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Fri Jun 12, 2020, 10:18 AM

Facebook is a right wing site.

I’m not on Facebook. Deleted my acct in 2012. There have been discussions and requests here in the recent past about boycotting FB and then some folks will come on and say they will not for reasons of family etc. It has been a controversial request. But we sure wanna boycott any FucksNews personality’s advertisers once that post gets circulated. What gives?


Every spewing right winger I have the misfortune to know gets ALL their info and news from FB.

It pisses me off when people post FB shit here. We have forum rules and FB is a rightwing peddling site that DOES NOT BELONG HERE.

Yep. I say that if you are on FB you are subscribing to and (if reposting here) then peddling right wing bullshit!

How Facebook Became the Social Media Home of the Right
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/06/how-facebook-became-the-social-media-home-of-the-right/amp

Liberal group flies banner over Facebook, accusing it of loving right-wing lies https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mercurynews.com/2019/11/05/liberal-group-flies-banner-over-facebook-accusing-it-of-loving-right-wing-lies/amp/

Democrats are fed up with Facebook https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/recode/2020/1/30/21115324/facebook-democrats-political-ads-mark-zuckerberg-joe-biden

How conservatives learned to wield power inside Facebook https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/02/20/facebook-republican-shift/%3foutputType=amp

PLEASE, please consider what you are supporting when you support FB by even having an account (since you know where Zuck stands and who’s back he has) and most certainly when you post any “found on FB” shit here!

That is all.




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Reply Facebook is a right wing site. (Original post)
Wawannabe Jun 2020 OP
Coleman Jun 2020 #1
mopinko Jun 2020 #2
Wawannabe Jun 2020 #3
KatyMan Jun 2020 #21
Wawannabe Jun 2020 #22
mopinko Jun 2020 #31
Wawannabe Jun 2020 #33
dustyscamp Jun 2020 #71
ancianita Jun 2020 #87
dustyscamp Jun 2020 #95
ancianita Jun 2020 #101
KatyMan Jun 2020 #32
SharonClark Jun 2020 #50
KatyMan Jun 2020 #52
ancianita Jun 2020 #88
obamanut2012 Jun 2020 #48
CurtEastPoint Jun 2020 #4
DavidDvorkin Jun 2020 #10
GoneOffShore Jun 2020 #37
greatauntoftriplets Jun 2020 #40
Polybius Jun 2020 #5
Wawannabe Jun 2020 #8
Polybius Jun 2020 #25
Wawannabe Jun 2020 #30
Squinch Jun 2020 #35
empedocles Jun 2020 #6
Niagara Jun 2020 #11
SharonClark Jun 2020 #51
lambchopp59 Jun 2020 #76
Niagara Jun 2020 #94
SoonerPride Jun 2020 #12
SharonClark Jun 2020 #53
SoonerPride Jun 2020 #55
SharonClark Jun 2020 #58
GoneOffShore Jun 2020 #89
SoonerPride Jun 2020 #92
GoneOffShore Jun 2020 #96
ancianita Jun 2020 #105
EllieBC Jun 2020 #107
JonLP24 Jun 2020 #111
Squinch Jun 2020 #7
Mike Nelson Jun 2020 #9
Wawannabe Jun 2020 #15
exboyfil Jun 2020 #16
SharonClark Jun 2020 #56
leftyladyfrommo Jun 2020 #13
Mosby Jun 2020 #18
Wawannabe Jun 2020 #19
Squinch Jun 2020 #38
EllieBC Jun 2020 #78
2naSalit Jun 2020 #14
JonLP24 Jun 2020 #17
GoneOffShore Jun 2020 #45
JonLP24 Jun 2020 #60
GoneOffShore Jun 2020 #63
JonLP24 Jun 2020 #67
Stuart G Jun 2020 #20
ancianita Jun 2020 #81
Maru Kitteh Jun 2020 #23
JonLP24 Jun 2020 #29
Maru Kitteh Jun 2020 #34
grumpyduck Jun 2020 #24
HotTeaBag Jun 2020 #26
nolabear Jun 2020 #27
marmar Jun 2020 #28
pnwmom Jun 2020 #36
Bettie Jun 2020 #39
GoneOffShore Jun 2020 #44
dustyscamp Jun 2020 #75
Bettie Jun 2020 #93
GoneOffShore Jun 2020 #41
LymphocyteLover Jun 2020 #61
GoneOffShore Jun 2020 #86
GusBob Jun 2020 #42
Blue_Adept Jun 2020 #43
obamanut2012 Jun 2020 #47
obamanut2012 Jun 2020 #46
JonLP24 Jun 2020 #57
LeftInTX Jun 2020 #49
brooklynite Jun 2020 #54
TheFarseer Jun 2020 #59
BamaRefugee Jun 2020 #62
GoneOffShore Jun 2020 #90
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BamaRefugee Jun 2020 #98
GoneOffShore Jun 2020 #100
BamaRefugee Jun 2020 #103
maxsolomon Jun 2020 #64
ancianita Jun 2020 #74
Trueblue Texan Jun 2020 #65
bucolic_frolic Jun 2020 #66
seta1950 Jun 2020 #68
Mr.Bill Jun 2020 #69
ancianita Jun 2020 #70
ancianita Jun 2020 #82
NNadir Jun 2020 #72
Bluesaph Jun 2020 #73
KG Jun 2020 #77
Six117 Jun 2020 #79
ancianita Jun 2020 #80
lambchopp59 Jun 2020 #83
totodeinhere Jun 2020 #84
ancianita Jun 2020 #85
Awsi Dooger Jun 2020 #99
MineralMan Jun 2020 #102
GoneOffShore Jun 2020 #104
Odoreida Jun 2020 #106
Captain Stern Jun 2020 #108
Tipperary Jun 2020 #109
Wawannabe Jun 2020 #112
BannonsLiver Jun 2020 #116
Tipperary Jun 2020 #117
tritsofme Jun 2020 #110
Wawannabe Jun 2020 #114
EllieBC Jun 2020 #115
Wawannabe Jun 2020 #118
Skittles Jun 2020 #113

Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 10:28 AM

1. I'm off of Facebook

because some person hijacked my account and working with FB to get everything straight is one of the most tedious things I have ever tried. They ask for a copy of ID then send you a code to use, but the code is sent to the hijacker instead.

I very seldom use my feed to communicate with friends and family. I've dropped younger friends because they us it for texting. But I digress.

I use it for information. I follow specific sites to include political, atheist, and military. The rare and random right wing crap gets banned.

Because of the positions Zuck has taken, I'm not going back on.

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 10:34 AM

2. fb is what you make it. what we make it.

i brook no assholes on my timeline.

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Response to mopinko (Reply #2)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 10:38 AM

3. I disagree

And have made my point above.

Your (and those with your attitude) support of that site is absolutely why I wrote this OP. Whether or not you have anything to do with the assholes is irrelevant. The site is owned and operated by Republican supporters and this very fact should make you squirm for supporting them.

My opinion.

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Response to Wawannabe (Reply #3)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 11:25 AM

21. Well so is pretty much every

Major company any of us do business with. At least with FB you can choose what you see. Like mopinko my feed is full of DU type political feeds, atheist stuff, an overabundance of guitar/guitarist/band sites, too many meme and cat pages with a smattering of friends and family. It is what you make it and I find it useful. If you don't that's fine, you do you.

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Response to KatyMan (Reply #21)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 11:28 AM

22. The point is being missed

But I won’t try to point that out to you again. It’s OK. You do you.

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Response to Wawannabe (Reply #22)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 11:45 AM

31. so is mine. by you.

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Response to mopinko (Reply #31)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 11:46 AM

33. mopinko

I totally get your point. But you go ahead and support a right wing site.

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Response to Wawannabe (Reply #33)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 01:10 PM

71. You should tell the admins of this site to delete their facebook Du page too

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Response to dustyscamp (Reply #71)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 01:57 PM

87. Hell no, I won't. DU has a 1st Amendment right to promote Democratic Party values,

Last edited Fri Jun 12, 2020, 03:25 PM - Edit history (1)

and everyone here should back DU's work on Facebook to do that.

I'm not at all feelin' the tone of this thread. This isn't about Facebook. This is about US using Facebook as a reason to back away from one particular digital messaging platform.

Why. Because of whatever reason. Everyone needs an excuse? There's no excuse.

DU should stay on Facebook. Stand up for the Democratic Party.

That's what I'm going to do, too.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #87)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 02:38 PM

95. I should have added a sarcasm tag

I agree with you.

If we all leave social media because the platforms have some Right-wing leaning agenda it would be a big mistake. The Right will be free to do what they want and will be able to CONTROL the message. We can't let them silence us like that, we can't let them have their way. We NEED to DEFEND our ideas and beliefs. We can't do that if we keep running away. Stand your ground and fight for a better future!

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Response to dustyscamp (Reply #95)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 03:23 PM

101. Ah. I see. Okay, cool.

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Response to Wawannabe (Reply #22)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 11:45 AM

32. What point am I missing?

Last edited Fri Jun 12, 2020, 12:30 PM - Edit history (1)

Your post doesn't go much beyond saying it's RW and you need to get off! If not you're indoctrinated!. The links are fine, but make your point and use the articles as a backup or reinforcement rather than making people try to figure out what you're saying. Your post isn't much different than blind linking--threads that have a title and a link. Make your post about what you are trying to say.

Besides MSNBC is owned by a RW company, and has hosts who are not particularly liked on here, but people still watch it, same with CNN. And if a person's news feed is full of RW bullshit, fix your feed. If your nutjob friend or uncle keeps posting Trumper shit, unfriend them. My feed is tame, I don't click on any ads and it's easier to keep up with family, new releases from favorite bands, science/history/art articles I may have missed otherwise, etc. It's a tool. Don't insult those of us that use it like we're some kind of Vichy collaborators.

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Response to KatyMan (Reply #32)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 12:21 PM

50. Well said.

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Response to SharonClark (Reply #50)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 12:33 PM

52. Thanks.

Seems like a variation on a 'purity test' post. DU doesn't need to be preachy.
Have a great weekend SharonClark!

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Response to KatyMan (Reply #32)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 01:58 PM

88. +1000

That's the party spirit!

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Response to Wawannabe (Reply #3)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 12:07 PM

48. Well, you can disagree all you like, but you are wrong

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Response to mopinko (Reply #2)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 10:39 AM

4. Ditto.

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Response to mopinko (Reply #2)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 10:58 AM

10. Exactly right.

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Response to mopinko (Reply #2)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 11:49 AM

37. Neither do I. Plus there are a lot of groups that I follow that are very useful.

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Response to mopinko (Reply #2)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 11:54 AM

40. That's exactly what I was going to say.

But I do keep a couple of idiots around for laughs.

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 10:45 AM

5. I've been on for 13 years, I get enjoyment out of it

Zuckerberg is not a Republican, he's a greedy opportunist. Yes, he needs to do more to stop right-wing fake news, but I guarantee he's not voting for Trump.

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Response to Polybius (Reply #5)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 10:51 AM

8. Just so you know I am laughing my ass off at your reply

You guarantee?? Seriously?
How exactly shall you prove your guarantee?

Wow. Just. WOW!

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Response to Wawannabe (Reply #8)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 11:32 AM

25. He's liberal

I have never seen one liberal vote for Trump. He may have gotten a few conservative Democrats to support him in 2016, but he's not getting a single liberal vote in 2020.

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Response to Polybius (Reply #25)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 11:44 AM

30. Your speech is totally anecdotal

You guarantee?
You have never...?

How do you get to see the votes?
Please tell me how you get this great honor that the rest of us don’t.

The statements you are making are pretty unbelievable and you should examine them very carefully. You have nothing to stand on.
You get that, right?

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Response to Polybius (Reply #25)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 11:46 AM

35. He's a conservative rich white boy from Ardsley. And he let

Cambridge Analytica use all of your data, without your permission, to elect Trump.

Your comment is just not supported by his actions.

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 10:46 AM

6. Need a viable facebook alternative. Where is Soros, Bloomberg, et al

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Response to empedocles (Reply #6)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 11:00 AM

11. Here's an alternative.

The founder of the Occupy Democrats Facebook page created an anti-tRump social network called Liker.

https://www.liker.com/

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Response to Niagara (Reply #11)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 12:25 PM

51. An 'alternative' that doesn't include friends and family and is all about Trump?

No thank you.

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Response to Niagara (Reply #11)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 01:19 PM

76. Thanks! I just joined up.

I got disgusted and deleted facebook after getting ganged up on by anti-Obama assholes in 2010. I like the idea of a smarter alternative.

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Response to lambchopp59 (Reply #76)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 02:11 PM

94. You're welcome, lambchopp59.

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Response to empedocles (Reply #6)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 11:04 AM

12. I and a bunch of my friends moved to MeWe.

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Response to SoonerPride (Reply #12)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 12:35 PM

53. MeWe has tons of pro-Trump, pro-Faux, pro-NRA, and other right wing groups

It claims to have no ads and no spyware. Have you found any other differences from facebook?

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Response to SharonClark (Reply #53)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 12:37 PM

55. I think they keep my data private which is why I left FB

I don’t join any groups other than music groups. Haven’t run into trump fans

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Response to SoonerPride (Reply #55)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 12:43 PM

58. Thanks for letting me know.

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Response to SoonerPride (Reply #55)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 01:59 PM

89. Sure they keep your data private. That horse left Pandora's box a long time ago.

Internet connection, smart phone, etc, etc.

Unless you're using a TOR browser, VPN, a high grade encryption programme for your emails, 'burner' phones, etc, etc., your data is out there.

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Response to GoneOffShore (Reply #89)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 02:03 PM

92. I don't get targeted ads like I did on FB.

And they aren't using my cellphone to eavesdrop on me to sell me things.

I had instances where I would be in my car driving talking to someone in the car, not on the phone, and the next time I logged onto Facebook I would see an ad for something we had talked about. Something entirely odd and random too.

Yeah, my data may be out there, but I'm not being spied on by Zuckerberg and being sold to make him more money

That's good enough for me.

Facebook is straight up evil and should be abandoned by every thinking person.

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Response to SoonerPride (Reply #92)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 02:40 PM

96. And scene. Bless your heart.

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Response to SoonerPride (Reply #92)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 03:48 PM

105. If you're not being sold, you are the product. You are being tracked and data

collected and sold, even if it's not Zuckerberg, and even when you're not using the phone. And more and more of your data is out there every day.

Evil? Zuckerberg has a track record of helping the FBI round up child porn networks, and child predators; here's one recent example.
https://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-quietly-helped-fbi-hack-child-predator-2020-6 ...

and criminals...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/mar/16/fbi-facebook-crime-study

like those boogalosers who were set to loot and burn Las Vegas under cover of the George Floyd protests out there.

You're already being spied on. By people trying to be as rich as Zuck, but way more hidden, letting him take all the heat in Washington. At least his business model is not hidden in the fine print.

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Response to SoonerPride (Reply #92)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 03:59 PM

107. Make sure you tell DU admin

They failed your purity test. They’re going to be really sad.

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Response to SoonerPride (Reply #92)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 04:41 PM

111. Neither did I

I'd say over 10 years ago Facebook was useful for connecting with family & friends but the site today is completely different than what it used to be.

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 10:51 AM

7. You are absolutely correct. Though someone, apparently, has taken offense to your post.

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 10:52 AM

9. Well...

... respectfully, I disagree. I would urge people to stay on Facebook, Twitter, etc... and post Progressive stuff. Share stuff from DU and - one of my favorites - "Occupy Democrats" - They are on Facebook - If our voice is diminished, they win. I'm sorry it's not for you... that's okay. You have a right to be where you want.

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Response to Mike Nelson (Reply #9)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 11:08 AM

15. Thanks for your rec and reply, Mike

My question for you is:

Are you a member of any right wing site so that you can be a counter voice?

The opinion I hold is not because I have a diminished voice there or anywhere. (I am female so my voice is diminished no matter what).

Again, it is a controversial topic. The main point is to keep the conversation going because when someone is engrossed in their comfort zone they just keep on keepin on.

It’s systemic now. FB been around over a decade now, right? You’ve (and others) been indoctrinated and will continue to support them with your account because you are comfortable.

———————————————————
in·doc·tri·na·tion
/inˌdäktrəˈnāSHən/
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noun
the process of teaching a person or group to accept a set of beliefs uncritically.

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Response to Mike Nelson (Reply #9)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 11:08 AM

16. Tried that but who has the time to stop the torrent of crap

I try to vet everything I post, but my conservative friends put up whatever is floating out there. The response I got back from one is that it is out there. No critical thinking at all.

I got totally off last year (except for when I absolutely have to use it to contact someone).

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Response to exboyfil (Reply #16)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 12:41 PM

56. Maybe people who have your experience on Facebook should stop trying to be a keyboard warrior,

fighting with other keyboard warriors whose views you will never change, and do something more productive that makes you feel better.

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 11:06 AM

13. Sorry to say this but FB is keeping me sane right now.

It's the only way I have to keep in touch with my family and my friends.

And Berkeley Breathed's Opus is there.

None of us really do politics. We just do Far Side cartoons and Calvin and Hobbs and other classics and cute animal stuff and pretty photographs.

I don't even know where the political stuff is.

It's relief from the boredom of having to stay indoors for who knows how long. None of us are good with all the fancy computer stuff.

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Response to leftyladyfrommo (Reply #13)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 11:13 AM

18. I was thrilled when I found bloom county

I don't really have a lot of issues with my page, but I'm not in a lot of groups where all the crap stuff is posted. I mute a couple friends who post RW political stuff, otherwise most of my family and friends are liberals.

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Response to leftyladyfrommo (Reply #13)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 11:13 AM

19. See post 13 please

Especially the last bits.
Indoctrination.

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Response to leftyladyfrommo (Reply #13)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 11:52 AM

38. It's the only way you DO keep in touch with them, but is it the only way you CAN?

And, given that it was instrumental in electing trump, and given that that means your data is being used against you, isn't it worthwhile to find other ways to keep in touch?

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Response to leftyladyfrommo (Reply #13)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 01:28 PM

78. Same.

It’s where I can interact with friends and family that live far. Which is most of them. I’m not giving that up. Guess I’m not a warrior for “the cause”.

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 11:06 AM

14. Considering his first major investors...

who still are involved, are friends of pooty... I tell friends and family that I will harm them if I find out they have posted my name or image on that POS propaganda website.

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 11:10 AM

17. Twitter is better for left wing politics

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Response to JonLP24 (Reply #17)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 12:05 PM

45. Sure, if you've got the time and energy to scroll through a Twitter thread.

It's 'Short Attention Span Theater' for people who can't digest paragraphs.

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Response to GoneOffShore (Reply #45)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 12:44 PM

60. I wish I could type more paragraphs into Twitter

That is one of the drawbacks but followers & follows I have I can't get anywhere else.

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Response to JonLP24 (Reply #60)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 12:52 PM

63. I just don't have the time or energy for dealing with Twitter.

One of the reasons I come here.

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Response to GoneOffShore (Reply #63)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 12:55 PM

67. I wish DU had more people

Some of the people I follow don't post at DU anymore.

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 11:18 AM

20. If you don't believe..Hit the links in the Original Post. Read the articles.

Article # 1..Vanity Fair article is very good. History of Zuckerberg & his backing of Trump...

Article # 2, Mercury News..is also good....

Very important...You need to read the articles to understand the problem with Facebook & Zuck..

ALSO:...I DID NOT KNOW THIS ABOUT FACEBOOK UNTIL TODAY..., SO DON'T ASSUME THAT FACEBOOK FRIENDS KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS...

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Response to Stuart G (Reply #20)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 01:33 PM

81. EXACTLY!

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 11:31 AM

23. People don't use Home Depot to keep in touch with their Grandma

There have been discussions and requests here in the recent past about boycotting FB and then some folks will come on and say they will not for reasons of family etc. It has been a controversial request. But we sure wanna boycott any FucksNews personality’s advertisers once that post gets circulated. What gives?


Don't know why this is difficult for folks to understand.

You go ahead and do you. That's awesome. Other folks are going to make decisions based on their own circumstances, needs, and wants. That's okay too.

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Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #23)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 11:43 AM

29. It was useful for keeping in touch with Army friends & family

Over time though I seen mostly my family become more conservative over time. Eventually I lost my login information created a new account but couldn't find my friends but I could easily find DUers. Anyways I deleted that account. Also Facebook tracking is downright creepy compared to most apps.

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Response to JonLP24 (Reply #29)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 11:46 AM

34. See, that right there is what I mean.

That's your experience, and your choice. Other people have different experiences and make their own choices. Nothing wrong with either of them.

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 11:32 AM

24. I have no use for it.

Wanna catch up with someone? Email, text, or that antiquated, primordial, galaxy-class obsolete contraption called a telephone. And heaven forbid we revert to a pre-Jurassic-era relic called a letter.

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 11:33 AM

26. "Facebook is a right wing site".

 

"I'm not on Facebook".

K.

Facebook can be (and is) anything from far, far right to far, far, left to nothing but cat pictures. It all depends on where and with whom you roam.

I love it and will continue to love it.

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 11:36 AM

27. No, I'm not going to wall them off and let them spread it undiluted.

I spent a LOT of time on FB yesterday posting photos and videos I took of Seattle’s Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone. They were widely shared. They directly counter the RW depiction of the place. I try to be respectful because attacking only concretizes behavior but I won’t back down from facts.

I have many relatives who are right wing, and some 45 supporters. I know they see what I post. If they want to talk we talk. If not they at least know I am happy to engage and try to reason. If I didn’t they could define me rather than me doing it.

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 11:36 AM

28. I think it depends on how FB has profiled you.


My FB feed is nothing but posts from left news and opinion sites, travel-related entities, a few humor/satire sites and of course friends' posts.

You get what you seek in other words.

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 11:47 AM

36. I post news of interest to progressives on FB every day, and so do my friends.

The surest way to turn FB red is for all the progressives to stop posting there.

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 11:52 AM

39. If it is the place most of those idiots get their information

maybe we should push our views as hard as the right wing does.

Weaponize the platform the same way they have instead of throwing up our metaphorical hands and saying "Oh well, lost that one!".

We should learn to wield power there too.

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Response to Bettie (Reply #39)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 12:03 PM

44. Too right, and some of us do.

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Response to Bettie (Reply #39)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 01:13 PM

75. +1 but a lot of Dems are afraid to do that or just want to runaway

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Response to dustyscamp (Reply #75)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 02:04 PM

93. I won't leave

YES, I've realized that some people are what we call a lost cause, but there are people who can be reached and if they live in a right wing echo chamber, that won't happen.

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 12:02 PM

41. Ah, right. As someone said, Facebook is what you make of it.

I'm active in Democrats Abroad, Americans Retiring in France, Living in Aix-en-Provence, etc.
I follow people like Peter Turnley(the photographer - Google him), Rick Steves, David Knopfler, John Pavlovitz, Robert Reich, Charlie Pierce.
And anytime I catch ReichWing talking points on a friends feed or comments, they get fact checked.

Oh, and I posted something I found on FB the other night - A New Definition of MAGA
Cool your jets.

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Response to GoneOffShore (Reply #41)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 12:51 PM

61. Agree. And a few liberals leaving FB is not going to change anything.

I am not going to leave and let that place be taken over by the crazies.

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Response to LymphocyteLover (Reply #61)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 01:54 PM

86. That's a good approach.

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 12:02 PM

42. I'm 2500 miles from home. Stranded because of covid

I live and work on a remote Indian Reservation in the mountains. I have limited Wi-Fi service, next to none cellular service and the mail takes 2 weeks.

Due to strict Tribal COVID quarantines and curfews, I am unable to travel. I haven't seen my friends and family since December 2019. Probably wont until well into 2021.

And you are telling me what? No way

There is not a thing you can say or do to stop me from using FB. It is literally a lifeline keeping me sane in a very tough situation

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 12:03 PM

43. Watching so many of my apolitical or casual lefty friends going hard left the last few years

on facebook has been an utter delight.

Thankfully, I curate my experience there with FB purity. No ads. No conservatives in my friend circles. Easy management of the business page I have to keep there.

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Response to Blue_Adept (Reply #43)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 12:06 PM

47. same

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 12:06 PM

46. No, it isn't

The irrational hate by some here for FB is bizarre.

Like other people said, it is what you make of it. If you are a RW, it will be RW. You need to cull your friends and family if that's what it is for you. I literally never see anyone post anything hateful or RW, unless it is to show what Trump or someone said.

You do know we use it to organize protests an dother liberal stuff, right?

Your OP is ridiculous and literally factually wrong.

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #46)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 12:42 PM

57. I don't think it is irrational

Facebook has problems as a company and they need to be strongly regulated. Whether someone is a user is up to them but they have many problems. Same goes for YouTube or Twitter.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Facebook

As far as being a right wing website

Report: Tech companies have secret data showing that conservative voices outperform liberals

I. Facebook organic content
Media Matters conducted three extensive studies of political pages on Facebook (pages that post about politics or news regularly), all finding that left-leaning and right-leaning content performed about the same. Those same studies show that right-wing meme pages are the most engaged-with content on Facebook.

Facebook has allowed these meme pages to regularly push false, nativist, and racist messaging.

Specific investigations of topics found an even wider gap. Right-wing sources dominated social media discussions of abortion in April and about the Central American migrant caravan around the 2018 midterm election.

(Snip)

Facebook has also allowed the Trump campaign and Republicans to break its advertising rules.

Donald Trump’s campaign ran over 2,200 ads this year referring to immigration as an invasion -- a white supremacist dog whistle later echoed in the manifesto of the El Paso, TX, mass shooter. Nine other Republicans ran similar ads since May 2018. Facebook’s advertising policies and community standards prohibit attacks which target a group of people based on their immigration status. The policy clearly states that “violent” or “dehumanizing” attacks against a group of people based on immigration status are prohibited.

https://www.mediamatters.org/facebook/report-tech-companies-have-secret-data-showing-conservative-voices-outperform-liberals

Feel free to use Facebook but they do need regulation.

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 12:18 PM

49. Why was the 2020 Texas Democratic Convention on Facebook Live?

Why is Joe Biden buying ads on Facebook?

Why are so many Democratic electeds and candidates on FB?

Why did Obama use FB to his advantage in 2008?
Why didn't Hillary invest in FB ads in 2016?

I assume the Democratic National Convention will also be on Facebook Live.

Please complain to the Democratic Party and get them to change their ways...

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 12:37 PM

54. The Internet is a right wing site...

Plenty of Trump supporters get all their information from the Internet, so I guess we should boycott it?

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 12:43 PM

59. If I just I friended one person

I would not have any RW stuff on my feed. It would just be people’s vacations and kids. The small amount of RW stuff is so poorly done, it just amuses me.

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 12:52 PM

62. The world is a right wing world! I'm deleting myself!

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Response to BamaRefugee (Reply #62)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 02:01 PM

90. You have to block yourself here first. Then on Facebook and Quora.

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Response to GoneOffShore (Reply #90)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 02:02 PM

91. Blocking is obviously a left wing conspiracy! ;-)

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Response to BamaRefugee (Reply #91)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 02:43 PM

97. And some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints.

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Response to GoneOffShore (Reply #97)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 02:47 PM

98. ahhh those relaxing days in Facebook prison...

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Response to BamaRefugee (Reply #98)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 03:21 PM

100. That's only happened to me once.

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Response to GoneOffShore (Reply #100)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 03:40 PM

103. I've spent many days there. Since I've posted hundreds and hundreds of anti-trump things, they

harass me endlessly.
I posted a totally innocent picture of a chubby lady at a picnic, who was blissfully unaware that she had a slice of Velveeta stuck to her thigh. Nothing even CLOSE to nudity, obscenity, nothing.
I got 30 days for posting something that could endanger children. There wasn't a child to be seen in the pic. And my page is set for 18+

just a gently funny "oops moment" photo.

They do it all the time.

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 12:52 PM

64. Quitting is basically screaming into the void.

FB won't notice you're gone; only your mental health would.

It is the de facto social network linking the entire planet at this point.

Twitter, now THAT is poison.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #64)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 01:10 PM

74. +1

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 12:53 PM

65. I've boycotted since 2016 election

Didn’t take long after that for me to realize FB has nothing to contribute to Democracy.

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 12:54 PM

66. Never used it, never will

To me it's FacePalm.

When I am old, hopefully very old, and very successful, I don't want to say I wasted my time on Facebook. I lived better by enjoying real life, I made more money by investing time in my pursuits instead of social media. I try to take action that will pay off for me. If my actions cause extremely rich people to become richer, I'm taking the wrong action. I should try to improve it.

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 12:58 PM

68. I have been off for 5 years

I hate Facebook they are allowing trolls to conduct election interference.

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 01:03 PM

69. Never been there. n/t

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 01:09 PM

70. Facebook is helping the Boogaloo Movement along, in plain sight.

Excerpts from the Bellingcat report:

Research by the Tech Transparency Project shows that there were at least 125 Facebook groups devoted to the boogaloo by April 22nd, 2020.

On the Facebook page, Big Igloo Bois, which at the time of writing had 30,637 followers...

dozens of groups and pages currently on Facebook, with names like “Patrioti/k/ Boogaloo Bois”, “The /K/oronavirus: Electric Boogaloo”, “The /K/ombatant”, and “Carolina /K/ommando” — reference /k/ in their title. Most post ironic /k/-friendly memes on a few repeating topics: guns, civil war and social collapse, and, oftentimes, violent conflict with law enforcement officers.

one example of this on the Firearms Unknown Facebook page (motto: because the RedCoats aren’t going to shoot themselves). It has 28,060 followers:


Not to mention the millions that "see" and "Like" their posts and home pages.

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2020/05/27/the-boogaloo-movement-is-not-what-you-think/

From my May 28 DU post:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213499272

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Response to ancianita (Reply #70)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 01:36 PM

82. THAT said, I say know the enemy and take the fight to THEM!

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 01:10 PM

72. I never went on, and never will. I don't do Twitter either.

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 01:10 PM

73. It's also a marketplace

I use it for my business and get most of my orders through Facebook. Not all black and white.

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 01:27 PM

77. I lulz'd

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 01:31 PM

79. I loathe and despise fb

That is not irrational -that is the direct result of the harm I've seen come from how fb operates. Yes, "you do you", but nothing good from fb will ever make up for the very real damage it has done. Some of us are ok with being a part of that for our own reasons, some of us thankfully -are not.

Much love to those of you doing your part to make that difference!

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 01:32 PM

80. So it is. SO WHAT?! We should just throw up our hands and give up? Well I'm not.

Retreating always gives those who hate us more room to dominate all communications.

No way am I ceding public discourse ground to them.

They have to prove and own what they say or I mock and meme them relentlessly.

Know what the antifa mission statement is?

You fight them by writing letters and making phone calls so you don't have to fight them with fists. You fight them with fists so you don't have to fight them with knives.
You fight them with knives so you don't have to fight them with guns.
You fight them with guns so you don't have to fight them with tanks.

"Murray" from Baltimore



If we walk away and leave the fight in COMMUNICATIONS to them, their psyop mission will succeed. We can't do that. We must not let them have the communications platform of millions.

Journalism is helping us. We should lean in, act on what journalism tells us and not be passive handwringing bystanders. We must help journalism keep discourse democratic, not fascist. From The Atlantic, three years ago:

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/10/what-facebook-did/542502/




Winning the democratic messaging for America is for our children and grandchildren! Start here, where they talk and you won't be dragged out to fight them in the streets, which is exactly what they want!

You give in to the doubt machine and bots, you just let evil win.

Can we beat them?

Yes we can!

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 01:43 PM

83. I deleted my BookFace in 2010

I got so tired of seeing racist memes of President Obama. My prior travel work assignments were full of RWNJ's, and a few shy liberals who talked me into joining "that fun site". It got really un-fun once President Obama was elected, then after the devastating 2010 midterms, and the Teabaggers went wild. Anything I posted got magnanimously bashed, I got de-friended by all but a few family that I don't need fucking BookFace to keep touch with anyhow.
Those memes were so out of line, moderators should have been doing their jobs, but weren't.
So I said fuck BookFace and their administration, I'll never use it again.

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 01:46 PM

84. I have to engage with Facebook because my employer maintains a company Facebook page

for marketing purposes.

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 01:53 PM

85. Stop making this about Facebook and make this about the right wingers!

Facebook is a 1st Amendment platform. There are no excuses to not get the courage to get on it!

Can we stalk, mock and meme right wingers on Facebook??

Yes, we fucking can!


Can we stop them in the digital world so we don't have to fight them in the real world? Can we demoralize them? Demean and discourage them?

Yes we fucking can!

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 03:00 PM

99. Rightwing relatives/friends are always touting crap they read on Facebook

 

I summarized the other day to my aunt, "Facebook is where old scared white people happily misrepresent the world to other old scared white people."

She immediately took offense to it. Then I asked her who sends her the links she reads on Facebook. She conceded they are all from her Republican friends, aged 75 and up.

In 2016 Facebook is where she learned that Hillary sold uranium to the Russians. I don't let her hear the end of that one.



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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 03:29 PM

102. So, you left Facebook in 2012, but you are an expert

on it in 2020? How does that work, exactly?

Facebook looks different for everyone who uses it. Some folks, like me, don't see right wing stuff on the site at all. I've hidden all of the right-wingers who have shown up on my feed. Most of them were old high school classmates, and I'm in a group for those classmates. But, I can hide any of them I wish, and do.

If a right winger shows up on my feed, that's the last time I will see that person. I also hide ads and content from right-wing advertisers.

Bottom line is that I see almost no right-wing content.

But, you haven't been on Facebook for eight years. Still, you're telling others what they should do. I'm sorry, but I make my own decisions about where I go on the internet. Good luck with that, eh?

By the way, I spend most of my time on DU. I support DU by donating to it. I support sites I like by supporting them.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #102)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 03:43 PM

104. This about a thousand times.

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 03:58 PM

106. Whatever Z may have said in a progressive direction at one time ...

 

... he is toast when Trump loses the election.

There will be prosecutions. Something about Russians.

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 04:24 PM

108. This again?

If it's been said once, it's been said a brazillian times....your Facebook experience is what you make of it.

I've been on Facebook for twelve years.

For the most part, it's been a pleasant experience for me.

I don't see right-wing 'news' stories on my feed. You know why?....I'm not friends with people that post shit like that.


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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 04:27 PM

109. Lol, good luck.

 

People will boycott chicken sandwiches or coffee. Probably things they never buy anyway, but hell no to boycotting the precious Facebook. Kind of funny, actually.

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Response to Tipperary (Reply #109)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 05:10 PM

112. Lol!

The “precious”!


I am not trying to get people to boycott specifically. I want to make sure everyone knows Facebook is owned and operated by right wing supporters. I also get that people here watch FoxNews to make sure they know what the wtf those idiots are saying over there.

But. When folks go all out to boycott tucker’s advertisers (One example, OReilly another) then I can’t help but wonder why in the heck folks support the biggest right wing run site in the country.

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Response to Tipperary (Reply #109)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 05:59 PM

116. Indeed

Some of the responses in the thread seem to indicate not only a militant desire to defend FB but also seems like their life would fall apart without it. Mark has trained well. The image of Barking seals waiting for a fish comes to mind.

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #116)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 06:46 PM

117. Ha!

 

Ok, you hit that on the head. Zuckboy has them well trained.

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 04:29 PM

110. The proselytizing on this got old a long time ago.

If you don’t like it, I encourage you not to use it.

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Response to tritsofme (Reply #110)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 05:16 PM

114. I don't. First line of the OP.

I am not pushing my beliefs on anyone. Didn’t ask you or anyone not to use it. Simply pointing out (again) who runs it and who that person supports. Also pointing out that we don’t support right wing ideas/sites here.

Rupert Murdock ring a bell? Same thing. We knock Fox all the time. But. Hmmmmmmm
Not FB.

You go ahead and support that right wing company with your account

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Response to Wawannabe (Reply #114)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 05:28 PM

115. Did you know DU

has an FB page and group?

Maybe don’t visit this site as per your words it supports a right wing company.

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Response to EllieBC (Reply #115)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 09:27 PM

118. I didn't know because I am not on FB

I am not asking you, DU or anyone to stop using FB.

Again. Pointing out that by having an account there one is supporting the site and the people that make the decisions etc.

Those people support tRump policies if not tRump himself.

I think that this hits a little too close to home for those that have become so DIVISIVE about my OP. Even to the point of inviting me to leave. Feeling a little exclusive too, are you?
Too bad.

Bottom line? By having an account at FB, one supports them.

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 05:11 PM

113. it sickens me how many people were sucked into the Facebook Borg

UGH

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