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a kennedy

(29,647 posts)
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 12:16 PM Jun 2020

Oh oh, Charles Barkley just said both parties suck....

He’s on Dan LeBetard’s radio show. Said he’s voted Democratic all his life, but lately Dems have not been paying attention to poor black and brown people. Both parties only cater to white rich people. Said he’d never vote for tRump tho.
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Oh oh, Charles Barkley just said both parties suck.... (Original Post) a kennedy Jun 2020 OP
Probably correct, we just suck a lot less. LiberalArkie Jun 2020 #1
I concur. HotTeaBag Jun 2020 #28
He is? BannonsLiver Jun 2020 #37
We need a concerted effort to get money out of politics PTWB Jun 2020 #2
+1000 a kennedy Jun 2020 #3
Everytime I hear this repeated, "We must get money out of politics!" Budi Jun 2020 #21
Reverse the Citizen's United ruling is what you meant? Brainfodder Jun 2020 #34
Reversing citizens United is one step PTWB Jun 2020 #39
End golden parachutes, get corporations back to a responsible level, the list is long long long.... Brainfodder Jun 2020 #40
Charles Barkely ALWAYS does this shit...he complains about "both sides" etc Baltimike Jun 2020 #4
I guess he doesn't know who past the voting rights act demosincebirth Jun 2020 #16
NOPE. He ***ALWAYS*** plays both sides Baltimike Jun 2020 #20
Barkley is Lying - He Has Not Voted Democratic All His Life Indykatie Jun 2020 #5
Really?? Didn't know that. a kennedy Jun 2020 #7
Yup, he was asked why he was a Republican Polybius Jun 2020 #15
Yep. empedocles Jun 2020 #8
That was my first thought. DURHAM D Jun 2020 #18
He has not been a real Dem PCIntern Jun 2020 #6
Shut up....REALLY??? Wow, did not know that. a kennedy Jun 2020 #10
Wow that's interesting considering Jspur Jun 2020 #29
And will he let t-rump and the republicans waltz back in again? . . Iliyah Jun 2020 #9
Fuck that asshole. Never liked him as a player. . . DinahMoeHum Jun 2020 #11
Barkley was an active, public and vigorous supporter of Doug Jones grantcart Jun 2020 #17
I don't think you are quoting him correctly grantcart Jun 2020 #12
Yikes......heard him say he would run for Governor, didn't hear as a Repub. a kennedy Jun 2020 #27
I think you heard wrong. Barkley had an interest in that 24 years ago. Now he works to elect Dems grantcart Jun 2020 #31
I should have looked this up myself......thanks. a kennedy Jun 2020 #33
Kaepernick said the same in the last election. Tipperary Jun 2020 #13
He should ask Barack Obama how he feels about Wednesdays Jun 2020 #14
He did. Charles Barkley interviewed Obama when he was a state senator grantcart Jun 2020 #23
Charles Barkley Trump Both Siderism Neerav B. Trivedi Jun 2020 #19
Headline from 1994: "CHARLES BARKLEY PLANS RUN FOR GOVERNOR AS REPUBLICAN" Skinner Jun 2020 #22
Thanks....... a kennedy Jun 2020 #25
He later left the Republican Party grantcart Jun 2020 #26
1994 wow that is so impressive. Please see # 31 that details how Barkley openly, actiely and grantcart Jun 2020 #32
Who? LakeArenal Jun 2020 #24
I have to agree with Jspur Jun 2020 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Jun 2020 #35
Better: A 2 party system sucks.... ? Brainfodder Jun 2020 #36
He's right. I wish DU were more of a real critical-thinking kind of discussion space, and not Ron Green Jun 2020 #38

LiberalArkie

(15,713 posts)
1. Probably correct, we just suck a lot less.
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 12:19 PM
Jun 2020

Just the nature of the beast I think. The parties are represented by humans. Not all humans are good.

BannonsLiver

(16,369 posts)
37. He is?
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 02:44 PM
Jun 2020

I think he sounds like a fucking moron, actually. He’s clearly unaware the party’s base are women and POCs. The party also has loads of women and POCs in important positions. And oh yeah, there was Barack Obama. He sounds pretty uninformed on all that.

On what basis do you think he is “probably correct?”

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
2. We need a concerted effort to get money out of politics
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 12:20 PM
Jun 2020

While we have had, still have, and always will have the moral high ground in politics, we need to do more to represent the poor. We CANNOT allow corporate interests and the wealthy to have so much influence.

It is past time we cripple corporate speech and tax the hell out of the top 10% of earners in the country.

We need to systematically ensure that the highest paid CEO in a corporation makes no more than 10-15 times what the lowest paid worker makes. Make it stand for any and all companies that want to do business in the USA, foreign and domestic.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
21. Everytime I hear this repeated, "We must get money out of politics!"
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 12:41 PM
Jun 2020

I think of Hillary Clinton's 2016 platform & how she spoke of this very importantant issue, promising to end the flow of money in politics that had become necessary to compete.

Why it wasn't important 'enough' to some at the time remains a unanswered question.

But here we are, 2020 and maybe we'll get it right this time.

We must register & Vote Blue 💙

Go to iVote to check each States requirements & info.


https://www.ivoteforamerica.org/

Barkley has no idea. Stupid statement. He can do better.

Brainfodder

(6,423 posts)
34. Reverse the Citizen's United ruling is what you meant?
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 02:13 PM
Jun 2020

I'd go a lot further, and no election ads on TV allowed, PBS I would use for 1 debate, 3 days before the election.

Election week, not day.

That's a start, end this gerrymandering BS is next!

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
39. Reversing citizens United is one step
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 03:21 PM
Jun 2020

One of many. We need to castrate the wealthy of their wealth and make sure the disparity between rich and poor is brought back to reasonable levels, so there are very few poor, a huge middle class, and very few rich. And the richest of the rich don’t have that much more than the poorest of the poor.

Brainfodder

(6,423 posts)
40. End golden parachutes, get corporations back to a responsible level, the list is long long long....
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 03:23 PM
Jun 2020

demosincebirth

(12,536 posts)
16. I guess he doesn't know who past the voting rights act
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 12:32 PM
Jun 2020

And who helped abolish segregation In the south

Baltimike

(4,143 posts)
20. NOPE. He ***ALWAYS*** plays both sides
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 12:38 PM
Jun 2020

except for a brief time in '07-'08 when Barack Obama was ascending that he "identified" as a Democrat. He is a full of shit complainer with no solutions.

Indykatie

(3,695 posts)
5. Barkley is Lying - He Has Not Voted Democratic All His Life
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 12:24 PM
Jun 2020

I remember when he identified as a Republican.

Jspur

(578 posts)
29. Wow that's interesting considering
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 01:05 PM
Jun 2020

as a kid I always suspected he was a republican. He always gave me Uncle Tom like vibes. Did he straight up tell you that he loved Bush and Reagan?

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
9. And will he let t-rump and the republicans waltz back in again? . .
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 12:26 PM
Jun 2020

Or will he help rid them while meanwhile working to help POC's and poor get better opportunity and treatment . .

Talk is cheap.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
12. I don't think you are quoting him correctly
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 12:29 PM
Jun 2020

CB has been a Republican most of his life and considered running for governor in Alabama As a a Republican in 2014.

His mother said," Charles Republicans only represent the rich"

CB "Mom I am rich".

He is now a Democrat and appeared at a rally to help Jones.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
31. I think you heard wrong. Barkley had an interest in that 24 years ago. Now he works to elect Dems
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 01:49 PM
Jun 2020

It took me less than 60 seconds to find these videos

Charles Barkley supporting Doug Jones and calling out the idiot Moore



Charles Barkley

I would vote for Doug Jones

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/charles-barkley-i-would-vote-for-doug-jones-1103584323984

Charles Barkley celebrating Doug Jones victory



Dozens of articles detailing Barkley working for Jones

https://www.google.com/search?q=charles+barkley+supporting+doug+jones&rlz=1C1AFAB_enUS505US505&oq=charles+barkley+supporting+doug+jones&aqs=chrome..69i57.9940j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Charles Barkley endorsing Barack Obama in 2007 stating that when he met Barack Obama as a state Senator he knew he would be a great President



Charles Barkley "Obama would make a fantastic President" 2008

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/charles-barkley-obama-wou_b_121693?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAFTIqMDxv5kLGJ4n4RaCp7xGNV7ClkxEG6QWUo6_DjQjJpA6xWrwvqntd3O3fupjnF7Yx_whi3g6ioAWBNMd9j9KvxmjTZLlVrF7585wprr1KEYySTVDMtnBNY5YRaWJV6p9pzTnvbf99M--M2vsjqaC7wkZuEtaH_OM730gqyqO

Charles Barkley makes a major contribution to the Obama foundation

https://www.chicagotribune.com/politics/ct-barack-michelle-obama-foundation-donations-20200115-ehduqlvplnh7taiodkxpnn7oza-story.html

Charles Barkley talking about his admiration of Obama and disgusted with Trump administration in 2008

(also explains what it was like being the only black student in his elementary school)



Charles Barkley identifies as a Democrat

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2019/08/01/charles-barkley-rips-trump-debate-says-blacks-taken-granted/1887128001/


Barkley identified as Republican during his playing career in the 1980s and '90s but turned Democrat by the 2000s.

What you say that you heard is completely inconsistent with his recorded statements which I was able to find in 60 seconds.

I don't understand why people don't google the subject first to check if it is consistent with facts known.

Charles Barkley is a Democrat who works for Democrats and helps them get elected

Charles Barkley was an early supporter of President Obama and supported him through out his Presidency.

Charles Barkley was a major supporter of Doug Jones

Charles Barkley was an early critic of Trump.


He has consistently said that both parties, including the Democrats need to do more for the African American community.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
23. He did. Charles Barkley interviewed Obama when he was a state senator
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 12:47 PM
Jun 2020

for a book he was writing and came away convinced that he would be President.

Barkley supported Pres Obama's campaigns.

Barkley was a major supporter of Doug Jones.

He has openly said that the Republicans do not support AA and when someone asked Juan Williams about that on Fox he agreed with Barkley.

Barkley left the Republican party and is now a Democrat.

Except for his comments that both parties Need to be fixed (which he has frequently said) I find the Ops rendition of Barkley at odds with his public statements on YouTube

 

Neerav B. Trivedi

(205 posts)
19. Charles Barkley Trump Both Siderism
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 12:36 PM
Jun 2020

UGH! Someone needs to convince him to help us kick Trump out of the White House this November!

Skinner

(63,645 posts)
22. Headline from 1994: "CHARLES BARKLEY PLANS RUN FOR GOVERNOR AS REPUBLICAN"
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 12:45 PM
Jun 2020
Charles Barkley has talked about running for governor of Alabama when he retires from basketball. Now he says he'll do it in 1998 - as a Republican. The Phoenix Suns star says he already has asked former vice president Dan Quayle and conservative broadcaster Rush Limbaugh for support. And he tried out some GOP rhetoric Monday at a celebrity golf tournament outside Philadelphia. "People just assume because you're black and from the South that you're a Democrat," said Barkley.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-xpm-1994-09-14-9409140315-story.html

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
26. He later left the Republican Party
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 12:53 PM
Jun 2020

He supported Barack Obama as a Presidential candidate before he announced having sought him out as a State Senator for an interview.

He was a vocal supporter of Obama and had a famous and very friendly interview with the President in the Oval Office.

More recently he has been the most vocal celebrity supporter of Doug Jones and made many appearances with him.

He is mow a Democrat supporting Democrats.

His pro Obama, pro Jones, anti Republican statements are easily found on YouTube.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
32. 1994 wow that is so impressive. Please see # 31 that details how Barkley openly, actiely and
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 02:02 PM
Jun 2020

aggressively supported President Obama and Doug Jones.

Even though he no longer lives in Alabama he went there during the last weeks of the campaign and campaigned aggressively for Jones and as his most effective surrogate may have helped generate extra AA turnout that made the difference.

When Obama was a State Senator Barkley sought him out and met with him privately and became a full throated supporter of Obama for President even before he declared. He consistently supported him all through out his Presidency and Obama returned the favor by granting him an extensive sit down interview that was widely watched.

But what does that matter compared to something he said when he was low on the learning curve 26 years ago?

Why be informed and accurate when we can gin up anger about something somebody thought they heard on a radio show that no one has a link to and is completely inconsistent with the last 16 years of an extensively documented public record that has literally hundreds of citations? If only there were some type of search engine on the internet that could give us a thorough, accurate and informed record in less than 60 seconds.

Jspur

(578 posts)
30. I have to agree with
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 01:08 PM
Jun 2020

him. My biggest frustration with the Dems is due to also being owned by the rich they have now become the lesser of the 2 evils. Dems will give the people bread crumbs while the Republicans will just take away stuff from the people. That's how I contrast the two parties.

Response to a kennedy (Original post)

Brainfodder

(6,423 posts)
36. Better: A 2 party system sucks.... ?
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 02:20 PM
Jun 2020

Especially when one side, even when minority overall, acts like they aint and tries to stick it to the other party no matter the consequences to ALL!



Ron Green

(9,822 posts)
38. He's right. I wish DU were more of a real critical-thinking kind of discussion space, and not
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 03:00 PM
Jun 2020

so much of an echo chamber.

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