The US has killed more Muslims over the past 30 years than all terrorist attacks COMBINED

[Hugabear]

If you take every death caused by a terrorist attack (including 9/11) over the past 30 years - and then add in everyone killed by mob violence in Islamic countries - it would absolutely pale in comparison to the number of Muslims that have been killed by the American military in the same time period.

In just the Iraq war alone, the US managed to kill nearly a million Iraqis - a large percentage of whom were civilians who had nothing to do with the conflict. Add to that the number of Muslims killed in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, etc in the so-called "War on Terror".

Anyone puzzled why there might be so much hatred towards the US around the Islamic world?

[cali]

1. Actually, The U.S. has killed more Muslims in the past 10 years than all terrorist

attacks combined and it's not only the killing, of course; domination, humiliation, overthrowing elected leaders, propping up strong men...

[2on2u]

30. "Strong men"..... made me remember this....

[blkmusclmachine]

2. .

[joeybee12]

3. Probably over only the last year...

People don't understand that this is not about a movie...it's about years of murder and installing dictators who answer to us and phuck over their own people.

[cthulu2016]

4. A lot of deaths in Iraq were terrorist attacks

Since we destabilized the country and allowed a vicious civil war to develop and let foreign terrorists come in to run riot over the place I consider those deaths as premature mortality caused by our invasion.

But in terms of who was killing who, tactically, there were a hell of a lot of Iraqis blown up by competing religious groups, by Bathist hold-overs and by AQ in Iraq.

Meaning that a decent sized slice of the overall death toll in Iraq counts in both columns—Arab terrorism against Arabs ultimately made possible by our actions.

[theenemyiswithin]

9. America is just one of the terrorist groups killing people in Iraq

America's Attack on Iraq was/is no different than Germany attacking Poland back in the day.

Rational for both attacks were not much different.

[Hugabear]

23. I think our bombs and missiles killed a lot of people as well

Nt

[coalition_unwilling]

5. You're failing to acknowledge imperial math, whereby the life of one American

is worth more than the lives of 1,000 'dark-skinned people.' You see, God (an Anglo-Saxon) has decided that American lives (white middle class, that is) are just so much more precious than any other lives.

(in case it's needed)

See Vietnam, where 56,000 American soldiers died but 2-3 million southeast Asians perished.

See also World War II, where 250,000 American soldiers died but 20 million Soviets perished fighting Hitler along a 2,000-mile front.

[DonCoquixote]

31. Stalin brought that on himself

as he executed KGB agents who told him NOT TO TRUST HITLER. He also had a policy of treating anyone captured by the Nazis as a traitor, which made for a lot of dead innocents.

[coalition_unwilling]

33. I'm not going to get into a tit-for-tat with you about Stalin's culpability or lack thereof, simply

to note that Americans who tout our sacrifice in human lives during World War II offer yet one more illustration of the principle of 'imperial math' alluded to by the OP, whereby the life of one American is worth on average roughly 100 lives of any other non-Western country you'd care to mention.

Of course, I don't believe that - a life is a life is a life, no matter the specific square of geography upon which it happened to be born and raised.

[xchrom]

6. Du rec. Nt

[theenemyiswithin]

7. America Excels at Killing People of Color

America is at it core a racist violent nation.

This my friends is American exceptionalism.

Don't give me this crap well we elected a black president. BFD, the blck guy is still killing people of color in other countries for no sane reason.

USA! USA! USA!

[cali]

8. America is, at its core, many things

and often they're paradoxical.

welcome to du, where simplistic thought battles more nuanced thinking on a daily basis.

Simplistic thinking is much easier to digest and more comforting, I realize, but it doesn't really stand up well.

[M_M]

10. good point

But simplistic thinking goes better with beer.

[cali]

11. lol. it certainly does

welcome!

[tclambert]

12. We're Number 1! We're Number . . .

Oh, Number 1 murderer isn't so good. We way surpassed Luis Alfredo Garavito, La Bestia, the current record-holder among serial killers.

So . . . anybody else remember when America used to excel at GOOD things? You know, like going to the Moon, building the tallest buildings, longest bridges, biggest dams, inventing airplanes, telephones, computers, that sort of thing. Damn.

[malaise]

13. And that's the truth

What's shocking to me is that people are so surprised that 'those people' react.
In their minds most governments in the West are terrorists.

[Waiting For Everyman]

14. How many were starved or killed by their own people?

That's a big number too. That isn't to excuse any killings by the US, but it's getting meaningless to bring that up in every context imaginable. What about the issue at hand, how about focusing on that without bringing in every possible wrong ever done by anyone?

[Zax2me]

15. Aw, poor terrorists can't keep up?

Sounds like you are a poor loser.

[Honeycombe8]

16. It's not the body count that counts. It's the reason.

And HOW they die.

If two guys attack you and your friend, and you kill them both while defending yourself, you have killed twice as many of them than they have of you and your friend. But your killing them is justified. The body count doesn't matter.

Iraq was a war of choice and in most people's opinion, not justified, So you're right on that point.

But this was all started by actions of jihadists, and there is NO justification for the killing of innocent people who have not done you any harm, to bolster some cause. Whether the terrorist is islam, secular, Mormon, Christian, whatever.

The U.S. did NOT commit terrorism against muslims. And did not cut the heads off innocent people while they were alive.

[cali]

18. Are you serious? Drone strikes terrorize a civilian population

Shock and Awe terrorized a nation that hadn't attacked us.

What a load of rah rah dog shit.

[Scootaloo]

19. You're serious, aren't you?

I guess all one hundred and fifty thousand of those Iraqis had it coming, as did the four million we displaced. Or the fifteen thosuand (and growing!) Afghans we've killed?

They brought this on themselves, you say.

This is what DU is going to look like this weekend, I guess.

[Agony]

22. "(the US) did not cut the heads off innocent people while they were alive."

No. We BLEW their civilian heads off with surgical strikes while they were alive! Ever so much more righteous, eh?

we. are. exceptional. I got it dude.

[Moonwalk]

17. True. But two wrongs don't make a right.

[oberliner]

20. How many Muslims have been killed by other Muslim countries?

How does that figure compare with the number killed by the US?

[WooWooWoo]

21. and 10x as many muslims died in the Iran-Iraq war

civilians always die in war. It is why smart leaders don't rush into them.

BTW, a million Iraqis haven't died because of the war, the number is closer to 100,000 - 150,000.

[HiPointDem]

25. baloney.

[Dokkie]

27. A war that was supported and

started by the US puppet leader Saddam Hussein. 100k died in just the 6 month NATO bombing in Libya. I would guess that the number would be much larger for Iraq.

[HiPointDem]

24. kr. and possibly as many americans too.

http://icasualties.org/

[progressivebydesign]

26. Ummm... The majority of Iraqis were not Muslim. n/t

[pscot]

28. Not true, actually

Ninety-five % of Iraquis are Muslim.

[etherealtruth]

32. What ...?

ALL Iraqi's are not Muslim is true ... but, 90-95% are ... pretty much a "super majority"

[Lint Head]

29. I'm sure the CEOs of the terrorist organizations will want to see an increase.

They can't let the competition get ahead. Sarcasm aside. We have been an occupier for years. The US needs to realize that colonialism is an antiquated concept and a revolutionary war was fought to end it on US soil.

[Enrique]

34. this is plausible

It might not even be a close call. But an assertion like this needs numbers, however, imho.

Also, a good point about Iraq, a good number of the deaths were from those terrorist attacks that were happening every day, people dying by the dozens in those bombings.