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Tue Jun 2, 2020, 02:34 AM

I say things can be replaced...

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OP: "You say Lives Cannot!

maybe a thought..?


THINGS CAN BE REPLACED!..

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ON edit:


I've since had time to sleep on it and realized that I had just gotten so fed up, and was trying to do something by pointing the blindingly obvious and it ended up not being helpful. I'm deeply sorry and appreciative of the result, whatever the situation and intentions. I've added some clarification now that I've cooled my heels.

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Since I'm the new poster here, if I were to summarize my political beliefs briefly without getting into affiliations, the words I would choose are fanatic egalitarian extreme empathaticist. Ok, so I made one of them up. So I get that to someone of a more conservative bent, I'm basically a super hippie. I'd accept the appellation proudly.

I've had a bit of a chance to discuss this with a fellow DU'er and would just clarify - I meant to call out demonizing justifiably angry, suffering people and not distinguishing between the few of them and the larger number - the ones who are there to destroy someone else's community, that I do have outrage with. That factor is the large share of what I am getting at, and I am not advocating aggravating things with this behavior. If I lead you to believe I'm not utterly disgusted with the fact people from outside the communities affected are taking advantage and escalating things, I apologize. I'm not please with the rest of it, either.

But I can relate to the others without agreeing with their choices. I can try to feel the pain that would lead to it. And sharing in the playbook of amplifying the outrage at all of it as a distraction without that sense of hearing it is not a tactic I enjoy. As this is going on, tens of millions of Americans are unemployed, over 100,000 Americans are have died, and George Floyd is dead with two of his killers at large, and the people stealing TVs or clothes or widgets aren't making things better but they aren't making it as worse as some. They aren't making it as bad as the president who is trying to use the unrest to distract and seem like a tough guy and get his damn poll numbers raised, which will fail miserably. Focusing on the stealing and burning is also a reaction I understand, however, especially from anyone whose gone through earlier periods like this.


I stand with Joe on this, as posted elsewhere, and the other things:
"I canít breathe. I canít breathe. George Floydís last words, but they didnít die with him. Theyíre still being heard, echoing all across this nation. They speak to a nation where too often just the color of your skin puts your life at risk. They speak to a nation where more than 100,000 people have lost their lives to virus, and 40 million have filed for unemployment, with a disproportionate number of those deaths and job losses concentrated in black and brown communities. And they speak to a nation where every day, millions of people, millions, not at the moment of losing their life, but in the course of living their life are saying to themselves, ďI canít breathe.Ē Weíre not going to allow any president to quiet our voice. We wonít let those who see this as an opportunity to sow chaos, throw up a smokescreen to distract us from the very real, legitimate grievances at the heart of these protests. We canít, we canít leave this moment, canít leave this moment thinking that we can once again turn away and do nothing."
https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/elections/100000007169461/watch-live-biden-visits-philadelphia.html


It's likely we all agree here more than we disagree and have different levels of hunger for change, given varying amounts of time spent living through not enough change. Part of my intensity may be I'm still a mostly young hot-head and haven't had the time to see things not change for as long.

Solutions, not problems. I may be new to posting, but I have put some effort into not overstepping lines, to get caught up in the divisive sort of things that have happened before. I, too, wonder about post counts and what not when someone sounds fishy. If you're on guard against brand new accounts, and quite old accounts, that must be a stressful defensive crouch to deal with when meeting new posters. I'll try to be even more aware of that.

I did have a post count I raced to, I'll own that. It was ten so I could reach out and find support here on a personal issue. So while for a moment it may have felt like it was a mistake to stay engaged after doing so, I know it wasn't.

Let me give you a new poster perspective though, that if others were to allow being appropriately security-minded stray too far into being dismissive or personal, rather than responding to reason with reason, that might feel like crossing a line that feels like the Dark Times *cue spooky music*. I feel bad even invoking them, it's like literary tropes of 'whom shall not be named'.

I'll try not to take it as personal as I did initially which I was ken to, which is the larger share of why I waited to say what I had to say. I'll just say.. I wont waste time with the difference between someone losing their [email protected]% being morally outraged to the point of needing to be heard and find refuge in an overwhelmingly supportive community; and a sleeper account. Especially not with what I've been advised not to take too seriously without knowing more, cause it triggers a sorta smells like a couple dirty socks feeling. Those who make an effort to get to know me I believe will see me for who I am, and those who don't aren't my problem. I understand vigilance is necessary. I practice it also. I've made my point with my OP and until there is something constructive to do don't see any further comment to my attempt at promoting an empathetic mindset in this challenging way. It's always possible people feel it but aren't remembering to clarify they do to when reacting to specific situations.

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not wholly my idea: discussing civil unrest and refusing to discuss the root causes is like trying to put a fire out pointing the fire extinguisher in the sky. You point it at the base of the fire where the fuel is burning, not the flickering distraction at the surface.

edit: additional non-kicking clarifying thoughts.

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mwooldri Jun 2020 #1
Shiv Jun 2020 #2
Shiv Jun 2020 #11
beachbumbob Jun 2020 #3
Meowmee Jun 2020 #4
brooklynite Jun 2020 #5
Tipperary Jun 2020 #7
EllieBC Jun 2020 #14
jmg257 Jun 2020 #6
Shiv Jun 2020 #9
Shiv Jun 2020 #8
Shiv Jun 2020 #10
Shiv Jun 2020 #12
Shiv Jun 2020 #13

Response to Shiv (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2020, 02:46 AM

1. Yup. Starting with that thing in 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

Sadly we have to wait for it to happen.

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Response to mwooldri (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 2, 2020, 03:15 AM

2. oh my goodness...

ty for that chuckle xD

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Response to mwooldri (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 2, 2020, 08:30 AM

11. I would like to see the math on...

how many livelihoods have been lost entirely to the federal mismanagement of Covid-19 response compared to a week of nationwide looting before I hear another person decry people not in influential positions of governmental power and misplace our outrage.

You outted the cause of all this with no problem, and for that I thank you.

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Response to Shiv (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2020, 05:08 AM

3. you do know that almost all insurance policies will NOT cover damage caused by "civil unrest"

 

majority of the businesses as well as other property (things) that have been burned out/damaged will not be replace. Jobs loss for ever in areas that need the jobs the most. Areas of Detroit NEVER recovered from the 1960's race riots, which literally destroyed those communities, the majority being minorities.

Your house gets burn down in a riot? You won't have it covered. Your car gets burned out, no more car. The lasting effect of violence with rioters and looters feeds the racist narrative and has the complete opposite effect on every one.

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Response to beachbumbob (Reply #3)

Tue Jun 2, 2020, 06:29 AM

4. Plus 1000

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Response to Shiv (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2020, 06:42 AM

5. So looting is okay?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #5)

Tue Jun 2, 2020, 07:01 AM

7. Seems so.

 

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Response to Tipperary (Reply #7)

Tue Jun 2, 2020, 09:39 AM

14. Sleeper account

And looks desperate to hit 100.

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Response to Shiv (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2020, 06:59 AM

6. Yep cause everyone can afford to replace all the inventory in their store when its stolen, & rebuild

it when its destroyed.

Easy peasy, right?



Wake up, people's livelihoods are disappearing for ever - for NO good reason.

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Response to jmg257 (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 2, 2020, 08:19 AM

9. If we had a government that was responding to..

either of the disasters happened appropriately, Yes.

Those people could replace their inventory.

there is this little thing called FEMA

And Congressional Legislation to respond after the unrest.

If a detail of a point is wrong, that stops anyone from getting the point?

The powerless should not be condemned and scapegoated while the powerful criminal murderers are free.

They're actions should be lamented, investigated, prevented where possible, but damn.

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Response to Shiv (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2020, 08:16 AM

8. Wow people

Whether I find looting abhorrent, understandable, or a good idea should be irrelevant.

But when people are dying from governmental mismanagement and deliberate hatred of the likes of Derek Chauven, and Trump is Trump, no one can find it in them to say the words Lives Cannot?


That doesn't sound the the DU i grew up with.

Condemning the worse ill one does not excuse the other, it just shows perspective.

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Response to Shiv (Reply #8)

Tue Jun 2, 2020, 08:27 AM

10. this isn't meant an insult

its a appeal to better angels. someone has to step up and do that right now.

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Response to Shiv (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2020, 09:30 AM

12. As long as you still draw breathe, you've survived..

and can dust yourself off however bad things got financially, however bad the hardships, and put one foot in front of another day by day to a job shows up, till a hand to help shows up, till you have your next great idea of how to provide a service or good your neighbors need.

As long as you breathe, you have tomorrow.

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Response to Shiv (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2020, 09:31 AM

13. I say things can be replaced!

You Say Lives Cannot!

I say things can be replaced!!

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