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Sat Jun 13, 2020, 02:28 PM

Meanwhile at West Point


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Reply Meanwhile at West Point (Original post)
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2020 OP
underpants Jun 2020 #1
iemitsu Jun 2020 #2
Tipperary Jun 2020 #3
LAS14 Jun 2020 #5
Alex4Martinez Jun 2020 #9
Tipperary Jun 2020 #17
Butterflylady Jun 2020 #22
Tipperary Jun 2020 #24
COL Mustard Jun 2020 #34
SWBTATTReg Jun 2020 #14
Jim__ Jun 2020 #15
Tipperary Jun 2020 #18
Grins Jun 2020 #28
sarge43 Jun 2020 #38
LAS14 Jun 2020 #4
Alex4Martinez Jun 2020 #6
GReedDiamond Jun 2020 #8
AnotherMother4Peace Jun 2020 #13
Tipperary Jun 2020 #21
sarge43 Jun 2020 #27
BComplex Jun 2020 #29
sarge43 Jun 2020 #31
BComplex Jun 2020 #32
sarge43 Jun 2020 #36
mahina Jun 2020 #30
sarge43 Jun 2020 #33
mahina Jun 2020 #39
sarge43 Jun 2020 #40
mahina Jun 2020 #45
Pacifist Patriot Jun 2020 #43
marlakay Jun 2020 #7
TheCowsCameHome Jun 2020 #37
keithbvadu2 Jun 2020 #10
AllaN01Bear Jun 2020 #11
alfredo Jun 2020 #12
sarge43 Jun 2020 #41
alfredo Jun 2020 #44
CTyankee Jun 2020 #49
sarge43 Jun 2020 #50
CTyankee Jun 2020 #51
sarge43 Jun 2020 #52
CTyankee Jun 2020 #53
sarge43 Jun 2020 #58
CTyankee Jun 2020 #54
sarge43 Jun 2020 #55
CTyankee Jun 2020 #56
sarge43 Jun 2020 #59
CTyankee Jun 2020 #60
sarge43 Jun 2020 #61
CTyankee Jun 2020 #62
sarge43 Jun 2020 #63
lunatica Jun 2020 #16
Maeve Jun 2020 #19
Butterflylady Jun 2020 #20
42bambi Jun 2020 #23
blaze Jun 2020 #25
COL Mustard Jun 2020 #35
Roy Rolling Jun 2020 #26
cwydro Jun 2020 #42
warmfeet Jun 2020 #46
trof Jun 2020 #47
pecosbob Jun 2020 #48
BobTheSubgenius Jun 2020 #57

Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 02:30 PM

1. 🇺🇸

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 02:30 PM

2. This makes me feel so much better.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 02:31 PM

3. Twitter thread indicates it was photoshopped.

 

If not, the cadet will be easily identified.

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Response to Tipperary (Reply #3)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 02:34 PM

5. How can you see that something was photoshopped on a Twitter thread? And...

... how is the cadet identified? Just curious here.

tia
las

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Response to LAS14 (Reply #5)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 02:39 PM

9. The image is too flat. Look at how the bottom of lettering is on a perfectly flat line.

It's unnatural and highly unlikely, it is too perfectly flat and square.

It comes from this seller, easy to copy, crop, and paste.

https://teechip.com/fktrump?retailProductCode=341E17AD53A5B6-1777BCCB8081-GS0-TC2-BLK

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Response to LAS14 (Reply #5)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 03:27 PM

17. I read the twitter comments that said that. Personally I have no idea.

 

As far as a cadet being identified, his insignia, rank, medals all displayed. Simple. But I believe those who say it was photoshopped. Unlikely, a cadet would jeopardize his career on graduation day, though I bet some do feel that way.

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Response to Tipperary (Reply #17)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 03:37 PM

22. Makes no difference, people will believe what they want to believe.

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Response to Butterflylady (Reply #22)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 03:46 PM

24. Absolutely spot on.

 

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Response to Tipperary (Reply #17)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 05:00 PM

34. It looks like a photoshopped image of Spenser Rapone, who graduated from USMA a couple of years ago.

He wore a Che T-shirt under his uniform and had the message "Communism Will Win" in his hat. He's no longer in the Army.

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Response to Tipperary (Reply #3)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 03:22 PM

14. It may be photo shopped but it will appear in the 'real world' and available for sale ....

before too long!

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Response to Tipperary (Reply #3)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 03:26 PM

15. A graduating cadet would be taking one hell of a chance doing that. - n/t

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Response to Jim__ (Reply #15)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 03:28 PM

18. Yes, too easy to identify. nt

 

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Response to Jim__ (Reply #15)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 04:31 PM

28. He would HAVE to know Article 88 of the UCMJ!

They give courses on it.
I TOOK courses on it as a 2LT.

What you think is yours, but you damn well better not say it. And for good reasons.

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Response to Grins (Reply #28)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 05:22 PM

38. Of course he did.

UCMJ is taught, because, gee, as officers they have enforce it and sit on juries at courts martial.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 02:33 PM

4. Reassuring!! nt

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 02:35 PM

6. Sorry to say this is photoshopped.

There is absolutely no indication that it's on an undulating surface, it's too straight and flat, it's not on a fabric on an actual body.

Sorry to agree with the statement above.

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Response to Alex4Martinez (Reply #6)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 02:39 PM

8. Exactly. I use Photoshop almost every day...

Last edited Sat Jun 13, 2020, 04:22 PM - Edit history (1)

...for a living.

That image was badly Photoshopped.

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Response to Alex4Martinez (Reply #6)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 03:17 PM

13. It might be authentic. Many people say it's real. I think it's real. [email protected]#k the Bunker Boy. nt

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Response to AnotherMother4Peace (Reply #13)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 03:33 PM

21. You can see the stands in the background. And family members.

 

None of that this year.

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Response to AnotherMother4Peace (Reply #13)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 04:04 PM

27. If so, then that fresh lieutenant just set himself up for a possible dismissal for cause

UCMJ, Article 88: Contempt for Public Officials.

The Commander in Chief is number one on the list of officials that an active duty officer does not speak ill of, in any way.

Dismissal for cause is the equivalent of an Other Than Honorable Discharge for enlisted. After four years in the Academy Warring Blender, he can't be that stupid. On the other, if he is that stupid, best he be shown the door.

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Response to sarge43 (Reply #27)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 04:36 PM

29. So if you graduate from west point, you're automatically in the army? Aren't there some

graduates who don't go into the army?

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Response to BComplex (Reply #29)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 04:51 PM

31. Yes in most cases.

A select few can be selected for other branches. For example, a few of the Annapolis grads will go into the Marine Corps.

The Academies (West Point, Annapolis and Colorado Springs) are accredited universities and they're free. The graduates pay back the taxpayers with committing to five years of active duty service as commissioned officers.

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Response to sarge43 (Reply #31)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 04:55 PM

32. So are the graduates immediately members of the military? At graduation? Or do they have to

join/commit to active duty before they graduate?

What I'm asking is:
If this wasn't photoshopped, and this was a real graduate sporting a fuck trump t-shirt, and showing it at graduation (which I realize it probably isn't the case in reality), would that graduate be breaking any military laws? Does graduating from West Point mean that they ARE military right then?

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Response to BComplex (Reply #32)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 05:12 PM

36. I believe they take the oath as part of the ceremony

Yes, graduating and they're Uncle's.

I'm sure before they marched out for the bells and whistle drill they all signed a butt load of paper committing themselves. That's the way enlisted do it. Ink the contract then take the oath.

I'm prepared to sit corrected about this, but if they weren't commissioned at that point, I can guarantee cadet had a pound of ground round taken off his hindquarters by Them What Be In Charge for publicly embarrassing the Point and serious discussion about the iffness of that commission.

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Response to sarge43 (Reply #27)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 04:45 PM

30. How many times did I personally hear military people talk stink

About Presidents Clinton and Obama?

So many times.

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Response to mahina (Reply #30)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 04:56 PM

33. What was their status?

Were they active duty, officers, what exactly did they say, what happened to them? Some might have had the Book dropped on them. Contempt can be defined in many ways. I'd say "Fuck Yourself" would pass the test. "I don't like his policies.", not so much.

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Response to sarge43 (Reply #33)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 05:42 PM

39. Various. Yes. One in uniform on an airplane interisland with his family

And mine, when we were delayed by Oresident Clinton’s plane in the tarmac, he said he hoped the President’s plane would blow up. He looked at those of us around him, civilians, for approval with a smile and he got back shock and sorrow followed by anger.

I made my thoughts clear to him in as few words as possible. He was a 2nd Lt I’d I recall correctly. His wife was very uncomfortable. His kids weren’t really catching.

So many since.

I live near a Marine Corps air station that was “borrowed” during WWII and never returned. There were many families living there for countless generations. It is also a sacred place.

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Response to mahina (Reply #39)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 06:22 PM

40. Yes, that definitely passes the test.

Thank you for speaking up.

There aren't too many like him, but one is too many. They demean the trust that's been given to them.

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Response to sarge43 (Reply #40)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 07:11 PM

45. One of many. His behavior gave me to believe that he expected his comment to be met with agreement.

NO.

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Response to Alex4Martinez (Reply #6)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 06:43 PM

43. I'd say something like Paint. Dreadful use of Photoshop if that was the SW used.

It is such an obvious fake.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 02:36 PM

7. I hope he doesn't get caught. Nt

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Response to marlakay (Reply #7)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 05:14 PM

37. Mickey is pretty smart. He'll be fine.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 02:40 PM

10. Ah, well! It's a good sentiment anyway.

Ah, well! It's a good sentiment anyway.

Maybe it said something even worse.

Like - Go Navy!

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 02:47 PM

11. heart it. :)

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 03:13 PM

12. I hope they were allowed to wear masks

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Response to alfredo (Reply #12)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 06:22 PM

41. They were and distancing was in place. n/t

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Response to sarge43 (Reply #41)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 07:05 PM

44. Good.

I didn’t want to see trump hurting or killing our best just to bolster his ego.

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Response to sarge43 (Reply #41)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 07:51 AM

49. In 1936, my uncle graduated from West Point. It was during the depths of the Depression

and my grandmother had known that if her son, a very smart math student, were to get a college education it would have to be free. She wrote a letter to her congressman and got him into West Point. My uncle graduated just in time for WWII

Uncle David became an outspoken liberal after the war and moved from Texas to Colorado. As a kid I remember his strong support for Adlai Stevenson. He also had a pretty vivid of serving in Iraq (then Persia).

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #49)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 08:36 AM

50. Hand salute for your uncle.

He's in good company. Eisenhower was up front about going to the Point - free college degree.

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Response to sarge43 (Reply #50)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 08:59 AM

51. I have this old black and white studio photo of him in his uniform (prolly graduation photo).

I remember as a kid hearing him talk about how dismal Persia was. It was Persia in those days, right? I had no idea WWII was even fought in a place called Persia. None of the war movies of those days seemed to mention it and I wondered why?

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #51)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 10:10 AM

52. If there is a double row of brass buttons on the jacket, it's his grad photo.

"....I wondered why?"

It isn't a shining moment. We were there to occupy the oil fields and to intimate the Middle East. Don't get into bed with the Axis.
Hard to craft an heroic narrative from "business as usual".

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Response to sarge43 (Reply #52)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 11:11 AM

53. I got the feeling that he hated duty there. He wouldn't have called it a "s*hole" country but

he clearly didn't like duty there due to the awful conditions under which people lived.

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #53)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 12:06 PM

58. During WWII and for many years after, an overseas tour was an enlightening moment for Americans.

Hubby tells a story about his time in South Korea in the early 60's

He was in munition maintenance. Over time the scrap pile bunkers would fill up with obsolete and defective Go-bangs. The quick and easy way to get rid of them was blow 'em up. So hi ho, truck 'em down to the beach right in front of the cliff or ridge, set the detonators, get far far away and blow 'em. Almost forgot, guards had to be posted up and down the beach because the local kids would come swarming in to boost the wood (pallets and crates) and the metal. No they weren't inclined to follow EOD protocols.

Hub has said he was sorry for them, but there wasn't much to be done and he was happy as hell to leave and get back home.

Your uncle's feelings weren't unique.

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Response to sarge43 (Reply #52)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 11:20 AM

54. from the photo he had 4 rows of buttons, 3 per row spaced apart,loop at end.

3 buttons per row, left, center, right. Had a high collar, brass button on side.

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #54)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 11:40 AM

55. Yup. Grad photo.

I imagine he looked shockingly young. They usually do.

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Response to sarge43 (Reply #55)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 11:52 AM

56. He had some sort of medal, attached to the 3rd row of buttons.

How does one get a medal while still in school?

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #56)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 12:27 PM

59. Well, the academies students were/are in a quasi military status. Not quite, but close enough.

I noticed that the current Point grads had the National Defense Service Medal. That's passed out during any 'war' period. That started during Korea, then Vietnam, now since 9/11. Kinda thanks for playing. That's about all I say about academy personnel minutia. Active duty Air Force nitpicking was bad enough.

Not a good idea getting me started on the current habit of cranking out bling, like getting a ribbon for graduating basic training. Well of course, wouldn't be here if you didn't. I'm waiting for here's a ribbon for showing up for work for more than two days running. Oh wait, that's the Good Conduct Medal.

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Response to sarge43 (Reply #59)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 02:58 PM

60. I wish I could somehow PM you the photo. It is definitely '30s vintage so whatever he was

wearing, he was entitled to it. And this was an official photo.

Do you know what a good conduct medal prior to WWII might have meant? Just staying out of trouble? Sure doesn't sound like him, the way I knew him...

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #60)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 03:59 PM

61. He was an officer

Only enlisted get them. Officers were/are expected to conduct good; enlisted not so much - honest. It annoys me because good conduct is the norm, expected and required. Why should the working class be awarded for doing what we're suppose to do. More than that and above that, now we're talking. That should score a pat on the poo-poo.

Hub and I called the "You didn't get caught, Slick" award. There's one thousand and one ways to get a first edition arse sling or at least get your leg chewed on. Such as shoe polish on shoe laces or a couple of mustache hairs touching the vermilion (Yours truly and her one true love hold up hands). So as I told my recruits, pick the regs no one cares about and you too can have a pretty blue ribbon every three years to impress the civilians. Truth be told, at least in Uncle's Balloon Corps you had to screw up fairly spectacularly to lose the time for a GCM, a serious Article 15 hit or worse a court martial.

Please pardon the ole sarge rambling on.

I would like to see that picture. It's a piece of history.

Don't quote me, but the Academies no doubt have medals just for the outstanding cadets and midshipmen. If so, your uncle did well in the Waring Blender.

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Response to sarge43 (Reply #61)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 05:10 PM

62. I was fond of him because he stood for something decent and I just hated the racism and

RW crap I was seeing and hating in my society. Brown v. Board was decided my senior year of high school, so I went to legally segregated schools til I graduated. I went off east to school and never came back. My uncle David hated segregation, hated racism and moved away to Colorado.
I was sorry I never got to know him better.

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #62)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 05:43 PM

63. You've described a good man and a good officer.

Yeah, he saw much too much racism and segregation during his time in service. It really didn't going away --much--until the 70's.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 03:27 PM

16. Kicketty, kick, kick!!



Whether it’s photoshopped or not.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 03:28 PM

19. Subversive...I like that!

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 03:33 PM

20. This is the very best

Thing I have seen today!

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 03:37 PM

23. OK - there is our future! Gives me hope for better things to come. nt

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 03:55 PM

25. Is this the original? Maybe there are others....

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Response to blaze (Reply #25)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 05:02 PM

35. That's the one. He is no longer in the Army. It's from about 2-3 years ago.

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Response to Roy Rolling (Reply #26)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 06:26 PM

42. No one cares. They want to believe what they want to believe.

Gah.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 07:24 PM

46. Photo shopped. NT

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 08:09 PM

47. Oh please please let this be real.

And not some photo shopped fantasy.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 09:26 PM

48. Don't care if it's photoshopped...I want one of those shirts

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 12:01 PM

57. I very much hope it's true.

Even if not, it's still a message worth seeing and repeating.

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