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Fri May 22, 2020, 04:20 PM

Joe apologized for his Breakfast Club faux pas. Good on him .






Real men apologize for their mistakes

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Reply Joe apologized for his Breakfast Club faux pas. Good on him . (Original post)
DemocratSinceBirth May 22 OP
mcar May 22 #1
wryter2000 May 22 #2
Celerity May 22 #24
wryter2000 May 22 #31
Celerity May 22 #32
wryter2000 May 22 #33
JI7 May 23 #42
KWR65 May 22 #3
NoMoreRepugs May 22 #4
Blue_true May 22 #7
Drunken Irishman May 22 #16
R02091201 May 23 #49
radius777 May 22 #20
Blue_true May 22 #21
radius777 May 22 #26
Blue_true May 22 #28
wryter2000 May 23 #52
violasays May 22 #5
GreenPartyVoter May 22 #6
Blue_true May 22 #9
padah513 May 22 #8
niyad May 22 #22
tman May 22 #10
SMC22307 May 23 #55
Ninga May 22 #11
Ninga May 22 #13
calimary May 22 #29
Ninga May 22 #34
global1 May 22 #12
oasis May 22 #14
dameatball May 22 #15
WinstonSmith4740 May 22 #17
samsingh May 22 #18
UTUSN May 22 #19
Takket May 22 #23
BlueIdaho May 22 #25
violasays May 22 #38
BlueIdaho May 23 #50
George II May 22 #27
Skittles May 22 #30
herding cats May 22 #36
Skittles May 22 #37
herding cats May 23 #43
Tipperary May 23 #41
SMC22307 May 22 #35
uponit7771 May 22 #40
SMC22307 May 23 #53
herding cats May 23 #44
Skittles May 23 #45
herding cats May 23 #46
Skittles May 23 #47
herding cats May 23 #48
R02091201 May 23 #51
sammythecat May 23 #56
SMC22307 May 23 #54
uponit7771 May 22 #39

Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri May 22, 2020, 04:21 PM

1. Good on him

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri May 22, 2020, 04:23 PM

2. He has to stop going off on people who ask him questions

The Trumper he did it to deserved it, but it was still a bad look.

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Response to wryter2000 (Reply #2)

Fri May 22, 2020, 06:49 PM

24. What Trumper? Charlamagne Tha God is not a Trumper. Ludicrous suggestion.

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Response to Celerity (Reply #24)

Fri May 22, 2020, 09:58 PM

31. I did not mean Charlemagne

It was several months ago with a white Trumper I was referring to.

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Response to wryter2000 (Reply #31)

Fri May 22, 2020, 10:00 PM

32. aahh, oki, sorry

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Response to Celerity (Reply #32)

Fri May 22, 2020, 10:06 PM

33. No problem

I wasn't clear.

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Response to wryter2000 (Reply #2)

Sat May 23, 2020, 12:28 AM

42. I disagree about the Gun Nut . I thought that helped him

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri May 22, 2020, 04:26 PM

3. Censored

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri May 22, 2020, 04:38 PM

4. Joe - WWOD - what would Obama do? He has to start thinking like that and not get baited so easy.

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Response to NoMoreRepugs (Reply #4)

Fri May 22, 2020, 05:04 PM

7. I agree. One of Joe's problems has been to put his foot into his mouth.

If you noticed President Obama when he was asked a question, there was ALWAYS a pause from him before answering. Joe should take on the same practice, he has beautifully overcome stuttering, the practice of contemplating an answer should be a chip shot for him.

I don't know about the guy that asked him the question, instead of a MAGAT, I thought the guy was a pretty hardcore Bernie Bro.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #7)

Fri May 22, 2020, 06:07 PM

16. Let's not rewrite history. There were plenty of Obama remarks that were blown out of proportion...

Where he was less articulate than he should have been. I remember the GOP effectively running in 2012 on his 'You Didn't Build That' remark, which was a gaffe - or his backhanded remark to Hillary being likable enough, which kind of re-energized her campaign in NH.

Yes. Obama was more disciplined, and Biden certainly has had more gaffes to his name. But in some ways, those gaffes are what endear people to Biden. The fact he isn't polished is a selling point for many.

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #16)

Sat May 23, 2020, 01:10 AM

49. Yup, remember "They cling to their guns." and how a Boston cop "Stupidly" arrested the Harvard Prof.

 

We all love Obama, and I certainly do. Obama is AWESOME, and I miss him SO much. But EVERYONE says some things that could have been said better. As I remember, Obama had to explain, clarify, and essentially apologize for those remarks. In an effort to make fun of himself, he also once compared himself to people in the "Special Olympics." He had to apologize for that one.
Candidates need to think and be measured and calibrated in what they say. But at the same time, EVERYONE says something the wrong way sometimes.

We MUST not expect ANY human being nor any politician to be perfect in every syllable they uttter. I want Biden to also be authentic and HUMAN, not some impossibly perfect robot.

I listened to every bit of the interview. It was a good interview, sometimes a bit animated and energetic, but it was a radio show.
At one point Biden almost said "Kick his ASS" and he stopped himself, and the host said that was ok and he WANTED him to say that.

What Biden said at the end of the interview was clearly intended as an animated, jestful, "wiseguy" type remark in a RADIO interview, but also with a real point. His meaning was clear, and, if you watch it, the host (Charlamagne tha God) did not even blink an eye. This has to be taken in context, and he knew just what Biden meant: ---- If you compare me and Trump and look at our records, in a heartbeat you know that I am the better candidate for you and your community. --- And right afterward he said he would return to the show and also talked about some key points of his record and being supported for so long by the African American community. He said, "Just look at my record." I agree Biden did not say it just right. In fact, how I just said it is what he should have said. But his meaning was clear, and he was trying to be jestful and animated on a radio program. Context context context.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #7)

Fri May 22, 2020, 06:23 PM

20. Exactly, why he needs a WoC as running mate,

to help insulate him from his gaffes and tone-deafness about women and PoC, which come on a regular basis.

As a man of color I actually agree with what Joe was trying to say - but it can't come from a white man, but from a person of color.

Any PoC who votes for Trump is a self-hating Uncle Tom - most PoC feel this (including many conservative PoC, who may vote for a 'regular' Repub but not the outwardly white nationalist Trump).

Joe needs to get better at this or he's going to have issues with younger PoC.

He also needs Kamala on the ticket - who is spunky and will shield him from his gaffes.

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Response to radius777 (Reply #20)

Fri May 22, 2020, 06:42 PM

21. I am Black.

I don't think that Biden is tone deaf to POC. I actually see him as being very comfortable with Black people, in particular, that may have been at the base of his gaffe. As a Black person, I often wonder why in hell a Black person would ever think that voting for Trump is a smart idea. I just can't bring myself to viewing a person that is comfortable with white supremacy and white supremacists as a potential ally, hence my aversion to Trump.

I agree that Harris would be an excellent choice, but I also feel that Demmings, Duckworth, Cortez-Mastro would be excellent choices.

I believe any young Black person that doesn't strongly support Biden over Trump is making an enormous mistake. I believe that President Obama will be large in having people develop comfort with Biden's VP choice and in driving support for Biden among African Americans and Latinos.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #21)

Fri May 22, 2020, 07:22 PM

26. Agree. It's more like 'momentary lapses' where he seems

out of touch, which is not helpful in suring up his weaknesses with younger voters, progressives and others.

During the primary he had several such moments, which he obviously recovered from, but a general election is a different ballgame and Trump/GOP/Russians will work overtime to weaponize such gaffes to divide the base.

The Obamas will play a crucial role, I agree.

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Response to radius777 (Reply #26)

Fri May 22, 2020, 07:27 PM

28. Sound points all around. The game has changed. Biden has never been at this level before,

he needs to contemplate and up his game afterwards.

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Response to NoMoreRepugs (Reply #4)

Sat May 23, 2020, 09:35 AM

52. Exactly

That’s what I meant in my poorly worded post above.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri May 22, 2020, 04:49 PM

5. Excellent move

I'm confused by DUers who think this was a bad move. On a day where Tara Reade has been fully discredited and the biggest gotcha that Trump was trying to spring has been neutralized, the last thing he needed to do was overshadow the news that he had been targeted by a grifter and liar who had been exposed. I read his apology and thought he handled it well. Hopefully the news cycle will be short on this one.

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Response to violasays (Reply #5)

Fri May 22, 2020, 04:57 PM

6. I think the issue was that he had said what he did it in the first place.

No need to apologize if you avoid stuff like this in the first place.

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Response to GreenPartyVoter (Reply #6)

Fri May 22, 2020, 05:06 PM

9. I agree, being flippant and being Joe Biden don't go hand in hand. nt

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Response to violasays (Reply #5)

Fri May 22, 2020, 05:06 PM

8. It's Memorial Day weekend so it should be a short cycle

Besides, Trump will do or say something stupid and obliterate it soon enough. Give him an hour or two.

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Response to violasays (Reply #5)

Fri May 22, 2020, 06:44 PM

22. Welcome to DU

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri May 22, 2020, 05:09 PM

10. The maga crowd will use it to try and divide the Black vote.

Biden should be more careful and less defensive.

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Response to tman (Reply #10)

Sat May 23, 2020, 11:33 AM

55. Exactly. Does DU not pay attention to Candace Owens, black MAGAts, Don Jr...

all of them pushing -- relentlessly -- this "plantation" bullshit? I guarantee they're all jumping for joy at Biden's remarks, which will come roaring back closer to November.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri May 22, 2020, 05:13 PM

11. Out of context in a 17 minute interview. Just mind boggling how quick the internets judge. Nt

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Response to Ninga (Reply #13)

Fri May 22, 2020, 07:29 PM

29. Yep.

Frankly, anybody making a super big deal out of this, even if they're purportedly on our side of the aisle - needs to stop and think: Are you REALLY serious about attacking the only way we have - to get rid of trump? You REALLY want to do that? Seriously?

THINK ABOUT IT before you start trying to pick Biden apart. THINK HARD.

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Response to calimary (Reply #29)

Fri May 22, 2020, 10:14 PM

34. I yup your yup.


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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri May 22, 2020, 05:14 PM

12. And Trump Never Apologizes For Anything He Says Or Does.....

and he offends most everybody.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri May 22, 2020, 05:18 PM

14. "Judge us for what "we"do in our first term". Joe should throw

the focus on the team he's going to build in his future interviews.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri May 22, 2020, 05:20 PM

15. It wasn't a smart move but it will pass. The difference is that missteps last longer with Joe

because he doesn't do something much worse the next day....like some else we all know. It would be the same with any other Democratic presidential candidate in the current media world we inhabit.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri May 22, 2020, 06:07 PM

17. I fully understand where Joe was coming from.

He's got a damn good record on this, and I really think he was being baited by the "what have you done for me lately" bullshit. I teach in a Title 1, city high school, with a VERY diverse student body, and I happen to be white. I have a great relationship with a vast majority of my students because they know they can count on me to have their back when they're right, and point them in the right direction when they're not. I hold their hands and let them rant about how hard it is to be a teen today, how their boyfriend/girlfriend is cheating on them, and that other stupid, crazy teacher they have that's driving them nuts. But once in a while, an "attitude queen" will accuse me of racism...usually because I also don't put up their bullshit in class. And you better believe that pisses me off, just like this back door charge of racism pissed off Joe. Because that's what the insinuation was...that Biden hasn't done enough for the Black community. And I agree with him...if you can't decide between Trump and Biden, sorry, but I'm old enough for the term "Uncle Tom" to come to mind.

But apologizing for it was probably a good move, if only to keep Trump's team of mouth breathers at bay.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri May 22, 2020, 06:11 PM

18. Good enough for me. Everyone says dumb things from time to time

it's important to admit to them and apologize.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri May 22, 2020, 06:18 PM

19. Not a mistake: My eternal question, how can *any* minority ever support or be a Repuke?!

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri May 22, 2020, 06:46 PM

23. this tweet says it all........

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri May 22, 2020, 07:10 PM

25. Please help me out

Is Charlemagne tha God a big voice in the black community? Thanks if you can help.

Obviously VP Biden did the right thing apologizing - his statement was pretty stupid.

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Response to BlueIdaho (Reply #25)

Fri May 22, 2020, 10:31 PM

38. A big voice? Well ...

CtG is very well known, as is The Breakfast Club, the radio show of which he has been a host for years. Most black people under 40 know who CtG is, are aware of his style of ambush-interviewing and know his schtick. I wouldn’t say that he is a big voice, though going on TBC or being interviewed by CtG probably is analogous for younger black people to hopefuls having lunch at Sylvia’s with Rev. Al for some older black voters. We take note of who is invited and who says yes ... and no.

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Response to violasays (Reply #38)

Sat May 23, 2020, 01:21 AM

50. Thank You!

I appreciate your taking the time.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri May 22, 2020, 07:23 PM

27. That's one of the things I like about him - he's able to admit when he makes a mistake....

A rare quality in a politician.

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Response to George II (Reply #27)

Fri May 22, 2020, 07:38 PM

30. this is what I DON'T like about him

saying silly things that prompt apologies, ugh

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Response to Skittles (Reply #30)

Fri May 22, 2020, 10:20 PM

36. What he said is actually a thing on the show.

It's a comical refrain often used. But, out of context and as a sound bite it was exploited.

We should be smarter than this.

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Response to herding cats (Reply #36)

Fri May 22, 2020, 10:22 PM

37. HE should be smarter than this

yes

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Response to Skittles (Reply #37)

Sat May 23, 2020, 12:44 AM

43. Than what, specifically?

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Response to Skittles (Reply #30)

Sat May 23, 2020, 12:06 AM

41. Agree.

Smh.

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Response to George II (Reply #27)

Fri May 22, 2020, 10:20 PM

35. Republicans are salivating at what Biden said...

plays right into their bullshit about Democrats wanting to keep blacks on the plantation, so vote for us instead. Biden REALLY needs to watch his mouth... too many dumb remarks and apologies and it's not even bleepin' June.

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #35)

Fri May 22, 2020, 11:15 PM

40. +1, just got through posting Biden apologized Trump didn't and the person went nuts on a thread

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #40)

Sat May 23, 2020, 11:22 AM

53. That's another thing... how many times has Biden already apologized during this cycle?

Fat Nixon NEVER apologizes and his supporters view it as strength. I just wish we could find a happy medium between Biden always aplogizing and Trump never apologizing. He really needs to stop saying stupid shit!

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #35)

Sat May 23, 2020, 12:45 AM

44. Who the fuck cares about Republicans?

Seriously. They're not voting for Biden. They're not our concern.

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Response to herding cats (Reply #44)

Sat May 23, 2020, 12:46 AM

45. we care about having a candidate who knows not to say stupid shit

is that better?

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Response to Skittles (Reply #45)

Sat May 23, 2020, 12:51 AM

46. Did you not hear anything I said?

It's a saying on the show. The only thing Joe got wrong was "aren't" vs. "ain't."

Damn. Be angry. Do you. Be blind.

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Response to herding cats (Reply #46)

Sat May 23, 2020, 12:52 AM

47. doesn't matter

he should know that stuff like that just is NOT advisable

DONE HERE

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Response to Skittles (Reply #47)

Sat May 23, 2020, 12:54 AM

48. Night.

Have a peaceful nights sleep. Kindness to you. We're friends (Seriously) here and you're being extremely rude and deeply over reacting.

Peace to you.

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Response to Skittles (Reply #45)

Sat May 23, 2020, 01:40 AM

51. Every single person and politician says something imperfect. We all love Obama, but even he did.

 

Nobody is a bigger Obama fan than me. But even he said some things the wrong way and walked them back, apologized, etc. (See my other post above for examples.) Listen to the whole interview and it was a good interview. And while it wasn't said just the right way, Biden's meaning was clear. I watched the entire interview. The host (Charlamagne tha God) did not blink an eye because he knew just what Biden meant, and he has since defended Biden. And Biden has been good enough to say he should have worded it better and does not and never has taken the African American vote for granted.

And then of course we have Trump, that disgusting Orange THING currently polluting the White House. That impeached, corrupt, racist, pathological liar, and fraud. That king of the birther movement currently attacking Obama, talking about "Obamagate", won't even have an event unveiling Obama's White House portrait, trying to undo every single thing Obama did including his healthcare program, who called white racists in Charlottesville "good people," who just AGAIN called Elizabeth Warren "Pochahontas" in one of his racist and crazy tweets, and on and on and on.

Joe is a perfect SAINT compared that digusting Orange Menace, and a very strong lifelong advocate for the African American community.

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Response to Skittles (Reply #45)

Sat May 23, 2020, 11:59 AM

56. +1000

We're in a life or death struggle with a relentless, vicious, and completely amoral enemy. We can't afford to make mistakes that supply them with ammunition.

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Response to herding cats (Reply #44)

Sat May 23, 2020, 11:30 AM

54. Last night every major media outlet carried his "you ain't black" comment.

EVERY FUCKING ONE. It was an unforced error on Biden's part and he needs to watch his mouth. He's alreadly apologized too many times for saying stupid shit. I read recently that Biden's support with AAs was 81 percent; that leaves 19 percent to... vote for Trump? note vote? vote third party? The November election is WAR with Republicans so you - and every Democrat - better start fucking care about them lest we get four more years of Trump. Then in 2024, Pompeo or one of the grifter Trump kids.

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Response to George II (Reply #27)

Fri May 22, 2020, 11:14 PM

39. +1

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