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Fri May 15, 2020, 08:48 PM

Virgin Coconut Oil applied through the nostrils by a swab/fingertip as a COVID prophylactic?

It can’t hurt, unlike Lysol.

https://ateneo.edu/ls/sose/sose/news/research/potential-coconut-oil-and-its-derivatives-effective-and-safe-antiviral

Coconut oil and its derivatives have been shown to be safe and effective antiviral compounds in both humans and animals. Because of the antiviral and antibacterial protection that it provides to animals, coconut oil, as well as lauric acid and monolaurin, is used in farm animals and pets as veterinary feed supplements in chicken, swine and dogs (Baltic et al., 2017). Monolaurin has been shown to effectively protect chicken against avian influenza virus (van der Sluis, 2015). Li and co- workers (2009) prepared a gel containing monolaurin and found it to be highly active against repeated high viral loads of Simean immunodeficiency virus in macaques and Kirtane and co- workers (2017) developed a 35% gel of monolaurin for application in the female genital tract to protect against HIV. Sodium lauryl sulfate (SLS) has been used at low concentrations to inactivate viruses in milk of farm animals (de Sousa et al., 2019). SLS is the active constituent in commercial disinfecting wipes and standard laboratory disinfectants, and is an emulsifying agent and penetration enhancer in pharmaceutical preparations.

Coconut oil itself has been shown to have anti-HIV properties in small clinical studies. The first clinical trial using coconut oil (45 mL daily) and monolaurin (95% purity, 800 mg daily) against HIV-AIDS was conducted in the Philippines. This study involved 15 HIV patients, aged 22 to 38 years, 5 males and 10 females, for 6 months. There was only one fatality and 11 of the patients showed higher CD4 and CD8 counts after 6 months (Dayrit, 2000).

In another study, 40 HIV subjects with CD4+ T lymphocyte counts less than 200 cells/microliter were divided into a virgin coconut oil (VCO) group (45 mL daily) and control group (no VCO). After 6 weeks, the VCO group showed significantly higher average CD4+ T lymphocyte counts versus control (Widhiarta, 2016).

Conclusion
Several in vitro, animal, and human studies support the potential of coconut oil, lauric acid and its derivatives as effective and safe agents against a virus like nCoV-2019. Mechanistic studies on other viruses show that at least three mechanisms may be operating.

Given the considerable scientific evidence for the antiviral activity of coconut oil, lauric acid and its derivatives and their general safety, and the absence of a cure for nCoV-2019, we urge that clinical studies be conducted among patients who have been infected with nCoV-2019 (see below). This treatment is affordable and virtually risk-free, and the potential benefits are enormous.

On the other hand, given the safety and broad availability of virgin coconut oil (VCO), we recommend that VCO be considered as a general prophylactic against viral and microbial infection.

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Reply Virgin Coconut Oil applied through the nostrils by a swab/fingertip as a COVID prophylactic? (Original post)
Marcuse May 15 OP
Baclava May 15 #1
DBoon May 15 #2
whistler162 May 15 #3
Thekaspervote May 15 #4
bedazzled May 15 #7
ProfessorGAC May 16 #19
EndlessWire May 16 #24
ProfessorGAC May 16 #37
littlemissmartypants May 15 #5
Thekaspervote May 15 #10
littlemissmartypants May 15 #11
bedazzled May 15 #6
msongs May 15 #8
malaise May 15 #9
The Velveteen Ocelot May 15 #12
EndlessWire May 16 #25
The Velveteen Ocelot May 16 #27
KY_EnviroGuy May 16 #30
EndlessWire May 16 #34
The Velveteen Ocelot May 16 #35
EndlessWire May 16 #38
marble falls May 15 #13
marble falls May 15 #14
tavernier May 15 #15
barbtries May 15 #16
MurrayDelph May 16 #17
Hekate May 16 #18
essme May 16 #20
Maxheader May 16 #21
NCjack May 16 #22
EndlessWire May 16 #28
rusty fender May 16 #31
womanofthehills May 16 #23
not_the_one May 16 #26
rusty fender May 16 #29
yardwork May 16 #32
MineralMan May 16 #33
Marcuse May 16 #36

Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Fri May 15, 2020, 08:51 PM

1. NO! and I'm not trying the Lysol enemas either, I've heard enough snake oil stories, thank U

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Fri May 15, 2020, 08:58 PM

2. Have they investigated using swabs of late harvest riesling?

Inquiring minds want to know

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Fri May 15, 2020, 09:00 PM

3. With Lime I hope

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Fri May 15, 2020, 09:01 PM

4. Thx for posting monolaurin is known for its antiviral qualities among other health benefits

Of course there are going to be naysayers to anything that is natural. Let them

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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #4)

Fri May 15, 2020, 09:10 PM

7. Let the nay sayers get sick

I had terrific sinus problems before i used it.

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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #4)

Sat May 16, 2020, 06:48 AM

19. One Major Problem

While you are correct...
There's very little monolaurin in coconut oil.
Refined vegetable oils are only around 0.1% monogoyceride.
Chain length distribution of coco shows only around 20% of the chains are lauryl.
So the monolaurin in the oil are only a couple hundred ppm.
Monoglycerides are synthesized by taking the whole oil, splitting into fatty acids or esters, cleaning the split glycerine and catalytically reacting the C12 acid (or ester) with glycerine to make the monolaurin.
Seems like it would be a better plan to swab the synthesized monolaurin, so all of it has antiviral properties, not 0.02% of it.

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #19)

Sat May 16, 2020, 11:39 AM

24. I remember

a study was publicized regarding homeopathic remedies. I saved the article for a long while, but now this is nothing but anecdotal. Still, it is interesting.

It seems someone had done experiments and had discovered that only one or two molecules of a substance was enough to invoke the properties of the substance throughout a whole solution. It was extremely puzzling to those scientists who wished to discredit homeopathy. They admitted that the experiments proved true, yet nobody had any idea why.

So, of course I agree that more is probably better, but it sticks in my head that we could do well with an expanded definition of what is possible or not. It seemed to defy chemistry.

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Response to EndlessWire (Reply #24)

Sat May 16, 2020, 02:55 PM

37. I Have Mass Transfer Concerns

Think about this:
2 or 3 molecules of monolaurin (molecular length around 400 nm) have to come in direct contact with a virus which is several microns in diameter.
Even if it's one molecule to one virus, the issue is the low probability of on reactant to find the other.
It's why chemical reactions slow down as they get closer to completion. The continued rate of conversion is mass transfer limited.
And, reactions have active mixing to increase the odds. Can't do that in our nasal passages.
So, while your recollection may be correct, I'm guessing that work was done in vitro with a very small laurin content in the medium. They could back calculate that result pretty easily. But, if that monolaurin was evenly dispersed in the medium, the mass transfer limitations would be preponderantly eliminated.
If the coating were all monolaurin, the mass transfer limitations are eliminated.

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Fri May 15, 2020, 09:05 PM

5. Yuck! NO!! Definitely NOT!

Get ready for more snake oil salesmen as President Bodybags has cleared the way for the idiot parade.

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Response to littlemissmartypants (Reply #5)

Fri May 15, 2020, 09:16 PM

10. Natural remedies are not snake oil, nor is the poster saying it's some kind of magical cure

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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #10)

Fri May 15, 2020, 09:38 PM

11. I didn't say anything close to that. But think of it what you will.

To each their own. I am inclined to believe that coconut oil is the natural cure de jour, however. I have a girlfriend that slathers it on everything even after it's past its use by date and the smell of the rancid oil turns my stomach. YMMV.

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Fri May 15, 2020, 09:09 PM

6. I use it regularly and it is terrific

Keeps the nostrils moist and undamaged. Really helps with sinus problems. I use it before and after i go out. I think the eyes are susceptible also. I.use artificial tears before and after i go out. These things can only help

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Fri May 15, 2020, 09:14 PM

8. oddly enuff the Phillipines are one of the biggest exporters of coconut oil/milk and $$

will come to them if they promote this

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Fri May 15, 2020, 09:15 PM

9. Well we cook with coconut oil when we use oil

and I also rub my hands with a non-kitchen version of virgin coconut oil mixed with olive oil given all the alcohol based wiping these days. Since I haven't had a manicure/pedicure for about seven weeks I also rub my nails with said mixture. So maybe some is seeping in

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Fri May 15, 2020, 10:00 PM

12. Please don't promote unproven and untested treatments for covid-19.

People sometimes rely on this sort of nonsense.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #12)

Sat May 16, 2020, 11:55 AM

25. There is no current treatment.

Now, I agree that unproven treatments are not generally good. Such as the Lysol injection that Trump promoted.

But, millions (I'm guessing) of people have successfully ingested coconut oil. I think that a lot of cures for stuff originate in the natural world, and since everything is cloak and dagger nowadays, we have to help each other.

No one has said, don't take a vaccine, or don't take a medically proven cure. There is currently no treatment except supportive care which, if you end up on a vent, has mostly dismal outcomes. People need hope. Quite frankly, I feel that cloth masks are not much use, just to help you from sneezing on someone else, but not really to trap viruses. But we are gonna do it because, you know, it can't actually hurt anything.

I think a good discussion of possible agents of cure or prevention should be allowed here. After all, we laughed ourselves silly at the thought of injecting lysol as a cure; that was allowed. We could discuss the use of chicken soup as a healthy habit. What is wrong with discussing the use of coconut oil?

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Response to EndlessWire (Reply #25)

Sat May 16, 2020, 12:01 PM

27. Are there any peer-reviewed studies suggesting that coconut oil

is an effective preventive measure for COVID-19? If not, it's dangerous to encourage people to use something that has no proven value. What if people start thinking it's OK to crowd into bars or not wear a mask because they're snorting coconut oil and therefore are "safe"? Hope and $2 gets you a small cup of coffee at Starbucks.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #27)

Sat May 16, 2020, 12:15 PM

30. As you pointed out, the real danger is that things like this breed complacency......

just as wearing a mask allows one to carry on with face-to-face shouting matches in bars does....

and that close-quarters prayer meetings strengthen one's immunity........


KY......

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #27)

Sat May 16, 2020, 12:27 PM

34. The OP has a number of

completed studies mentioned.

There are always going to be people who need extra cautioning not to do stupid things. Who would have thought that POTUS would contemplate injecting lysol as a cure??

I appreciate what you have said. But, in the face of there being no effective preventive vaccine or cure for a highly infectious disease that can kill healthy people in two weeks flat, a little extra investigation can't hurt the common citizen. We citizens are NOT going to get any first doses, and that denial won't even happen until next year, or the next. Therefore, as long as the proposed "can't hurt" substance will not further harm you, why can't we discuss it?

Who among the people here doesn't know to keep wearing their mask and keep social distancing? Each person has to be their own best advice.

I daresay millions of people take a low dose aspirin in the A.M. as a preventive anti-clot medicine, just in case. Who thought of that? Some investigative person who noticed something about the situation and undertook further study. It either helps or it doesn't.

And, YES. People need HOPE. We are now fighting on two fronts: against Trump, and against this pandemic. It is the most important work that many of us will ever do. And, no one here has suggested injections of lysol as a solution. Only Dear Stupid Leader has done so.

What about Vicks up the nose? They use it to open lungs up, and to mask bad odors. Do you have any ideas about why Vicks says not to put it up your nose, and only on the chest? I'm just asking. Someone here should know.

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Response to EndlessWire (Reply #34)

Sat May 16, 2020, 12:29 PM

35. You do you. I'm sticking to science.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #35)

Sat May 16, 2020, 11:26 PM

38. Cool. Pretty dismissive, though.

Sounds pretty contemptuous. I don't mind very much. Make your exit however you must. Good luck.

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Fri May 15, 2020, 10:01 PM

13. Off hand I'm skeptical, but the University is a large, long established school - its worth ...

looking at. At least it won't kill you outright.

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Fri May 15, 2020, 10:05 PM

14. About the school per wiki ...

The Ateneo de Manila University (Filipino: Pamantasang Ateneo de Manila; Spanish: Universidad Ateneo de Manila), also known simply as the Ateneo de Manila or the Ateneo and abbreviated as AdMU, is a private Catholic Jesuit research university in Quezon City, Philippines. It was founded in 1859 by the Society of Jesus, and has grown from a small publicly-funded school for the children of the Spanish colonial elite, into a nationally- and internationally-recognized teaching and research university. It is also one of several Jesuit-run educational institutions in the country bearing the Ateneo name.

The university provides instruction in both basic and higher education across eleven schools, clustered into three units. Higher education is provided by two units: the Loyola Schools, a group of four schools which provide undergraduate and graduate instruction in the arts, humanities, social sciences, natural sciences, engineering, and business management; and the Professional Schools unit, composed of four schools providing professional education in law, medicine, business, and governance. Meanwhile, the Basic Education Unit, comprising the Grade School, Junior High School, and Senior High School, provides education in the K to 12 level. The different Ateneo units' curricula are generally based on the Jesuit education tradition. This is especially pronounced in the Loyola Schools, which follows a Catholic-rooted, liberal arts core curriculum.[7] The university is also home to a number of research institutes and centers.

As of 2020, five Presidents of the Philippines, five Chief Justices of the Philippine Supreme Court, six National Artists, one National Scientist, and two Ramon Magsaysay awardees have been affiliated with the Ateneo, either as students, alumni, or faculty. The most notable among the Ateneo de Manila's alumni is José Rizal, considered the national hero of the Philippines.

The United Kingdom-based Quacquarelli Symonds (QS) ranks ADMU as the country's top private university, among the top 125 Asian universities, and among the top 600 universities worldwide in annual university rankings.[8]

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Fri May 15, 2020, 10:07 PM

15. I dab on a little daily because it makes my skin feel soft.

If it does other good things, yay.

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Sat May 16, 2020, 01:59 AM

17. It would definitely guarantee I wouldn't get Covid

I'm allergic to coconut

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Sat May 16, 2020, 03:48 AM

18. More woo. At least coconut oil won't actually kill you, like injected bleach...

...but by the same token it is not a miracle cure for infectious disease.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #18)

Sat May 16, 2020, 06:54 AM

20. It was not suggested in the OP

that this is a "cure."

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Sat May 16, 2020, 06:54 AM

21. Coconut stocks..


Rocket!..

For awhile...

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Sat May 16, 2020, 09:35 AM

22. I have used coconut oil for years. It prevents my Belgian waffles

from sticking to the fryer. Also, years ago, my physician told me to apply it to the inside of my nose to prevent nose bleeds -- it works!

Will applying coconut oil to the inside of my nose prevent CV infection? Maybe for nose breathers, by providing an antiviral barrier in the nostrils for CV airborne particles with diameters greater than about 2 micrometers. If that is an important mechanism, no help for Trumpsters (mouth breathers).

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Response to NCjack (Reply #22)

Sat May 16, 2020, 12:07 PM

28. Yeah, the darndest things can work.

I once had a nasal polyp. It was horrible. I read up on home remedies, applied a dilution of hydrogen peroxide on top of it, and voila! 24 hours later, it was gone, never to return. (See your doctor.)

I guess you could call it "off brand" use. But, it worked.

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Response to NCjack (Reply #22)

Sat May 16, 2020, 12:20 PM

31. My nose used to bleed like crazy,

especially when I was a child, but I didn’t “outgrow” them as an adult until I started drinking plenty of water

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Sat May 16, 2020, 09:54 AM

23. You can buy just plain monolauren on Amazon

I had a dr recommend it yrs ago for a virus.

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Sat May 16, 2020, 11:56 AM

26. About 15 years ago I read of a study that indicated coconut oil helped with memory retention.

Ever since then I have been taking coconut oil capsules. Not as high a dosage as they recommend, but half. (I think they know it won't harm you, so encourage you to take as much as possible...)

We'll see if it helps.

Did I mention I started taking coconut oil about 15 years ago. Also fish oil. About 15 years ago. Half dosage. Fish and coconut.

I think I read a study....

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Sat May 16, 2020, 12:15 PM

29. The next covid cure/preventative will be

Laetrile

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Sat May 16, 2020, 12:24 PM

32. Coconut oil does not cure HIV. This is nonsense.

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Sat May 16, 2020, 12:27 PM

33. Published on January 31, 2020.

This is a speculative suggestion that studies be conducted, not a research study on the effectiveness of the idea. It wouldn't harm anyone, but it seems doubtful as a preventative measure, really.

I wouldn't do it, based on this publication, since it hasn't been tested at all, much less in a real study.

HIV isn't caused by a coronavirus, nor is it transmitted by respiratory droplets. So, the studies quoted have no real relevance to CV-19.

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Sat May 16, 2020, 02:30 PM

36. Author recommends VCO as a semi barrier - like a mask or a condom. Urges further study WRT treatment

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