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Fri May 15, 2020, 12:40 PM

Bernie's ideologues are crying the blues

Bernie world descends into disarray


https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/15/bernie-sanders-base-in-disarray-259514

What are they crying about? Perhaps they should STOP being elitist crybabies and just support the defeat of Donald Trump. Then we can sort out the differences in allied political partners.

Thousands of his former volunteers publicly warned him that their organizing networks are on the verge of falling apart since he dropped out of the presidential race five weeks ago. Ex-aides fear that the precious data they collected on his supporters, which could be used to elect progressive candidates and oust President Donald Trump, is going to waste.

Many of Sanders’ allies were demoralized by what they saw as Our Revolution failing to live up to its potential after his first presidential run. Now, in the wake of a second unsuccessful campaign, some fear they’re witnessing a repeat of the 2016 wreck unfold in real time.

There is already discord over new organizations that have sprouted since Sanders dropped out last month. Several progressives are incensed over a super PAC that longtime Sanders adviser Jeff Weaver created to help elect presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden, seeing it as a betrayal of the Vermont senator's opposition to big-money groups.



I always said many of Bernie’s supporters were elitist snobs who really don’t care much about the utter damage Trump has done to the poor, middle-class Americans and the world. Such as when he cut food stamps, attempted to destroy Obamacare, section 8, ruin the environment, ignore global warming, stack the SCOTUS with right-wingers, cut SS, Medicare, Medicaid, and cut taxes on the rich, and be responsible for thousands of American dead in his despicable COVID 19 response.

THIS IS A MATTER OF LIFE AND DEATH...and their bickering over a lost cause!

These things above neither Biden, Hillary nor Obama, or the average liberal Dem WOULD EVER DO. But many of them have a rigid, doctrine attitude like a Communist Bolshevik and always harm the poor when they end up helping to elect radical right-wingers just because their precious ideologue didn’t win.

Join the Biden Train and defeat this generational evil in Donald Trump and stop worrying about dogma and rigid doctrine.

WAKE-UP!






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Reply Bernie's ideologues are crying the blues (Original post)
zak247 May 15 OP
Budi May 15 #1
The Magistrate May 15 #2
BuddhaGirl May 15 #8
DFW May 15 #9
BuddhaGirl May 15 #16
The Magistrate May 15 #19
DFW May 16 #21
Chakaconcarne May 15 #3
The Velveteen Ocelot May 15 #4
Squinch May 15 #5
Yavin4 May 15 #6
apnu May 15 #7
zak247 May 15 #11
RandiFan1290 May 15 #10
DFW May 15 #12
Scurrilous May 15 #13
zak247 May 15 #14
Scurrilous May 15 #17
zak247 May 15 #18
Cha May 15 #20
zak247 May 15 #15

Response to zak247 (Original post)

Fri May 15, 2020, 12:55 PM

1. Is this what he wanted? He needs to make some clear points with those he rallied

Just knock off this stupidity.

It seems he divided his own party's purpose.
What a wasted opportunity for unity against a serious threat to all his future missions.
None of it will be met under Trump.


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Response to zak247 (Original post)

Fri May 15, 2020, 12:57 PM

2. Only To Be Expected, Sir

The cold fact is that 'Bernie' is and always has been only about 'Bernie' --- about his dream of being the charismatic leader who moves the white working class to left revolution. He has never had, and does not have now, the slightest interest in building a progressive movement that is not about 'Bernie'. He does not want to groom successors, he does not want to establish an institution that will outlast him. Now that his last run has failed, his motto is that of Louis XV: "Aspre moi, les deluge."

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #2)

Fri May 15, 2020, 02:02 PM

8. +1

Actually, it's Après moi le déluge

French major here, couldn't help myself

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Response to BuddhaGirl (Reply #8)

Fri May 15, 2020, 02:11 PM

9. Trop vite pour moi

Mais le monsieur n'a jamais prétendu être un vrai francophone, et ce qu'il voulait comminiquer est toute à fait valide.

Au moins, il a fait l'éffort, il faut lui donner ça!

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Response to DFW (Reply #9)

Fri May 15, 2020, 03:56 PM

16. Vous avez raison

J'étais pointilleux. Il faut bien se détendre un peu.

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Response to BuddhaGirl (Reply #8)

Fri May 15, 2020, 04:43 PM

19. Appreciated, Ma'am

I have no idea how to get accents into the lettering, and am not the most careful of typists. I had checked the line, to be sure which king it was. During my adventurous youth I was in Paris and Morocco for a while, and picked up the ability to make myself more or less understood in speech, on a kindergarten level, but that faded some years back.

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #19)

Sat May 16, 2020, 05:53 AM

21. In other words, your French is on a level with Republican English

Nothing to be ashamed of.

By the way, if you are on a laptop, your programs probably include "character map." Go there, select whatever hieroglyphics suit your fancy, and paste them in. The characters necessary for most European languages (Latin, Germanic, Slavic and Hellenic) and most Semitic languages are provided.

I am (during virus-free periods, anyway) in Paris once a week, by the way, as well as on the phone to Geneva daily, so I either keep my French current, or come across as an idiot, and all they have to do is turn on any newscast to see an American doing that. They don't need me to do an in-person encore.

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Response to zak247 (Original post)

Fri May 15, 2020, 01:06 PM

3. "Perhaps they should STOP being elitist crybabies"

Well this certainly won't alienate people our party might need to help organize and defeat Trump.

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Response to Chakaconcarne (Reply #3)

Fri May 15, 2020, 01:10 PM

4. They are already alienated *because* they are elitist crybabies.

Trying to appease them won't do much good because they require perfect purity, which isn't going to happen. Never has, never will.

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Response to Chakaconcarne (Reply #3)

Fri May 15, 2020, 01:14 PM

5. Oh, for fuck's sake. If Trump himself doesn't sufficiently alienate them, they

were never going to be any help to begin with.

Can't believe taking one's ball and flouncing off is still considered an option by these people.

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Response to zak247 (Original post)

Fri May 15, 2020, 01:33 PM

6. Conflating candidates for office with political movement.

Earlier this week, I posted a podcast of an interview between Ezra Klein and Data for Progress about why Bernie lost.

One of the points raised was that some expect a candidate and a political movement to be one and the same. Candidates have to operate within public opinion. Movements shape public opinion.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213432392

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Response to zak247 (Original post)

Fri May 15, 2020, 01:41 PM

7. Many of Bernie's supporters are stone cold Communists

Real ones, the kind that have read Marx, took it seriously and work in that direction. Which includes allowing and helping maximum pain to the oppressed to convince the oppressed to join them. This is classic Marx which Lenin and Trotsky went all in on during the Russian Revolution.

If you hang out in their circles (a few open Facebook groups will do) you will see and hear this discussion pretty quickly.

So, to the OP, yes, many hardcore Bernie or Bust supporters specifically and consciously, want maximum Trump damage. the more pain, death, and damage Trump causes, the better their position is, they think. They believe hastening the Capitalist collapse of America will speed up the "revolution" that comes after. This "revolution", they naively think, will be theirs to fully control.

They forget their own history. And clearly have no understanding of American history or culture.

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Response to apnu (Reply #7)

Fri May 15, 2020, 02:18 PM

11. Denmark socialists?

What you say is really pretty messed up and I suspected it with some of those Bolsheviks, rigid, Taliban of politics so-called “progressives” who must understand communism failed and the greatest communist country ever, Red China, is as capitalist as America.

Of course, they’ll say their Denmark socialists.

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Response to zak247 (Original post)

Fri May 15, 2020, 02:15 PM

10. Welcome Back to DU

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Response to zak247 (Original post)

Fri May 15, 2020, 02:25 PM

12. The srtrictest ideologues were never interested in a dialogue

You might as well spend your effort trying to convert a MAGA hat.

However, I think a vast majority of them, no matter how disappointed, are open for a dialogue. Of the ones open for a dialogue, I think a vast majority of THEM are open for a compromise, and understand that they are welcome--even invited-- to contribute, even if they don't get to control the message. No sense in kicking someone out the door BEFORE listening to what they have to say, right?

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Response to zak247 (Original post)

Fri May 15, 2020, 02:57 PM

13. Epic!

'I always said many of Bernie’s supporters were elitist snobs who really don’t care much about the utter damage Trump has done to the poor, middle-class Americans and the world. Such as when he cut food stamps, attempted to destroy Obamacare, section 8, ruin the environment, ignore global warming, stack the SCOTUS with right-wingers, cut SS, Medicare, Medicaid, and cut taxes on the rich, and be responsible for thousands of American dead in his despicable COVID 19 response.'

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Response to Scurrilous (Reply #13)

Fri May 15, 2020, 03:40 PM

14. Human suffering

That’s what it's all about brother or sister--- People.

The elimination-- as much as we can do as human beings-- of human suffering.

If what they do doesn’t contribute to the lessening of human suffering on any level

Then they are full of crap and all their self-righteous dogma is dog ___!

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Response to zak247 (Reply #14)

Fri May 15, 2020, 03:59 PM

17. Yep.

Bernie voiced his desire to scrap ACA as he campaigned for M4A. IOW scrap an existing healthcare plan which alleviated human suffering in favor of his plan which existed only on paper and had no chance of passing anytime in the future. Ideology and politics trumps human suffering. Resonates of Stalin's dekulakization to further his first five year plan.

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Response to Scurrilous (Reply #17)

Fri May 15, 2020, 04:10 PM

18. Yeah

You make a great point. I think its Germany or Denmark, maybe one of the Scandinavian countries where they have a perfect stew of health care plans...some private some public and it workes fine.

People get psychologically attached to things( like political or religious dogma) and that's one of the problems.

Detachment is a great psychological tool and then the essence of what you want...to help humans--doesn't get lost.

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Response to Scurrilous (Reply #13)

Fri May 15, 2020, 05:26 PM

20. No kidding Epic! Think Sarandon & Stein Lies that there is

no difference between Hillary and trump. and they still think their shit doesn't stink.

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Response to zak247 (Original post)

Fri May 15, 2020, 03:50 PM

15. They are elitists!

What the Bernie bros don’t understand, and its not nuclear physics, is that its all about what we do in a civilization of advanced science and “progress” for each other to advance the elimination of human suffering.

Our European brothers and sisters understand this but not the GOP centered philosophy of selfishness and ignorance.

These so-called progressives who claim to operate on Love in-fact are operating on attachment to dogma, not love.

Any psychologist worth his or her salt can understand that and communicate that to them intellectually that they defeat their own purpose when they, for example, waste their vote for a Jill Stein, a millionaire btw, or a Ralph Nadir, also a millionaire.

They are elitists!

They don’t know ONE PERSON on food stamps. Or section 8.

They don’t know ONE person on SS.

They live in their private egos

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