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Thu Jun 4, 2020, 11:03 AM

Come, come, my conservative friend,

and wipe the dew off your spectacles, and see that the world is moving.

This is a great quote by Elizabeth Cady Stanton.

And yes, I know that Stanton said a heartbreakingly racist thing to one of her abolitionst allies.

The statement above is vague because I don't know for certain if it was Stanton or someone else in the suffragist movement, and I don't remember the name of the person to whom she spoke. I just remember hearing about it somewhere. If anyone wants to fact check me, I am open.

I still like the quote.

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Jirel Jun 2020 #1
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Thu Jun 4, 2020, 12:45 PM

1. A word about quotes...

A person who said a great quote doesnít have to be perfect. Not even good. If itís a good quote, itís a good quote. We should not stop quoting Che Guevara, Stanton, Jefferson, etc. because they were people who got it part right, and part very wrong.

Hereís the thing about quotes. We need to not let them be weaponized. The Karens of the world are trying to weaponize MLK quotes by choosing ones out of context and shaking a finger at protestors, and claiming MLKís authority as their own. This is no different than the crazy fake christians who weaponize bible quotes to condemn homosexuality or call Dolt45 the gift from god.

A good idea, well spoken, is just that. It doesnít matter that the speaker was a dumbass in other ways. But when todayís speakers use a quote to wrap themselves in anotherís power and claim some type of moral or intellectual superiority thereby, they should be called on it. Problem solved.

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Response to Jirel (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 4, 2020, 02:26 PM

2. Thank you for making a good point.

I will have to disagree on this specific comment :

"the crazy fake christians who weaponize bible quotes to condemn homosexuality or call Dolt45 the gift from god."

Those people are not necessarily crazy and can't really be labeled "fake". I think that I get your intent about weaponizing the Bible, but many verses in it strongly condemn homosexuality. There is no need for a blatant stretch of Bible text to come to the conclusion that the deity described therein doesn't like it. Of course, other verses strongly condemn idolatry, and after hearing certain sorts of Christians going on about Trump, it doesn't seem like much of a stretch to suggest that they are practicing it.

To be painfully honest, I made the comment about Stanton as a prophylactic against the possibly that someone would find the quote which I could not and use it to dismiss the value of Stanton's voice. It is an approach that I have come to expect from some quarters.

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