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Tue Jun 2, 2020, 08:39 PM

"Dear fundamentalist Christian Trump supporters": Stephen King

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Reply "Dear fundamentalist Christian Trump supporters": Stephen King (Original post)
Different Drummer Jun 2020 OP
roamer65 Jun 2020 #1
Gore1FL Jun 2020 #9
Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2020 #10
Karadeniz Jun 2020 #17
Gore1FL Jun 2020 #18
wnylib Jun 2020 #22
Gore1FL Jun 2020 #23
wnylib Jun 2020 #25
Gore1FL Jun 2020 #26
wnylib Jun 2020 #19
Gore1FL Jun 2020 #24
BrightKnight Jun 2020 #34
wnylib Jun 2020 #36
Gore1FL Jun 2020 #40
BrightKnight Jun 2020 #33
wnylib Jun 2020 #38
MontanaMama Jun 2020 #2
BootinUp Jun 2020 #3
MontanaMama Jun 2020 #4
lindysalsagal Jun 2020 #5
BootinUp Jun 2020 #6
Docreed2003 Jun 2020 #7
Mariana Jun 2020 #8
wnylib Jun 2020 #28
Devilsun Jun 2020 #11
DanieRains Jun 2020 #12
niyad Jun 2020 #13
Grokenstein Jun 2020 #14
crickets Jun 2020 #15
wnylib Jun 2020 #29
certainot Jun 2020 #16
not_the_one Jun 2020 #20
wnylib Jun 2020 #31
Crunchy Frog Jun 2020 #21
Cha Jun 2020 #27
betsuni Jun 2020 #30
greyl Jun 2020 #32
BrightKnight Jun 2020 #35
Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2020 #37
raccoon Jun 2020 #39

Response to Different Drummer (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2020, 08:43 PM

1. U can't be a Christian and support Dump.

You are either one or the other.

Yes, if there is a hell, you people will go to it for supporting a rapist who also imprisons children.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 2, 2020, 09:11 PM

9. The only requirement for being a Christian is believing in Christ.

There isn't a purity test beyond that or no one would be a Christian.

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Response to Gore1FL (Reply #9)

Tue Jun 2, 2020, 09:13 PM

10. It's a shallow qualification for a club. Unfortunately too many of christians are shallow. . . . nt

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Response to Gore1FL (Reply #9)

Tue Jun 2, 2020, 10:30 PM

17. Oops, not quite the case. Jesus mandated that his followers had to implement his teachings

To prove their faith in him. So...a Christian has to try to love friends and enemies alike. Many Christians want to focus on faith alone, but that comports in no way with the knowledge contained in the parables, which I doubt anyone understands. Faith+ works!

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Response to Karadeniz (Reply #17)

Tue Jun 2, 2020, 10:47 PM

18. Therein, proves my point, I thnk.

Lutherans believe in justification by faith alone. Are Lutherans not allowed to call themselves Christians?

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Response to Gore1FL (Reply #18)

Tue Jun 2, 2020, 11:00 PM

22. I grew up in a Lutheran church.

Lutherans do believe in justfication by faith. But that does not exclude them from practicing their faith in how they live, what they do, and what they don't do. For Lutherans, works follow faith. You don't have one without the other. See my above quote from Matthew.

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Response to wnylib (Reply #22)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 12:08 AM

23. Christianity is in the eyes of the person who claims to be one.

It's not a yardstick others get to apply their own values to. That's one of the main weaknesses of religion in general.

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Response to Gore1FL (Reply #23)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 12:49 AM

25. And yet you applied a yardstick in regard to

Lutherans.

There are numerous denominations in Christianity. Each focuses on its own interpretation of the faith. But a few basic tenets apply to Christianity in general, e.g. belief in Jesus and following his teachings.

I don't buy into the notion that there are no definitions.

That applies to any group. There are different views among Democrats. And yet there are a few things basic to being a Democrat that define us. One is an emphasis on equal rights, which is not to say that no other party recognizes human rights. But we do focus on them more. Another focus has traditionally been labor, although we slacked off on that for a while. And even moderate Dems are more progressive than Republicans.

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Response to wnylib (Reply #25)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 12:51 AM

26. at least a self-applied yardstick. Luther espoused it. I didn't.

Regardless, there is no credible authority on what a Christian is or isn't.

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Response to Gore1FL (Reply #9)

Tue Jun 2, 2020, 10:54 PM

19. If you believe in him, then

you must follow his teachings. Not perfectly, of course, since no one is perfect. But to the best of your ability. And admit it when you fall short.

Trump does not even pretend to try living up to the teachings.

"You will know them by their fruits."
Matthew 7:16

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Response to wnylib (Reply #19)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 12:11 AM

24. It's a cafeteria style menu of values

Take as little or as much as you want. You can justify slavery, killing, looting, raping, and general destruction in the name of Jesus. We have had the wars to prove it.

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Response to Gore1FL (Reply #24)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 02:07 AM

34. You cannot justify "slavery, killing, looting, raping," etc. in scripture.

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People do these things but it is not justified in scripture. Jesus very clear about that.

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Response to BrightKnight (Reply #34)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 02:56 AM

36. I would agree with that.

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Response to BrightKnight (Reply #34)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 10:38 AM

40. You said you can't do this and that people do it in the same post.

I submit this further goes to prove my point.

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Response to wnylib (Reply #19)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 02:01 AM

33. Making good fruit and building a reserve of righteousness

Can be done in more than one way. IMO the Catholic approach of being in a state of grace is not that different from the Methodist continuing to perfection. I also think that the Lutheran approach is beautiful. Faith and forgiveness frees you to serve your neighbor.

All of these done well can make good fruit.


The Church fragmented after the reformation but the differences are usually not that great. You would need a degree in theology to fully understand what scripture says and the differences by denomination.

Trying to reduce it to a 1 liner is not going to work.


The prosperity gospel theology that Trump associated with is not really based in scripture.



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Response to BrightKnight (Reply #33)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 03:13 AM

38. I didn't know that Trump associated

himself with any theological approach. He is greedy for wealth, without any religious affiliation that I can see.

I've been exposed to many versions of Christianity through family, friends, and neighbors -- Catholic, Methodist, Amish, Baptist, Quaker, Jehovah's Witness, Lutheran, Presbyterian, Christian Scientist, and prosperity theology (which I found repugnant). Also to Unitarian Universalists, Judaism, and Islam.

I minored in anthropology and took courses in tribal religions of Asia, Africa, and the Americas, as well as a history of Western relgion (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam). But there is still much that I don't know about various theologies.

Religions interest me because of what they reveal about a society's values and perspective on life. They combine philosophy, literature, and psychology, and express them in stories, music, art, and social structure.

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Response to Different Drummer (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2020, 08:45 PM

2. To be fair...

Barack Obama is black.



do I need this?

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Response to MontanaMama (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 2, 2020, 08:50 PM

3. Lol, I don't think so but

Just the opinion of another whitey.

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Response to BootinUp (Reply #3)

Tue Jun 2, 2020, 08:50 PM

4. Gotcha.

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Response to Different Drummer (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2020, 08:51 PM

5. We need everyone calling out the bastard.

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Response to Different Drummer (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2020, 08:52 PM

6. It's important that artists speak out because

They are real good communicators and thinkers.

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Response to Different Drummer (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2020, 09:02 PM

7. K&R

Screw those hypocritical bastards

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Response to Different Drummer (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2020, 09:03 PM

8. They called him the Antichrist anyway. nt.

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Response to Mariana (Reply #8)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 12:58 AM

28. They called him an atheist, a Muslim,

a communist, and a Nazi.

They threw anything at him that they considered negative. In their minds, he embodied all things negative, all at once, even when they were contradictory to each other.

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Response to Different Drummer (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2020, 09:17 PM

11. I love him

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Response to Different Drummer (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2020, 09:23 PM

12. Trump Isn't Satan

He just works for him.

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Response to DanieRains (Reply #12)

Tue Jun 2, 2020, 09:35 PM

13. Beginning to wonder if the prince of darkness isn't working for malevolent MURDERER.

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Response to Different Drummer (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2020, 09:37 PM

14. I saved a link to NanceGreggs' "Pick One." From 2018 but still relevant.

"Are you for the principles we’ve always stood for or are you a Republican? You can’t be both."

Read the whole thing.

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100210966846

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Response to Grokenstein (Reply #14)

Tue Jun 2, 2020, 10:12 PM

15. +1

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Response to Grokenstein (Reply #14)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 01:11 AM

29. Excellent. Thank you.

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Response to Different Drummer (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2020, 10:25 PM

16. it is a mistake for media to keep putting evangelicals in his camp. they are dittoheads first

and pretend to be evangelicals

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Response to Different Drummer (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2020, 10:56 PM

20. People need to remember that these wackos want one thing... the end of the world. Literally.

 

And for them the ends justify the means.

They know exactly that the turd IS a turd. But apparently Jesus Christ is now the lord and saviour of President PussyGrabber, and they are just fine with that.

They want that final orgasm that is the rapture. They think he will help bring that to fruition.

The reality will be that Jesus will deny them thrice before the dawn.

Sad, all their hate and vitriol because of sex, and their desire to make man superior to woman.

The real surprise will be when they die, and nothing. Nada. They blink into nothing.

Meanwhile, WE have to deal with these raving lunatics.

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Response to not_the_one (Reply #20)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 01:16 AM

31. No surprise actually, if there is nothing.

Can't really register in a mind or spirit that isn't there. So they can die with their beliefs intact and unchallenged.

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Response to Different Drummer (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2020, 10:56 PM

21. Just call them the Anti-Christians.

They obviously worship the Anti-Christ.

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Response to Different Drummer (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 12:55 AM

27. So it was Backwards & UPside Down!

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Response to Different Drummer (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 01:15 AM

30. In a tan suit. THE BOOK OF REVELATION COME TO LIFE!

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Response to Different Drummer (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 01:24 AM

32. That's true, but it wasn't upside down. nt

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Response to greyl (Reply #32)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 02:14 AM

35. and they did not care if he read the Bible or not. nt

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Response to Different Drummer (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 03:03 AM

37. Stephen King doesn't seem to be a fan.



From his movie, The Mist:

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Response to Different Drummer (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 04:43 AM

39. As usual he's right on target. Maybe that's an idea for a story, mr king. Nt

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