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Sat Jun 6, 2020, 12:20 PM

Can it happen here? Bill Moyers says it's happening right before our very eyes

Published 1 min ago on June 6, 2020
By Bill Moyers- Commentary



At 98, historian Bernard Weisberger has seen it all. Born in 1922, he grew up watching newsreels of Benito Mussolini and Adolf Hitler as they rose to power in Europe. He vividly remembers Mussolini posturing to crowds from his balcony in Rome, chin outthrust, right arm extended. Nor has he forgotten Der Fuehrer’s raspy voice on radio, interrupted by cheers of “Heil Hitler,” full of menace even without pictures.

Fascist bullies and threats anger Bernie, and when America went to war to confront them, he interrupted his study of history to help make history by joining the army. He yearned to be an aviator but his eyesight was too poor. So he took a special course in Japanese at Columbia University and was sent as a translator to the China-Burma-India theater where Japanese warlords were out to conquer Asia. Bernie remembers them, too.

In time, we became colleagues on a series of broadcasts about the 20th century. As we compared the leadership of Franklin D. Roosevelt and Adolf Hitler in an episode titled The President and the Dictator, Bernie kept reminding the team that the most cunning demagogues “are never more than a few steps from becoming dictators.” Not surprisingly, the subject came up again when Trump was elected. No, we didn’t think he was Hitler, or the Republicans Nazis, but both of us acknowledged a deep unease over the vulnerabilities of democracy, which had led to Trump’s election in the first place. Inspired by Bernie and unnerved by Trump, I decided to take a deeper look at democracy under stress and began reading what is now more than a dozen books on Europe in the 1930s. The most recent is a compelling and chilling account of Hitler’s First Hundred Days, by the historian Peter Fritzsche – a familiar story revisited by the author with fresh verve and insight.

Hitler was a master of manipulation, using propaganda, violence, intimidation, showmanship, and spectacle — and above all, fear. By demonizing “the other” – Jews, social democrats and communists – Hitler won the hearts and minds of the masses, consolidating his power, and turning Germany into a one-party Nazi state.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/can-it-happen-here-bill-moyers-says-its-happening-right-before-our-very-eyes/

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He has maneuvered the morally hollow founder of Facebook, Mark Zuckerberg, into compromising the integrity of the most powerful media giant in the country by infusing it with partisan bias.

And because truth is the foe he most fears, he has banned it from his administration and his lips.

Yes, Bernie, you are right: the man in the White House has taken all the necessary steps toward achieving the despot’s dream of dominance.

Can it happen here?

It is happening here.

Democracy in America has been a series of narrow escapes. We may be running out of luck, and no one is coming to save us. For that, we have only ourselves.

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Reply Can it happen here? Bill Moyers says it's happening right before our very eyes (Original post)
turbinetree Jun 2020 OP
Arkansas Granny Jun 2020 #1
Upthevibe Jun 2020 #2
Hortensis Jun 2020 #3
musclecar6 Jun 2020 #4
Dennis Donovan Jun 2020 #5
erronis Jun 2020 #7
scarletwoman Jun 2020 #10
LiberalLovinLug Jun 2020 #16
erronis Jun 2020 #17
LiberalLovinLug Jun 2020 #19
Newest Reality Jun 2020 #6
niyad Jun 2020 #8
JackInGreen Jun 2020 #9
BamaRefugee Jun 2020 #11
wnylib Jun 2020 #22
BamaRefugee Jun 2020 #23
wnylib Jun 2020 #24
Blecht Jun 2020 #12
C Moon Jun 2020 #13
erronis Jun 2020 #18
mountain grammy Jun 2020 #14
liberalla Jun 2020 #15
uponit7771 Jun 2020 #20
A HERETIC I AM Jun 2020 #21
Maraya1969 Jun 2020 #25

Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Sat Jun 6, 2020, 12:28 PM

1. K & R. This is a must read.

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Sat Jun 6, 2020, 12:43 PM

2. Kick....n/t

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Sat Jun 6, 2020, 12:50 PM

3. This is not Germany. If democracy fell, they'd have to hold power

against the will of a majority of the people. Not a happy thought. This isn't the 1920s either. Most modern communities could be brought very promptly to their knees merely by blocking the roads and turning off the water. How about power? Most subdivision homes would turn into ovens in the summer, and many would be unsustainable in winter also and have to be abandoned. Possible resistance leaders could be identified and picked up before they even got started.

But at least losing our rights would clear up a lot of the fog of stupidity in people so spoiled by a lifetime of security that they haven't even begun to realize what they have to lose. But also with deeply inculcated notions of individual rights and freedoms Germany's culture had never had a chance to develop.

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Sat Jun 6, 2020, 01:48 PM

4. I agree


Moyers is correct. Hopefully the voters will wake up and vote trump out. Otherwise, get ready for bad shit coming down on all of us, including the imbeciles who vote him in.

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Reply #5)

Sat Jun 6, 2020, 02:01 PM

7. Thank you. I far prefer to have the original article linked than via another aggregator (rawstory)

The good thing about going to the original article is that you also see what the author(s) think is important, versus what some aggregator wants you to see (click-bait.)

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Response to erronis (Reply #7)

Sat Jun 6, 2020, 03:06 PM

10. Also, I think the original publisher of the article should get the clicks. (nt)

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Response to erronis (Reply #7)

Sat Jun 6, 2020, 03:25 PM

16. Yes, its awful to have stories like this spread around more

Have them re-posted on other liberal sites like Raw Story, who were one of the pioneers for liberal media on the net. So that stories like this can be seen by more people, other than those that are frequent visitors to Moyers own personal website.

I mean heaven forbid there was a site that posted news articles and editorials from other places and folks could comment on them...............oh wait

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #16)

Sat Jun 6, 2020, 04:06 PM

17. Understand and agree for the most part. How about publishing both the original and the referral

sites?

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Response to erronis (Reply #17)

Sat Jun 6, 2020, 04:55 PM

19. You are right

They should have posted the link to Moyers own blog.
But if you click on his name in the title lines, you are taken to a separate Bill Moyers page that contains all of his past pieces they posted. But I get where you are coming from. I don't know why they didn't do this for Moyers, as they usually do, if you check their main stories. If its from another newspaper article they hotlink it back to it. And they also have their own reporters. Maybe Moyers has an arrangement with them for having his own page? I'm not sure he set up his own blog to make money from that anyways. Maybe he'd just be glad to have more folks see what he wrote. But yeah, he should still be entitled to linking some traffic back to his own blog.

But besides that small injustice, my point stands for me that its more important to distribute good and important articles like this, especially with the ever shrinking venue for liberal voices as Republican owned media monopolies gobble them up.

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Sat Jun 6, 2020, 02:01 PM

6. K&R

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Sat Jun 6, 2020, 02:43 PM

8. As ever, Bill, spot on.

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Sat Jun 6, 2020, 03:07 PM

11. OK Bill. DO YOU HAVE A PLAN OF ACTION? I'm personally sick and tired of reading 100s of things like

this in the past 4 years, BUT NOT ONE OF THE WRITERS CAN TELL US AN EFFECTIVE WAY TO DEAL WITH IT!

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Response to BamaRefugee (Reply #11)

Sat Jun 6, 2020, 06:51 PM

22. Excellent point and something we

should all be thinking about very seriously. For nearly 4 years, Trump has been moving toward more and more authoritarianism. We have seen it, talked about it, but done nothing.

Moyers is exactly right that it is now happening before our eyes. Trump is consolidating his power, putting a private militia in place at the WH, and ready for an all out open coup. Make no mistake. He will try it. He is not just posturing now. He is preparing for it and has already taken the first step. Whether he succeeds depends on various factors, e.g. military response, leaders who might oppose him and rally people behind them, the ability to maintain communications against orders to disrupt Internet, phone, and media services, and many other factors.

We should think now about what we will do when things get worse, as they will the more Trump realizes that he does not have a chance at the polls.

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Response to wnylib (Reply #22)

Sat Jun 6, 2020, 06:54 PM

23. Nobody has a clue, or there would be action taken already. We're just standing in front of a

steamroller, shouting out witty aphorisms as we're flattened.

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Response to BamaRefugee (Reply #23)

Sat Jun 6, 2020, 09:07 PM

24. That's what it looks like to me, too.

So when I say that we need to think about what we will do, I guess I'm referring to each of us as individuals or small groups in our communities. How will we get through what's coming and help our communities to hold together, too?

To do that requires some perception of what will or might happen in order to prepare for it. But, who knows how it will play out? So we need to imagine what could or might happen and be prepared for it as much as possible in areas of communications, utilities, medicine and health, self-defence fighting, etc.

So, for example, if Trump orders the elections cancelled or invalidated, you know the American people will rebel openly in the streets, and that wiil mean an authoritarian military crack down. Maybe regional losses of utilities. Maybe street fighting back. Maybe a general social breakdown.

Maybe nothing like that. Maybe there will be enough pushback from real military authority that Trump will just flee the country in a private jet.

Perhaps somebody will stand up to Trump in a way that actually makes him back down.

We don't know. So we prepate for the worst and hope for the best.

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Sat Jun 6, 2020, 03:10 PM

13. Maybe this is what Trump and McConnell are trying to do in the senate now with President Obama...

"In 1933, the Reichstag building was set on fire, which Hitler used as a pretext to seize emergency powers and detain his political enemies. With communists and other leftists under arrest, he was able to push a law called the Enabling Act through parliament. The Enabling Act allowed Hitler's cabinet to institute legislation without parliamentary consent. As Hitler strong-armed his way to dictatorship, profiles of him rusticating in his residence in Obersalzberg, Bavaria, portrayed him as a cultured gentleman, beloved by dogs and children."

https://www.livescience.com/54441-how-hitler-rose-to-power.html

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Response to C Moon (Reply #13)

Sat Jun 6, 2020, 04:08 PM

18. Can't see any portrayal of dump as "cultured .. beloved by dogs and children"

My main image of the dump is as a petulant child trying to snarl like a rabid animal.

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Sat Jun 6, 2020, 03:15 PM

14. K&R

I think we’re out of luck.

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Sat Jun 6, 2020, 03:24 PM

15. This is an article I want to read again in a while... bookmarking.

Thank you Bill Moyers.

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Sat Jun 6, 2020, 05:46 PM

20. We're at Hitler factor 6 out of 10 right now with Barr's private military

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Sat Jun 6, 2020, 05:59 PM

21. Noel Casler, who worked with Trump on "The Apprentice" said the new fencing around the White House..

Is Trumpy's way of expanding "The Palace Grounds".

Any bets on how long the new perimeter around the White House stays up?

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Sat Jun 6, 2020, 09:07 PM

25. People were not in the street protesting Hitler and Mussolini. That is the difference.

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