Michigan security guard shot, killed after asking customer to cover face.

[RandySF]

Link to tweet

?s=20

Jjenna Hupp Andrews
@jjenna
He asked a woman to put on a mask before she could come in. She spit in his face, then came back later with her dad and shot him.

"They said a man shot the 43-year-old security guard in the head near the doorway of the store before running off."

[ProfessorGAC]

1. A Guy Got Killed For Doing His Job??

This is horrendous!
And, talk about holding a grudge!
So $7/hr guy gets spit on, then as the victim, they came back to kill him! Just, yikes!
I hope they catch these 2

[hlthe2b]

2. OMG...

Well damn. the gloves are off. They need to deal with those armed protestors threatening cops, reporters, and others like the terrorists that they are.

My saddest but most hopeful wishes for the family of that security guard. May the community come together to help them.

[calimary]

45. Those aren't mere "armed protestors." They're fucking DOMESTIC TERRORISTS!

Every bit as lethal and menacing as anybody al Qaeda ever issued, if not moreso. A LOT moreso.

[lastlib]

59. Now they're murderers.

Pure, plain, and simple--murderers.

[keithbvadu2]

94. 'Very good/fine people' is the GOP term.

[quakerboy]

152. No more or less than they ever were

Not just murder though. I think words like premeditation and conspiracy also come into play.

[wnylib]

154. First degree pre-meditated murder

committed as an act of terrorism.

Doesn't say which one did the shooting, father or daughter. One of them is a murdering terrorist. The other is an accomplice. Life without parole, imo.

[quakerboy]

178. Assuming the rumors are true about the cause

Re the fake "protestors", though, definitely.

[Rebl2]

106. Yes they

are terrorists. The president is to blame for these new American terrorists. I wouldn’t be surprised if trump didn’t have this virus brought to this country purposely.

[BComplex]

160. You nailed it!

And this action should be a throw down moment to law enforcement across the country that these people are FUCKING CRAZY TERRORISTS and should be handled as such across the country.

[AtheistCrusader]

228. Except now that they are caught, we know the suspects had nothing at all to do with that.

[BComplex]

232. What are you talking about?

They were caught on camera.

[AtheistCrusader]

233. The shooter had nothing to do with the armed protests.

This thread fork was about an assumption that there was a link between the shooting, and the armed shitheads protesting the governor.

That is apparently not the case.

[BComplex]

236. He may not have been PRESENT at the protests, but he's one of their kind.

Only maybe worse.

[sarisataka]

237. What leads you to the conclusion

The shooter is one of their kind? And who is the 'they' you are referring to?

[BComplex]

238. The behavior. eom

[AtheistCrusader]

240. Felon in posession of a gun?

[sarisataka]

241. I still do not understand

Because a person murdered a security guard that means he must be part of a group? Are you saying the suspects belong to, as one poster labeled them, Vanilla ISIS?

[AtheistCrusader]

239. Based on what?

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

141. We might want to wait for an investigation ...

If I had to bet, I'd bet this shooter has zero relation with the armed protesters in Lansing.

[wnylib]

155. But maybe inspired by them.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

169. My bet is, not even that.

Zero relation.

Not inspired by a bunch of middle class white guys dressing up as hunters and pretending to be patriots.

[TrishaJ]

174. Yes, it was going to happen sooner or later.

These thugs showing up with guns and you ask "what are they thinking?" And now we know what they are thinking.

[Demovictory9]

3. omg

[blitzen]

4. Very unfortunately, Vanilla Isis is not just a funny name for these Trump terrorists. n/t

[Jake Stern]

28. Why do you presume he's white?

and a Trumper?

[Hekate]

43. Why do you presume he's not?

My answer is: the percentages are vastly on the side of presuming he is.

ETA: Whenever someone is non-white, media (and cops) make it abundantly clear what the presumed ethnicity of the perp is. Default human is white and male.

[jberryhill]

51. The story isn't even confirmed

Why does everyone think this was about a mask?

But someone said it on Twitter, so it must be true.

Sigh.

[Hekate]

55. Because the content of the OP says it was. And we all are all off and running, in good DU fashion.

Trump is a stochastic terrorist and his followers, like Ivory Soap, are 99.9% white. I wasn't there, & will wait until all the "news" is confirmed by some reputable source -- but that much I do know.

[jberryhill]

58. I guess I'm weird

That may turn out to be the story, but when I see a tweet with a news article, I read the news article. When the tweet and the article didn’t agree l, I searched local news. The closest so far is an article stating that police are investigating social media reports.

Kind of circular so far.

[Hekate]

60. Aha! Well you did more than I, then. I reflexively detest Twit as a "news" source anyway. nt

[jberryhill]

115. You wanna see something really weird?

This shooting in Michigan took place on Friday. The social media reports about the mask are more recent.

However, yesterday, this happened:

https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2020-05-02-security-guard-arrested-after-man-allegedly-shot-during-altercation-over-face-mask/

Security guard arrested after man allegedly shot during altercation over face mask

[LiberalArkie]

61. https://www.abc12.com/content/news/MSP-Security-guard-shot--killed-at-Flint-Family-Dollar-store-5701

https://www.abc12.com/content/news/MSP-Security-guard-shot--killed-at-Flint-Family-Dollar-store-570140661.html

[jberryhill]

65. Where is the part about the face mask?

What, in your mind, does that link prove?

[LiberalArkie]

88. https://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/wife-says-flint-dollar-store-security-guard-killed-over-

https://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/wife-says-flint-dollar-store-security-guard-killed-over-face-mask-dispute

The wife of a Flint dollar store security guard who was shot and killed May 1 said it arose from a dispute over not allowing a customer to enter the store without a face mask.

The wife of the victim wrote about the shooting on her personal Facebook page. She told Michigan Capitol Confidential in a text message that the shooting was due to a dispute over wearing a face mask. The woman asked that her name not be published for safety reasons, because the suspects were still at large. She said she was the victim’s wife and had been together for 20 years and they had eight children.

Other Facebook and Twitter posts on the accounts of people who were friends of the victim are also saying the dispute was over a face mask.

On the Flint Michigan Scanners Facebook page, a woman who said she was present at the shooting wrote: "The Girl Came To The Store The Security Guard Said You Can't Come In Without A Mask So The Girl Went Back And Told A Male Family Member What Happened The Guy Came Back To The Came [sic] In Asked Who Harassed My Daughter And The Security Guard Said She Couldn't Come In Without A Mask And The Guy Just Shot Him In The Head I Was Standing In The Back Of The Store While This Was Happening"

[jberryhill]

90. That is discussed above

Aren’t people’s names usually on their Facebook pages?

[cwydro]

108. No shit.

Gonna bet there’s more than a mask involved in this episode.

[LeftInTX]

112. No

There are pages and there are profiles

Your profile has your name etc. From your profile you can create a page such as a business page for a product you sell etc.

Like this product which can be used in making Trump cocktails:

https://www.facebook.com/pages/category/Product-Service/FABULOSO-124615090895051/

I manage one for my precinct. It's called xyz area Democrats.
I also manage one for our Indivisible group.

Only Fabuloso can create posts on their page.

[SharonAnn]

194. "UPDATE: 3 charged with murder of Family Dollar security guard over face mask dispute"

[LiberalArkie]

66. The guard is dead. The police are investigating as ti whether he was shot over a mask.

[jberryhill]

68. They are investigating social media reports of that

Which is weird, since you’d think someone at the store would know that.

[LiberalArkie]

74. What I got the PD and others say the guard is dead. No suspects yet but they are investigating that

it was over a mask that the store required. This to me indicates that the shooter was white, guard was probably non white. Probably video of it and they are waiting for the guy or gal to lawyer up.

[cwydro]

224. Well, no.

[kcr]

134. Police are investigating the claim

https://www.mlive.com/news/flint/2020/05/police-investigating-if-security-guard-at-flint-store-was-killed-for-requiring-mask.html

[jberryhill]

143. Yes, they saw it on social media and are looking into it

"I saw it on social media and don't know if it is true" is hardly the gold standard for facts.

[kcr]

193. Then why did the police look into it?

And, by the way, found it to be true.

[jberryhill]

196. Ah, they caught the white Trump supporting reopen protesters in question?

Or they caught some hot-headed morons who felt that someone in their family had been dissed?

[kcr]

198. You saw my non-existent post about white trump supporters?

Gee, I thought you were such a stickler about facts.

[jberryhill]

200. No, but what is the point?

That psychic ability is something we should rely on?

There was ZERO confirmation that the incident had anything to do with a mask, and DU ran wild blaming this on the reopen protesters instead of some hotheads.

You saw my non-existent post saying it had nothing to do with a face mask? No. What you saw are my still-correct when-posted remarks that none of the wild assumptions being made had any grounding in confirmed and reported facts.

[kcr]

201. No one needed to be psychic regarding the masks

It was right in the article. Your strange insistence that people in this thread were somehow pulling the mask explanation out of their ass because Twitter, when multiple articles stated the police were investigating whether that was a reason, was bizarre.

[jberryhill]

202. " multiple articles stated the police were investigating whether that was a reason"

Yah, which is really different from claiming that these were Trump-inspired mask-protesters.

The mask is beside the point that some hothead wasn't going to tolerate his wife taking any instructions from a security guard at a store. It wasn't about any political belief (and this is a political forum, which is why stuff like this is posted), and wearing a mask was beside the point that this was about the "I'm not taking any shit from you" reflex of particularly thin-skinned violent people of any political persuasion.

[kcr]

203. I'm not talking about the Trump argument

I'm talking about your claim there was no evidence the shooting was about a mask in the first place.

[muriel_volestrangler]

204. By the time kcr posted #134, the NYT was reporting the wife said it was about masks

So, no, it was not "zero confirmation" at the point kcr joined, and for which you are now trying to berate them. And you brought up white protesters that kcr hadn't mentioned, so their remark about "non-existent post" was justified; but kcr did not say you had said it had nothing to do with a facemask, so your retort fails.

Perhaps you're taking it out on the wrong poster?

[jberryhill]

205. I'm not taking anything out on anyone

Yes, the NYT was reporting the wife said it was about masks. Which had to be information she got from a source not identified by the NYT, and possibly the same social media reports, because she was not a witness to the event.

And, reducing this sort of "don't fuck with me" attitude to some policy argument about masks, doesn't accurately capture what seems to be the dynamic here.

[kcr]

206. How likely is it that her only source is Twitter?

How likely is it she didn't talk to anyone who was there? She probably knew some of the people who worked there. Same goes for the police, btw. It's hardly likely that their only source of the investigation is Twitter. The fact they were announcing that cause as the investigation meant they likely had more than just Twitter to go on.

[muriel_volestrangler]

207. You're doing a damn good online impression of taking it out on them

Congratulations.

As the wife, and as I said to you yesterday, it's quite possible she had better information than 'social media'. Because the store management would have spoken to her, and there's a good chance some workers would too.

What you think of as just "don't fuck with me" was "don't fucking tell my daughter/sister to wear a mask"; escalated, via spitting, to murder. I'm surprised you think you're in position to say what's "accurate" in this case.

[Recursion]

137. Because Flint is majority AA and about 25% white?

[kcr]

195. Wrong. It's 37.8

Not to get involved in the whole kerfuffle of this thread on that topic, though I am originally from Flint, born and raised and as white as can be.

[AtheistCrusader]

229. Where did you get these percentages again? Like, is there an actual source or is this

the school of 'I just made it up'?

"Whenever someone is non-white, media (and cops) make it abundantly clear what the presumed ethnicity of the perp is. Default human is white and male."

I tend to agree that there was a time that this was true. But it was in the 90's.

[Hekate]

235. My answer is right below yours.

I didn't track the lines well in the subthread. Sorry.

Also, there have been studies more recently than the 1990s, and that probably has pushed the trend toward change in equitable reporting.

[Hekate]

234. Observation of American news reporting....

Police are looking for a man, medium build ...
Police are looking for a Hispanic man, medium build...
Police are looking for a black man, medium build...
Police are looking for a man, medium build, Hispanic or possibly Asian...

Which one is white? It's only in the last few years I have noticed a trend toward not making white race the default in descriptions. "Default" means something you don't even have to mention, because obviously, a "man" is white, not some other color.

It says nothing about the ethnic percentages of the criminal class -- nor of any given law-abiding city -- it's just the presumption that unless you say otherwise, the Average Joe is white and anyone else is the exception. Exceptions get pointed out.

There's a trend, in news reporting at least, to rectify this, and I'm glad. I have noticed.

[cwydro]

111. Good question.

[sarisataka]

176. ...

https://www.abc12.com/content/news/3-charged-with-murder-of-Family-Dollar-security-guard-over-face-mask-dispute-570178991.html

[dware]

192. So what do you say now? nt

[ripcord]

199. That is really racist

[Duppers]

214. Uh? Racist against AA's?

Quite the opposite. It's usually tRumpanees who violently object to using PPE. I think AA's (all democratic voters in general) are smarter than white trumphumpers. That's being racist?

[ripcord]

226. This was directed at the deleted comment

[Duppers]

231. Yep. Forgot to delete this one too.

I used the word "most" which was misleading, unfortunate, a mistake.

Now you can put me on ignore if you like. 😁

[Buckeye_Democrat]

5. Fucking assholes!

I predict these kinds of people will start trying to rip off the masks of others in public too.

So sad for the security guard and his loved ones.

[stuffmatters]

208. Both enraging and heartbreaking. He the beloved father of 10 kids.

[BeyondGeography]

6. One of Trump's very good people?

[sellitman]

64. You beat me too it.

Beyond words.

[MyOwnPeace]

7. "These are good people - they're just angry - work with them..."

Thanks, Trump!

[handmade34]

8. I lay this at trump's feet

sad beyond words...

[Botany]

9. Putin is pulling these people's chains. Wearing a mask is the same as losing my 2nd amendment....

... free DUMBS.

Trump, "The Governor of Michigan should give a little, and put out the fire. These are very good people,
but they are angry."

[smirkymonkey]

10. I hope she spends the rest of her life rotting in prison.

These people need to be dealt with very harshly. That poor man and his family. He was only doing his job and trying to keep the public safe and she shot him in cold blood.

[Jamastiene]

22. Even worse, she went and got someone else to do it.

Isn't that the same as hiring a hit man? They should both be charged with everything imaginable.

[CatWoman]

27. ...

A GoFundMe page was created in the guard's honor. More than $3,000 was raised by Sunday. He leaves behind a wife and eight kids, the page said.

[LisaL]

11. I don't see anything in the article itself that suggests

shooting was over a face mask. They are not saying anything about having a female suspect either.

[blitzen]

16. This article says it was a face mask argument.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/05/03/police-flint-guard-shooting-mask-family-dollar/3075515001/

[LisaL]

21. Actually it says claims are being made on social media that it was over a mask.

And police are investigating. Didn't the store have video cameras?

[mfcorey1]

159. Info from Flint news

https://www.mlive.com/news/flint/2020/05/slain-family-dollar-security-guard-mourned-at-candlelight-vigil.html

[jberryhill]

53. No it doesn't.

Read it again and quote where it says that.

[Haggis for Breakfast]

77. What's your point here ?

A man has been shot dead, leaving a wife and EIGHT children. Obviously, people at the scene reported the conversation that took place to LEO and news reporters. Not all details are reported out when a story breaks. Often the particulars come out later after more evidence is gathered and a fuller investigation takes place.


The least people could do is not quibble and show some TRUE empathy for this poor man. Given how trumpie has empowered people to take up arms against the restrictions in place to slow down the spread of COVID-19, is it really so much of a stretch to believe that this was exactly as reported ?

A little compassion, please.

[jberryhill]

85. My point is that I'd like to know if the story is true or not

I’m odd that way.

[Haggis for Breakfast]

87. I'm sure his widow and eight children will be pleased

to know that minutia matters in the eyes of the discerning public.

[jberryhill]

92. The only reason this is of voyeuristic interest to DU

Is because of the face mask angle.

There’s not a DU thread on every person that is shot to death, so let’s not pretend that this story would be at all discussion worthy but for the unconfirmed part about the face mask, so that we can attribute this act to an entire class of people we don’t like.

And I’m pretty sure the family isn’t reading DU.

I don’t understand your hostility. I simply am trying to understand why the tweet in the OP is believed to be true.

[Haggis for Breakfast]

93. And I don't understand your LACK of even a scintilla of compassion.

[jberryhill]

98. Obviously, you need to direct that to the police

Because they are also calling it “social media rumors”. How callous of them.

https://www.mlive.com/news/flint/2020/05/police-investigating-if-security-guard-at-flint-store-was-killed-for-requiring-mask.html

Here’s the GoFundMe link that someone started. Give generously:

https://www.gofundme.com/f/donations-for-duper?utm_source=customer&utm_medium=copy_link-tip&utm_campaign=p_cp+share-sheet

Maybe it’s someone who knows him, maybe it isn’t. You spin the wheel and takes your chances.

Perhaps you can find something constructive to do with your anger. DU has an ignore feature. If looking for confirmation of social media stories bothers you, I highly recommend you put me on ignore.

[Haggis for Breakfast]

101. Just because you and I disagree on this point

is not sufficient reason for me to place you on "ignore" status.

Frequently, I find your posts interesting and educational.

[jberryhill]

105. What is it that we "disagree" about?

You believe he was killed over a face mask.

I believe the police are calling it “social media rumors” thus far.

What is absolutely certain is that the OP copies a thus far unconfirmed rumor as fact.

[Eyeball_Kid]

117. What is absolutely certain is that a provider of NINE people, not including himself, is dead.

He was shot in the head by an irate citizen.

He MAY have been shot because of a dispute over proper COVID-19 related attire.

The investigation is never complete on the first day of the investigation. Give it time.

In a political context, this incident should be brought to the attention of the Person who pretends to be in charge.
But a public disclosure and questioning of the Person in charge should occur, just for the benefit of the public, just so the public can absorb the "I'm not responsible" response that is certain to come, even though he gives the green light to violent and threatening protests. THIS is a violent and threatening protest. THIS is what it looks like. THIS is how Trump wields his power.

Watch carefully. He'll do it again and again. And the violence will ignite again and again. And the GOP? They'll do NOTHING. Think about that for a second. They'll do nothing to stop him. Why? Because they are afraid. They are afraid of losing the election and they hope that this murdering Chaos Monkey (perfect phrase read in an earlier DU post) will help them win.

[jberryhill]

119. It is unknown why the shooting occurred

Which is quite unlike this customer who was shot by a security guard for not wearing a mask:

https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2020-05-02-security-guard-arrested-after-man-allegedly-shot-during-altercation-over-face-mask/

Security guard arrested after man allegedly shot during altercation over face mask

“ In a political context, this incident should be brought to the attention of the Person who pretends to be in charge. ”

Unconfirmed social media accounts are brought to that asshole’s attention every day.

But who is responsible for the customer shot by a security guard for not wearing a mask?

But I lack compassion because I’m reluctant to make a political point out of someone’s death, when none of the alleged facts are confirmed.

[jberryhill]

120. Spare a scintilla for this person?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213387292

[Mariana]

147. Since when does compassion

require accepting whatever some rando says on social media as the gospel truth?

[jberryhill]

95. You should scold the police....

https://www.mlive.com/news/flint/2020/05/police-investigating-if-security-guard-at-flint-store-was-killed-for-requiring-mask.html

“ Police are investigating social media rumors...”

Can you believe it? A man is dead, and the police are “investigating social media rumors”! Who cares about the minutiae!

[Haggis for Breakfast]

216. Well, NOW we know it was TRUE.

From the beginning.

Care to walk anything back ?

You don't always get a sworn, signed affidavit.

I believed it to be true having some knowledge of the area.

Hatred has robbed so many people of their lives and for what ? What is gained ? The two men who acted in this crime are on the run and wanted for First Degree murder, the woman who spit in the man's face is now in custody for her involvement. It turns out that her husband, who fired the shot, is a felon and prohibited from gun ownership. The other man is her son.

One family in mourning.

One family soon to be in prison.

And over something as simple as a request to wear a face mask that the Governor mandated.

I cry at the deterioration of our towns.

[mfcorey1]

157. Slain Family Dollar security guard mourned at candlelight vigil

******snip******

My son called me and he said, ‘Mama, you got to get to the store,' and my heart just dropped,” she said. “I said, ‘Why son?' He said, ‘Mama, just go to the store.’”

When she arrived at the business, Sims-Munerlyn spotted yellow police tape.

“I just instantly thought my baby was gone,” she said as tears welled up at the vigil.

Sims-Munerlyn was told the shooting was the result of an argument over a customer not wearing a mask.

As part of their ongoing investigation, Michigan State Police Lt. David Kaiser said Sunday evening that law enforcement officials are looking into the possibility.

https://www.mlive.com/news/flint/2020/05/slain-family-dollar-security-guard-mourned-at-candlelight-vigil.html

[jberryhill]

162. Also does not confirm that it was over the mask policy

[Buckeye_Democrat]

23. Good point.

I didn’t actually click on the link earlier.

It’s still horrible, of course, but I’d like to see evidence of the motive.

[jberryhill]

35. Yeah. I don't see that either

[Eliot Rosewater]

12. GOP need to be in prison, all of them

[cwydro]

109. I'm gonna go out on a limb and speculate he's not necessarily gop.

If it even happened.

As pointed out elsewhere in the thread, police are saying it’s coming from social media.

[BlueLucy]

13. Did they catch the guy?

[LisaL]

14. Nope. He run off.

Apparently he had no race or ethnicity as articles are only describing his clothing.

[BlueLucy]

42. I found this on twitter.

I hope it's true.

Link to tweet

[LisaL]

49. Can't find any articles saying the suspect was caught.

[Jamastiene]

15. ...AND there they go.

I wondered how long before that kind of stuff would start happening. A ranger was shoved in another story I read earlier here on DU.

They are now lashing out violently. This is how civilization breaks down.

Release any security footage of them that exists, and most likely, there is some kind of camera that caught their faces.

That is murder.

People do see that is murder, right? I cannot be the only one that thinks they need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for murder. Yes, both of them. She needs to be prosecuted for hiring a hitman for going to telling her father to murder someone and the father needs to be prosecuted for doing it.

[dware]

24. It is murder and it sounds like they planned it so that would make

it premeditated murder.

[bucolic_frolic]

30. Conspiracy too

[dware]

32. Yes, that too. nt

[rockfordfile]

17. A real pos these right-wingers are

[cwydro]

110. How do you know it's a right winger?

Too funny.

[virgogal]

18. There is nothing about a mask in the abc link,just from a Tweet.

[jberryhill]

38. +1

No factual support at all, and people just simply believe it.

[Mariana]

144. Careful, you'll be accused of lacking compassion

for pointing out that fact.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

19. Fox-Limbaugh-trumPutin terrorists.

[ffr]

20. The dehumanizing of anyone they deem under them.

Brought to you on a platter by the GOP.

[elleng]

25. Send them to prison,

where they'll catch it.

[Guilded Lilly]

26. There is a privileged, criminally insane faction breeding in America...

from years of the calculated dumbing down and poisonous gun worship of Americans.

That, and evil, hate-drenched, armed, ignorant, arrogant white male stupidity has created a generation of terrorism that by far is more threatening than any foreign intruder.

It just is killing the soul of our country from within and scares me sick that there is nothing that sane humanity and decent men and women can do about it.
Absolutely frightening.

[jberryhill]

187. "evil, hate-drenched, armed, ignorant, arrogant white male stupidity"

Last edited Mon May 4, 2020, 05:19 PM - Edit history (1)

To be fair, you nailed 7 out of 8.

[malaise]

29. Well the Security Guard was liberated from life

Thank you Don the criminally negligent Con - you are directly responsible for this.

[roamer65]

31. God damn it Gov Whitmer.

Use the National Guard and crack down now. You now have a reason to do it.

If we had a death penalty I would have no remorse in executing these two and would volunteer to help.

[47of74]

122. Yeah if the protesters had been minorities said National Guard would have used deadly force

Instead they do less than nothing and we now have a dead security guard to show for it.

[roamer65]

138. THIS.

[raccoon]

33. That is one thing that is wrong with this country, seriously wrong

That is one thing that is wrong with this country, seriously wrong.

You never know when some asshole with a gun—and any asshole can purchase one—is going to take you out. If I wasn’t so old I would relocate to another country that had some sensible gun laws.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

40. It's crazy.

In Ohio, guns are allowed in BARS.

Another good reason to avoid those places often full of irrational-thinking drunks, I guess, even before the pandemic.

[NRaleighLiberal]

34. Stochastic Terrorism. and murder. via trump.

[jberryhill]

36. What makes you believe it was over a mask?

You quote a woman in Ohio, who is nowhere near the incident, and NONE of the local news articles report that.

Did you make any attempt to determine whether the tweet was true before posting it?

[blitzen]

44. Well, this headline does. Although the article itself says that aspect is being investigated.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/05/03/police-flint-guard-shooting-mask-family-dollar/3075515001/

[jberryhill]

48. You see how this works?

“detectives are investigating a flood of reports on social media from people who say”

In other words, no one even reported this “information” to the police.

[blitzen]

50. Yes, I see that clearly. n/t

[muriel_volestrangler]

63. The New York Times is now saying it spoke to his wife, who said it was over a mask

In Flint, Mich., a security guard at a Family Dollar store was fatally shot on Friday afternoon after an altercation that the guard’s wife told The New York Times had occurred over a customer refusing to wear a face covering, which is required in Michigan in any enclosed public space.

Police officials declined to comment on details of the case, but are still looking for the suspect, who fled. A vigil was planned for Sunday night, and a news conference for Monday.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/03/us/coronavirus-masks-protests.html

This report (a Sinclair station, for what that's worth) names him as Calvin Munerlyn, interviews his wife and son, but they don't mention any reason for the shooting: https://nbc25news.com/news/local/family-mourns-loss-of-security-guard-they-say-was-shot-and-killed-at-family-dollar

[jberryhill]

67. It would be interesting to know how she knows that

Because other reporting says that detectives are investigating social media reports to that effect.

[muriel_volestrangler]

72. It is possible that people at the store would talk to his widow

but not to the media. It's also possible that the NYT has been fooled over whether they were talking to the real widow (eg on social media); it's happened before. You'd hope the NYT would take precautions to prevent that these days. And it's also possible that she's now saying it because it's spreading online.

[jberryhill]

75. Well, hopefully it gets sorted out

[muriel_volestrangler]

80. What also indicates caution is the police description of the suspect - just one

The suspect ran into the high rise apartments behind the store.
...
The suspect is described as a thin man, wearing black faded jeans, a black sweatshirt and black and white tennis shoes.

https://nbc25news.com/news/local/state-police-security-guard-shot-and-killed-at-flint-dollar-store

That doesn't fit the "She spit in his face, then came back later with her dad and shot him" in the OP tweet. I don't think they'd put out a description of one man if they had good reason to think there was a man and woman involved.

Though another report talks of "male suspects":

Male suspects fled the scene for high-rise apartments located behind the store, police said at the time.

Police are continuing to search for the suspects, Kaiser said.

https://www.mlive.com/news/flint/2020/05/police-investigating-if-security-guard-at-flint-store-was-killed-for-requiring-mask.html

[LiberalLovinLug]

166. What is your theory?

Usually if it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, its a freakin duck..

You think it was because she didn't have shoes on? Or was drunk? Curious as to why this seemingly diligent family man security guard would just stop her for no reason. So what do you imagine happened?

You seem to get stuck on, "The police are investigating reports that it was over a face mask" Well that is standard practice. The police can't declare the outcome of an investigation before its concluded, no matter how it looks. Even with a smoking gun. You are right in that nothing is proven yet, but I'm curious going through this thread to see how proliferate you are in admonishing those who simply put two and two together based on what is being reported.

If parts of the reported story are correct, and she did not have a mask, and the stores policy required one, and during the dispute, she spit in his face and came back later with her dad and a gun are correct, what do you think it was about? Why such adamant belief it could be about anything else? You may be right, but its hard for me to find another reason, especially if none other is even brought up.

[jberryhill]

168. My theory is that part of the story is unconfirmed

It is a common fallacy to suggest that "we don't know" means something other than "we don't know".

If I tell you, "They pyramids were built by space aliens" and you say you don't believe that, you are not under any obligation to explain how the pyramids were built. There is no affirmative reason to believe the pyramids were built by aliens. There is every reason to believe that people - every bit as smart as us - who had a long time to figure out how to build things out of stone came up with clever techniques for doing so, and those techniques are simply not obvious to us.

Sometimes not knowing is simply not knowing.

Almost everyone in this thread thinks that some white gun-toting nut lives in a predominately AA area of Flint and shot this guard out of some sort of support for Trump. There is NO witness to the event whatsoever who is reported to have said this.

[LiberalLovinLug]

173. Fair enough

just curious. Not that you are sticking up for the rule of law and order, but how strictly adamant you are about it's application before any motive is discussed by laypersons based on what information that has come out.

I do see where you are coming from. For instance, one thing I hate is OPs that start "Trump is fucked for good!", as much as I did with "Cheney is going down!" Promotion of wishful thinking that only disappoints later. Not that this story is "wishful". Other than I guess wishful that we can throw another Trumpy on the fire.

But its just hard to not conclude it was about a face mask. Even if it remains unproven, it probably was about a facemask. That is only my opinion, until something is proven otherwise. Seems plausible. If only that there is no other explaination. That was why I was asking what other suggestions you may have on the origin.

But you are right, technically, legally, they can't say what the motive was yet.

[jberryhill]

184. It's not about any legal principle

It is basic critical thinking

If you want to play the odds, then the presence of white supremacist Trump supporters in a predominately AA community, who flee to a nearby HUD-subsidized apartment building, seems unlikely.

People get their back up at security guards in the believe they have been disrespected in some way on a pretty regular basis. As noted elsewhere in the thread by someone familiar with the area, it is a relative high crime area. An assault on a security guard at a retail establishment in a high crime area has a "most likely" scenario. And it could certainly be someone that feels 'disrespected' in some way. But that doesn't have a political component to it other than the generalized hostility of some people to being told to follow rules.

But, as I was writing this response, the white supremacist, Trump-supporters have been arrested. Frankly, they do not resemble the usual white supremacist Trump supporter militia types I'm used to, but unsurprisingly:

"Leyton said surveillance video shows Larry Teague and Bishop enter the store and start an argument with Munerlyn. Witnesses reported hearing the suspects ask Munerlyn who had disrespected his wife."

...which sounds more like it was of the variety that she reported that a security guard had taken an attitude toward her that she did not like, and so she reported that to her exceptionally violent husband.

[LiberalLovinLug]

217. Well they're not white suprematists I guess

And probably not Trumpies. Being AA and all. I didn't know that and did not read about them living in a HUD subsidized apartment.

But when one hears a story, and all one knows early on its about; Guns. Overreaction. Anger over having to comply by a gob'mint rule. Violence. Face mask dispute, its easy to assume its a white Trumpie "liberator". I did hear there was a white female involved at first as well. Add to that 95% of these kinds of shootings are Trumpies behind the gun. Using critical thinking one might assume its a typical deplorable. But this is an exception.

I guess its just the "garden variety" American shooting, where guns are all too available to use as dispute solvers. And add to the mix that some men regard their female partners as their property. An extension of themselves. So if you dare to make her feel disrespected, you disrespect him as well.

Sad either way. RIP Calvin Munerlyn

[Baitball Blogger]

37. Now her daddy is going to jail, where he won't have any control over exposure to Covid-19

[Bernardo de La Paz]

39. If it was over a mask requirement, then it is as much a Covid death as any other Covid death. . . nt

[NotHardly]

41. Trump loves making terrorists out of his Cultish followers...

Trump and his Adm need to be taken to The Hague and tried for all their crimes.

[dware]

46. Taken to the Hague?

How?
The US is not a signatory to the ICC so they have no jurisdiction.

[reACTIONary]

123. And what army is going to accomplish that?

[ooky]

47. His blood is all over Trump. nt

[Mickju]

52. More blood on Trump's hands

[virgogal]

62. Good lord,go to the link...it has nothing to do with masks..or Trump.

It was a Tweet..

[jberryhill]

71. It's not confirmed

One report says that police are investigating social media reports, and the NYT says his wife told them that’s what she believes.

We don’t know.

[warmfeet]

54. Yeah.

Welcome to the Jungle. We can behave like idiots, we can behave like survivors. Living a bit longer seems good to me.

[turbinetree]

56. .......

[Crunchy Frog]

57. That's what comes from constant capitulation

and refusing to enforce the law on these thugs. They just get more and more emboldened.

[whistler162]

69. Detroit news article

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/05/03/police-flint-guard-shooting-mask-family-dollar/3075515001/

"Michigan State Police investigators are looking into reports that a Flint dollar store security guard was fatally shot Friday after an argument with a customer who refused to wear a mask in the store.

The 43-year-old guard was shot in the head at about 2:15 p.m. Friday at the Family Dollar store at 877 Fifth Ave. He later died in an area hospital. Police are not yet releasing the name of the guard. "

[jberryhill]

73. You'd think someone at the store would have told police.

[pazzyanne]

70. It was only a matter of time, unfortunately!

A man just doing his job

[mindfulNJ]

76. Holy FUCK

I can't even with these people!!

[Ptah]

78. Is the story true?

[pazzyanne]

81. There is a man dead who was shot in the head.

Those are the important facts IMHO.

[Ptah]

82. I don't see any other facts.

[pazzyanne]

84. Am I arguing?

I listed the known facts as far as I am concerned. A man is dead from being shot in the head. Stay tuned for further investigations and facts.

[sinkingfeeling]

79. OMG! These people are nuts. Hope they put both away for life.

[secondwind]

83. There are no words to describe this..... omg

[Sloumeau]

86. The story linked to in the tweet does not mention a mask, but this link does:

[link:https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/05/03/police-flint-guard-shooting-mask-family-dollar/3075515001/|]

Police probe shooting of Flint security guard in confrontation over mask at Family Dollar

Michigan State Police investigators are looking into reports that a Flint dollar store security guard was fatally shot Friday after an argument with a customer who refused to wear a mask in the store.

The 43-year-old guard was shot in the head at about 2:15 p.m. Friday at the Family Dollar store at 877 Fifth Ave. He later died in an area hospital. Police are not yet releasing the name of the guard.

Michigan State Police 1st Lt. David Kaiser said Sunday that detectives are investigating a flood of reports on social media from people who say the violence sparked when the guard told a customer he had to wear a mask, a policy set forth by Gov. Gretchen Whitmer to help curb the spread of the coronavirus.

“We’re seeing a lot of these reports on social media, so we're investigating them," Kaiser said. "We'll talk to all the potential witnesses."

Genesee County Prosecutor David Leyton was expected to hold a press conference Monday, Kaiser said. No time was announced.

No one answered the phone at the Family Dollar store on Sunday.

A GoFundMe page was created in the guard's honor. More than $3,000 was raised by Sunday. He leaves behind a wife and eight kids, the page said.

Whitmer's extended stay-home order went into effect April 27, allowing businesses to refuse service to customers who don't wear face masks.

No criminal penalties are attached to the order, but state officials strongly encourage customers to wear them..

Michigan reported 43,754 confirmed COVID-19 cases as of Sunday and 4,049 deaths. In Genesee County, there are 1,634 cases and 196 deaths.

[jberryhill]

89. Circular reasoning

“ detectives are investigating a flood of reports on social media”

[Kaleva]

91. This article says male suspects (plural) fled the scene after the shooting

"They discovered the 43-year-old security guard had been shot in his head in the business’ doorway.

The security guard was taken to an area hospital where he later died.

He’s been identified by police as Calvin Munerlyn, of Flint.

Male suspects fled the scene for high-rise apartments located behind the store, police said at the time.

Police are continuing to search for the suspects, Kaiser said."

https://www.mlive.com/news/flint/2020/05/police-investigating-if-security-guard-at-flint-store-was-killed-for-requiring-mask.html

[Buckeye_Democrat]

100. This Calvin Munerlyn, I wonder?

There’s a sports bar in Flint MI called Rube’s (see his shirt) too.

[Kaleva]

103. Most likely!. His nickname was Duper.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

104. Must be him.

[Cassidy]

96. I work the registers at an essential business and in 4 yrs I have never seen this level of nastiness

Most customers are fine. Some customers are excellent and very considerate and gracious.
But the Foxers and Trumpers are really nasty. "What are you going to do [if I don't stand where you ask me]".
"What will happen if I don't [wear a mask into the store]".
"You are infringing on my rights [this from a random phone call from a person I doubt is even a customer]"

If innocent people haven't already started being shot by these crazies, we will be soon.

[relayerbob]

97. Call them what they are

Terrorists.

Find these two and stick them in Gitmo, or SuperMax. Lose the fucking key

[blakstoneranger]

99. The detroitnews.com

says it is store policy to wear masks, the story is accurate, trumps stupidity kills again! Will we ever learn? Okay let's see how much damage Trump has done this time. not only is there a dead man who's now unable to care for his family, there's an idiot out there running around on the run from the law and on top of that his nightmare is just starting .thanks to Trump when he's caught, if he's caught, he's going to end up spending the rest of his life in prison and Trump will not do one thing to help him. are you people willing to sacrifice your life your family over some stupid Trump issue the devil is out here Damien Thorn has risen and people are paying a huge price to support him and it's just not worth it.

[Kaleva]

102. Detroit News says police are investigating claims on social media the shooting was because of a mask

"Michigan State Police 1st Lt. David Kaiser said Sunday that detectives are investigating a flood of reports on social media from people who say the violence sparked when the guard told a customer he had to wear a mask, ..."

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/05/03/police-flint-guard-shooting-mask-family-dollar/3075515001/

[mahatmakanejeeves]

142. Forget it, jberryhill; it's Chinatown.

[Blue Owl]

107. C'mon trump, defend these pieces of shit

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

171. I think Trump will not defend the shooter here.

I doubt the shooter is a middle-aged white guy. The shooter is probably no supporter of Trump.

[liberalla]

113. This happened sooner than I expected... we all knew it was just a matter of time

before some rwnj went to this extreme.
Damn shame.

[bucolic_frolic]

114. I didn't realize this was happening

I saw security personnel in the store last week. Here's a story from late March:

https://www.pennlive.com/coronavirus/2020/03/giant-stores-add-extra-security-during-coronavirus-pandemic.html

Giant stores add extra security during coronavirus pandemic

[SheltieLover]

116. NOW will they lock them.up & charge with domestic terrorism?

WTAF? 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

This is what letting these pieces of garbage "protest" shelter in place orders.

Coddling is enabling, which only serves to embolden them!

[Kaleva]

124. Maybe we ought to wait till we find out who the perps actually are.

[Ace Rothstein]

126. You're wasting your time.

This place loves collectively jumping the gun on these stories then ignores them when the truth comes out.

[Jake Stern]

131. Should have seen it when the Jazmine Barnes case was in the news

There were Duers aplenty who were 1000% sure it was a white guy who killed her. Turns out it was a hit by two black gang members that mistook that car with another persons.

[jberryhill]

146. The Duke Lacrosse Team incident was epic

[LanternWaste]

225. The important thing is tp pat oneself on the back at the expense of others

Almost as important is telling ourselves we do it out of relevance, accuracy or some other excuse.

[Celerity]

140. This thread is depressing.

[ripcord]

211. Why exactly does it matter who they are?

What they did matters much more.

[Kaleva]

212. What is your opinion of the others who have been murdered in Flint recently?

This 40 year old woman was in the wrong place at the wrong time

" The 40-year-old woman killed in a drive-by shooting at her residence in Flint has been identified.

Police don't believe Danielle Walker was the intended victim of the April 13 shooting on Tebo Street between Lapeer Road and Kent Street. She was pronounced dead of gunshot wounds inside the residence.

The shooting took place around 4:30 a.m. Investigators are still looking for the suspects and Crime Stoppers is offering a $2,500 reward for information leading to an arrest.

Anyone with information on the shooting is asked to call Michigan State Police at 810-347-4473 or Crime Stoppers at 1-800-422-JAIL."

https://www.abc12.com/content/news/Flint-woman-killed-in-drive-by-shooting-identified-authorities-looking-for-suspect-569897341.html

The only reason the murder of the security guard made the national news is because of the argument about the face mask. Otherwise, he'd just be another statistic.

[dware]

215. Now will you admit that this had absolutely nothing to do with the protesters?

That this wasn't some white gun carrying asshole?
That this had nothing to do with the Mango Menace?

People jump to conclusions far too quickly here and then end up having egg on their face when it turns out to be nothing about what was quickly labeled as.

[Leith]

118. Okay, folks, another angle

I was born and grew up in Flint. I attended U of M right across the street.

The argument may have been over a mask, but that could just be an excuse. Somebody could have either had a beef with the security guard or was just in a bad mood in general.

Flint has had senseless killings for as long as I can remember.

This probably had nothing to do with agent orange at all. Many people made assumptions about the killer and his (or their) motive.

I'm with everyone on being beyond fed up with guns in this country. My final straw was Sandy Hook, but my camel's back was straining long before that.

[Kaleva]

125. I think you are right. The murder took place in a high crime area of Flint

https://www.areavibes.com/flint-mi/crime/

The store is located at 877 E 5th Ave, Flint, MI 48503.

[Leith]

132. I saw the address in an article on the internet

And I knew. That's always been a rough area.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

145. That's a huge parking lot for a Family Dollar. What was it earlier? A restaurant? NT

[Leith]

164. Sorry, I don't remember

It was probably office buildings with 1st floor storefronts, much like the rest of Saginaw Street in that area. It's been more than a couple decades since I was last in that area.

[LeftInTX]

136. The shooter sounds like he's on the younger side

Too young to be the dad of the girl who spit

He took off fairly fast and disappeared into the high rise behind FD.
He was probably not armed with a handgun as opposed to a rifle.

So he was probably a local person

[Cha]

127. ChickenShit Cowardly trump POS.. I hope they catch the MF

asshole.. More BLOOD on trump.

Poor guy doing his damn job!

[Kaleva]

128. News report said that there was more then one male suspect who fled the scene

[Cha]

129. Cowardly Murderous Chickenshits.

I hope they catch them.. I wonder if anyone got any clues on their cells?

Thanks, Kaleva

[Renew Deal]

130. Red Lies Matter

[LeftInTX]

135. Sounds like the person who murdered the security guard was fairly young

They disappeared into the high rise behind FD.
Gun was probably concealed and not one of those rifles.

Some reports indicate that two males were involved.

The fact that this person(s) took off so fast indicates this person was somewhat on the younger side.

[Scarsdale]

148. I hope the security tapes are

good and clear. Some of these clowns are WATING for an excuse to use their weapons. Deepest sympathy to the family of the security guard. I hope there will be plenty of support for them in the community. What the HELL is wrong with people? The worst of the very worst is coming out now. Killed while doing his job, what a waste. I hope daddy's little princess (the spitter) is also charged in this death. Old enough to know better, no doubt. Well, the apple does not fall far from the tree.

[Kaleva]

149. The suspects were described as males

"Male suspects fled the scene for high-rise apartments located behind the store, police said at the time.

Police are continuing to search for the suspects, Kaiser said."

https://www.mlive.com/news/flint/2020/05/police-investigating-if-security-guard-at-flint-store-was-killed-for-requiring-mask.html

[LisaL]

150. Yep, while there seem to be many rumors on social media, I haven't seen one

article describing the incident as it was described in the tweet in the OP.
"Daddy's little princess" probably doesn't exist.

[Kaleva]

151. Reading the news articles, I suspect the shooter will turn out to be a young black male..

who had at least one accomplice.

"FLINT, Mich. - Police say a shooting occurred at the Family Dollar around 1:15 p.m. Friday afternoon across from the University of Michigan - Flint.

The male suspect, thin, wearing black faded jeans, a black sweatshirt, and black and white tennis shoes was last seen fleeing northbound toward River Village apartments from the scene on foot, according to police."

https://nbc25news.com/news/local/police-looking-for-suspect-in-shooting-near-u-of-m-flint

"Male suspects fled the scene for high-rise apartments located behind the store, police said at the time.

Police are continuing to search for the suspects, Kaiser said."

https://www.mlive.com/news/flint/2020/05/police-investigating-if-security-guard-at-flint-store-was-killed-for-requiring-mask.html

[IronLionZion]

153. Family mourns loss of security guard they say was shot and killed at Family Dollar

https://nbc25news.com/news/local/family-mourns-loss-of-security-guard-they-say-was-shot-and-killed-at-family-dollar



Even if it turns out that everyone involved is black doesn't change the fact that one political party is encouraging ordinary people to rebel against state and local authorities to violate COVID-19 orders. We have black males here in DC openly calling our black woman mayor a socialist violating their constitutional freedoms. She's posted armed police and/or national guard at stores to enforce the mask rules and social distancing.

[dlk]

156. We have an epidemic of untreated mental illness in this country

Only someone who is seriously disturbed would choose a prison sentence so they could act out a resentment.

[DBoon]

158. Link to original story

https://www.abc12.com/content/news/MSP-Security-guard-shot--killed-at-Flint-Family-Dollar-store-570140661.html

FLINT (WJRT) - (5/2/20) - State Police in Flint said a security guard at a Family Dollar store died after being shot in the head.

Troopers said the shooter was still on the run.

Investigators said it happened Friday afternoon at Family Dollar East 5th near Saginaw Street.

They said a man shot the 43-year-old security guard in the head near the doorway of the store before running off.

[ChoosenWisely]

161. Here is a local news report

The security guard was a father of eight children.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/05/03/police-flint-guard-shooting-mask-family-dollar/3075515001/

[bucolic_frolic]

172. Should prompt quite a civil suit

I'm no lawyer ..... wrongful death? 25 more working years plus retirement income taken from that family when they need it most. That ought to be worth something and should bankrupt the perpetrators.

[Kaleva]

210. Perps very likely lived in Section 8 housing. Doubt they have much money.

"The male suspect, thin, wearing black faded jeans, a black sweatshirt, and black and white tennis shoes was last seen fleeing northbound toward River Village apartments from the scene on foot, according to police."

https://nbc25news.com/news/local/police-looking-for-suspect-in-shooting-near-u-of-m-flint

[scipan]

163. Wife says... security guard killed over face mask dispute

Wife Says Flint Dollar Store Security Guard Killed Over Face Mask Dispute
'Hard working, father and husband' leaves behind eight 'amazing kids' and wife
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/wife-says-flint-dollar-store-security-guard-killed-over-face-mask-dispute&ved=2ahUKEwjoiKaNv5rpAhXhmXIEHYGUBKoQFjAIegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw3GD6zFYAHgC-2zHrCYvunr

[colsohlibgal]

165. Neo Nazi's On Parade

The hope he is apprehended quickly, tried, and can think about what he did as he spends his life in Prison.

What’s going on lately is not so dissimilar to Germany in the 1930s. We are on the ledge, the 2020 election may decide which way we go.

Do what you have to do and vote to beat back these knuckle dragging Nazi type Creeps.

[MosheFeingold]

186. Black Nazis?

Historically that happened in a couple of places, so I suppose it's possible.

But unlikely.

https://www.abc12.com/content/news/3-charged-with-murder-of-Family-Dollar-security-guard-over-face-mask-dispute-570178991.html

[LudwigPastorius]

167. I knew this was coming after I read this story earlier.

https://nypost.com/2020/05/03/oklahoma-city-ends-face-mask-rule-after-threats-of-violence/

[SunSeeker]

170. Trump did this. nt

[sarisataka]

175. 3 charged with murder of Family Dollar security guard over face mask dispute

3 charged with murder of Family Dollar security guard over face mask dispute

Three people are charged with the murder of a Family Dollar security guard in Flint last week, who got into an altercation over wearing face masks in the store.

Two men remain at large while a woman has been arrested and is awaiting arraignment in the Genesee County Jail.

The male suspects are 44-year-old Larry Edward Teague and 23-year-old Ramonyea Bishop. Teague's wife and Bishop's mother, 45-year-old Sharmel Teague, has been arrested.

All three suspects are facing a charge of first-degree premeditated murder, which carries a mandatory sentence of life in prison with no chance of parole if they are convicted.

https://www.abc12.com/content/news/3-charged-with-murder-of-Family-Dollar-security-guard-over-face-mask-dispute-570178991.html

It appears the incident did involve arguing over a mask. As for the rest of the knee jerk assumptions, it looks like crow will be the main dish on the buffet

[Leith]

177. Thank you

I said much the same (see post #118).

If there was a way to rec a post, yours would be worth a thousand.

[sarisataka]

180. You were spot on

It has happened many time before, a crime is reported with unconfirmed details. A mob forms sure they know the 'who' and the 'why' and condemning the perpetrators vociferously. Later accurate reporting shows those assumptions were quite wrong.

Now if history can be used as a guide, one or two posters will have the moral courage to admit they were wrong, leaping to unsubstantiated conclusions. The majority will remember pressing engagements elsewhere and simply wander away- until next time

[RhodeIslandOne]

179. Seem like neo-Nazis to me.

[sarisataka]

181. Do you suppose if we review pictures from the protest

at the capitol, we will find these men were among the crowd?

[RhodeIslandOne]

182. People need to wake up that there are folks of all races that hate "authority"....

....and will not do as they are asked on this or any other public safety issue. You're lucky to get them to wear seat belts still.

[sarisataka]

183. Very true

though that rapidly becomes a prickly topic for some folks

[jberryhill]

188. They generally don't express that hate in the company of each other, though

Concerning the Michigan capitol in particular:









I'm not seeing these two shooters.

[jberryhill]

185. There are also people with remarkable fragile senses of pride...

...who regard any request, imposition, or perceived slight as "disrespect", which must be met with unreasonably aggressive responses.

They come in all flavors too, but these suspects do not seem to fit in well with the white supremacist Trump humper "reopen" militia types.

[Celerity]

189. so much utter fail on this thread, it was/is shambolic

2 men wanted in murder of Family Dollar security guard over face mask dispute

https://www.wndu.com/content/news/2-men-wanted-in-murder-of-Family-Dollar-security-guard-over-face-mask-dispute-570180051.html



Three people are charged with the murder of a Family Dollar security guard in Flint last week, who got into an altercation over wearing face masks in the store.

Two men remain at large while a woman has been arrested and is awaiting arraignment in the Genesee County Jail.

The male suspects are 44-year-old Larry Edward Teague and 23-year-old Ramonyea Bishop. Teague's wife and Bishop's mother, 45-year-old Sharmel Teague, has been arrested.

All three suspects are facing a charge of first-degree premeditated murder, which carries a mandatory sentence of life in prison with no chance of parole if they are convicted.

Larry Teague and Bishop also are facing several weapons charges, along with violations of Gov. Gretchen Whitmer's order to wear face coverings in enclosed public spaces.

Genesee County Prosecutor David Leyton said Sharmel Teague and her daughter went in the Family Dollar at 877 E. Fifth St. in Flint around 2 p.m. Friday. While inside, security guard Calvin Munerlyn confronted Teague's daughter about not wearing a face mask.

[ProfessorGAC]

190. +1

From assumptions of neo-nazis to pointless arguments over whether a face mask was involved or not.
Knee jerk responses or desperate need to be punctilious...

[Ace Rothstein]

197. People here will never learn.

I guess they really don't care though, their point was made.

[ripcord]

227. The sad thing is every time this happen the reponse here is the same

These people lack common sense, they want to get their political hits in and the facts can come later.

[Revanchist]

191. Interesting how quite this thread got

After it turned out the suspects aren't white

[kcr]

209. Oh, that's because you're in the wrong thread

You want the one that's now speculating whether it's gang-related. You're welcome. Have fun.

[Kaleva]

218. One person speculated that but several suggested the perps were Trump supporters.

[kcr]

222. Woosh

[hughee99]

213. Look, just because the suspects aren't white doesn't mean

We can’t still speculate they were Trump supporters, and even though the face mask order came from the governor, it doesn’t mean it still can’t be Trumps fault. Just because no white people may have been involved, doesn’t mean it can’t be all their fault.

We all know that some people only talk about these stories because it supports their political beliefs, but it’s disappointing to see people give up so easily. There’s still a lot we don’t know about this story, and we can speculate scenarios in which this still supports our politics.

[Kaleva]

219. This story will quickly fade now that it's been determined to be a black on black crime.

[Fla_Democrat]

220. It could still be trump supporters......

Let's not forget the maga hat wearing, homophobic, white supremacists that attacked Brother Smollet.




This certainly deserves more speculation.

[cwydro]

223. Yes it will.

Sink like a stone.

[AtheistCrusader]

230. I both hate and love this post.

[hughee99]

242. I actually feel the same way about it. n/t

[Tipperary]

221. Holy shit.

Like in Mafia days.

[MichMan]

243. Woman arraigned in killing of Flint Family Dollar security guard over coronavirus mask

"A Michigan woman was formally charged Tuesday in the fatal shooting of a store security guard who refused to allow her daughter inside because she wasn't wearing a face mask to protect against transmission of the coronavirus.

Sharmel Teague, 45, was arraigned via video Tuesday in district court, according to the Genesee County prosecutor's office.
Teague, her husband, Larry Teague, 44; and her son, Ramonyea Bishop, 23, face first-degree premeditated murder charges in Friday's killing of Calvin Munerlyn, 43, at a Family Dollar near downtown Flint.

Larry Teague and Bishop have yet to be arrested and are believed to be on the run, prosecutor David Leyton said."


[link:https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/05/06/woman-arraigned-death-family-dollar-security-guard/5174144002/|