election is different, I’ll give you that, for a lot of reasons. But I’m not conceding anything until there are 270 electoral votes in Biden’s column.

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Response to Fla Dem (Reply #19)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 09:02 PM

28. Same, I am not going to assume we have it in the bag until all is said and done. n/t

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Response to Fla Dem (Reply #19)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 09:49 PM

46. Seems like you felt the way I did on election night 2016.

It all was unreal. When I saw that Hillary had no chance, I turned the television off, still hoping that I would wake up to a miracle the next morning. I could not sleep, my throat was raw and getting rawer. That night forever changed my view of us an collective Americans, before that night I felt that we would collectively turn back the scourge of rightwing populism that was creeping across the world, I was wrong. I told a Hispanic employee before Trump was nominated that there was no way a person like him could win the presidency, I was wrong.

We can't take anything for granted and need to go after as many votes as we can. I would love to see Trump get buried, but I would be perfectly happy with a solid Biden win - we need to make that happen, the warning that Moore is giving should cause us to take note and work harder to defeat Trump and Trumpism.

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 08:56 PM

22. Poor Mike just doesn't seem to get anything right these days.

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #22)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 08:58 PM

25. He was right in 2016, were you?

 

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Response to HotTeaBag (Reply #25)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 09:03 PM

29. Bahaha

Oh boy. Thanks for that.

President MCCain, President Romney and unfortunately thanks to dead Enders like Mikey, George W Bush send their regards.

You up in here thinking he’s Nostradamus.



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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 09:14 PM

33. Why do people act as if rallies are the end all and be all of campaigning?

Rallies are A thing, not THE thing in a campaign.

And the point of them is to "rally" the troops, not to be a cult service for the purpose of worshiping and feeding the ego of the candidate.

And willingness to stand in line for five days for a candidate's rally doesn't prove that candidate's political viability. It could just be proof that the candidate's supporters are nuts. Especially when they stood in line for five days for an event they could have just walked into 20 minutes before it started ...

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #33)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 09:36 PM

42. Yes!

The rally obsession is a mystery to me.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #42)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 09:42 PM

44. And it's not just on the other side

At least one candidate on the Democratic side put a huge store in rallies and found that thousands of cheering rally-goers do not necessarily translate into actual votes. But they are lots of fun for the attendees - like a big concert - and good for the candidate's ego.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #44)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 09:57 PM

52. I don't really want to argue this

The big rallies gave him a better chance than the 20 or so candidates. Sanders easily could have won but the media freaked out over Sanders win or like in New Hampshire the narrative was "the big story is Klobuchar came in 3rd". Nevada you had freakouts of epic proportion. After Biden won South Carolina he got millions in free advertising and glowing coverage. If 5 or so candidates stayed in and tried to win Sanders probably would have won until the party figured out a strategy to beat him. Remember before the consolidation Warren was willing to stay in though she had little chance to win to prevent Sanders from getting the required delegates.

Jake Tapper said he had reminders of 2004. Howard Dean had the most fundraising & biggest rallies but Kerry was seen as most likely to beat Bush. He was told by a Bush aide that they actually feared Dean more and Dean said "now you tell me."

All that said I think Biden will beat Trump and I will be happy once he's gone.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #44)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 10:01 PM

53. No wonder egos get wildly inflated and reality distorted!

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #44)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 11:15 PM

67. Most of those rallies with large numbers attending was pretty much because of the Live Bands they

had .

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 09:20 PM

36. What part of his comparing BIDEN unfavorably to SHITLER makes him a Democrat

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Response to UTUSN (Reply #36)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 10:18 PM

56. Michael Moore has said before that he is an independent. He hates Democrats

IMHO.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #56)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 10:35 PM

59. I don't side with fanatics, purists, zealots, inquisitors, and nannies - MOORE, or here on DU.

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I don't even want to talk to them.






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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 09:22 PM

38. Moore - wrong again

Loser

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 09:24 PM

41. It wasn't an epic fail. He's right. If it's not winnable by trump, it's most definitely stealable.

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 09:38 PM

43. Moore is making a good point.

We need to constantly run this race like we are 6 points down, but can get within striking distance be Election Day. We need to assume that every single MAGAT that voted for Trump in 2016 will be voting for him again.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #43)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 09:44 PM

45. I don't need Michael Moore to tell me that

And I don't think the people working on Biden's campaign do, either. It's not exactly a secret nor is it rocket science. It's pretty much Campaign and Politics 101.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #45)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 09:53 PM

50. Look. I don't like Moore either. But I am willing to concede when he makes a

good point. We should not assume anything about Trump voters, other than we need to fight really hard to have Joe as President-elect on November 4.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #50)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 10:13 PM

54. You need Michael Moore to tell you that we need to fight really hard to get Biden elected?

I was well aware of that long before Moore said it. I don't give him credit for stating the obvious.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #54)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 10:21 PM

58. No. But some DU members seem to.

I have and will continue to consider this election a war of attrition between us and Trump supporters. We have to run out and meet a raging horde with a clash on a battlefield, and we can show no backing down or mercy, because for us to lose to them would set off unimaginable horrors.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #58)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 11:03 PM

64. He blamed Obama for the Flint Water Crisis . I don't think his intention is to help democrats

Notice he is obsessed with how much people love trump and trying to imply that people don't love Biden .

He doesn't bring up right wing cheating which will be the bigger problem for democrats in the election. Not the fucking dumbasses that love trump .

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Response to JI7 (Reply #64)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 06:22 PM

109. What Trump is doing with his maskless rallies is

seeing whether MAGATS are willing to take risks for him. If he sees that they are in large numbers, expect mail-in voting to be very restricted in a number of critical purple states. Trump is betting that MAGATS will show up in person at the polls, while many on our side won't even consider voting if they can't vote by mail.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #50)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 10:20 PM

57. No, he helped Gore, Kerry and Clinton lose by attacking them. FUCk

Michael Moore.

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 10:48 PM

60. Michael Moore never mentions the Russian attacks on the elections and other shit

that Republicans pull.

his whole shit is that people LOVE trump unlike Democrats.

hew also seems to think Trump's trashy base are more important than others.

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 10:55 PM

61. He is correct.

He was correct four years ago, and he is equally correct today- do NOT take anything for granted.

THEY are going to turn out to the polls. The ONLY way Biden can win is if WE ensure more of our side turns out as well.

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 11:01 PM

62. Has Michael Moore ever acknowledged Joe Biden Kicking Ass in the Primary ?

He may not have had huge crowds at rallies which feautured live bands but he did have people waiting in long lines to vote for him. People who waited hours because of republican scumbags making it difficult to vote .

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 11:03 PM

63. Michael Moore is a worthless fucking douchebag

Fuck him back to hell

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 11:18 PM

68. I agree about not taking anything for granted.

In spite of that message being encased in a mass of bullshit.

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Response to Crunchy Frog (Reply #68)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 12:03 PM

104. me too

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 12:11 AM

70. LOL

I stopped paying attention to Moore a long time ago. This failure amuses me

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 06:16 AM

86. Funny, that's not what he was saying a month ago

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/499281-michael-moore-the-only-way-trump-wins-in-2020-is-if-he-cheats

Michael Moore is so full of shit. He seems to think that all our focus should be on the white working class, and that we have to appeal to them in order to defeat Trump.

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 07:11 AM

91. His heart is in the right place.

He is trying to prevent complacency.

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Response to anamnua (Reply #91)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 07:22 AM

92. Who is complacent?

Who does he think is "cocky"? In 2016 the complacent ones were those who didn't vote for the Democrat, voted third party or for Trump because they thought both parties were the same or the Democrat was worse, voting their "conscience" whatever that meant. What is he talking about?

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Response to anamnua (Reply #91)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 08:29 AM

99. Nope...just another MM attack on Democrats...fuck Michael Moore. He comes on and I turn the channel.

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 08:25 AM

96. lol at the posts about how people don't like MM but he's not wrong...

Did you read the full post or what?

It's typical Moore bullshit.

State doom & gloom. How he knows what he's talking about (ignoring the fact he said Romney would win in 2012 & McCain in 2008 - it's his mo) and then ends it with a typical swipe at a Democrat - stating there's noway anyone would line up for Biden.

But yes, guys, tell me hOw YoUrE nO mIcHaEl MoOrE fAn BuT hE's GoT a PoInT.

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #96)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 09:03 AM

101. +1

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 11:47 AM

102. If you tuned into his general output in recent months

you would see he detests Trump with a passion -- even comparing the rise of Trumpism to the rise of Nazism in 30's Germany.

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Response to anamnua (Reply #102)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 12:02 PM

103. Ok. thanks. I had tuned him out.

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Response to anamnua (Reply #102)

Tue Jun 23, 2020, 03:11 PM

116. But not so much that he would support Democrats.

Stalin hated Hitler. That doesn't make Stalin a good guy.

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 12:55 PM

105. What I want to know is where he got that 100,000 number?

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He obviously wasn't there to count.
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Response to Amy-Strange (Reply #105)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 01:08 PM

108. Hmmm... maybe that's why no one showed up, because...

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they believed him and thought that if there were a hundred thousand people waiting, they'd have no chance to get in.

Ha, even I don't believe that crap!!!
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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 01:04 PM

107. I don't get some of the hate people have for the far left of our party

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Response to Marrah_Goodman (Reply #107)

Tue Jun 23, 2020, 03:12 PM

117. We don't. However, that doesn''t apply to Michael Moore.

He is not a member of our party and has made it clear thousands of times that he despises our party.

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 06:23 PM

110. Michael Moore is a complete fraud. A grifter.

Just the sight of him makes me want to

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Tue Jun 23, 2020, 03:13 PM

118. This is a recent classic-of-the-genre MM clip



I don't see much to complain about here.

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