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Sat Apr 25, 2020, 01:32 PM

There are greater minds on here than I. So if I'm wrong please tell me re C 19

As I was listening to a panel of Doctors this morning a couple things stood out. It wasn't what they said exactly more what they didn't say. I made some inferences. They said C 19 we are experiencing has exhibited great differences from other nations. Two examples were its ability to kill children and younger adults. The second thing was the clotting and strokes. My inference from this is because of delay in addressing it has mutated. Perhaps we are dealing with C 19 and C 20. Any thoughts appreciated.

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Response to gibraltar72 (Original post)

Sat Apr 25, 2020, 01:49 PM

1. You know more than I do! The clotting has been mentioned practically from the beginning.

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Response to Karadeniz (Reply #1)

Sat Apr 25, 2020, 01:52 PM

3. I only started hearing of the clotting and strokes

recently perhaps I am behind the curve.

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Response to gibraltar72 (Original post)

Sat Apr 25, 2020, 01:50 PM

2. ''In hindsight, there were hints blood problems had been an issue in China and Italy as well, ... ''

April 22, 2020

In hindsight, there were hints blood problems had been an issue in China and Italy as well, but it was more of a footnote in studies and on information-sharing calls that had focused on the disease’s destruction of the lungs.

“It crept up on us. We weren’t hearing a tremendous amount about this internationally,” said Greg Piazza, a cardiovascular specialist at Brigham and Women’s who has begun a study of bleeding complications of covid-19.

Helen W. Boucher, an infectious-disease specialist at Tufts Medical Center, said there’s no reason to think anything is different about the virus in the United States. More likely, she said, the problem was more obvious to American doctors because of the unique demographics of U.S. patients, including large percentages with heart disease and obesity that make them more vulnerable to the ravages of blood clots. She also noted small but important differences in the monitoring and treatment of patients in ICUs in this country that would make clots easier to detect.

“Part of this is by virtue of the fact that we have such incredible intensive care facilities,” she said.

Early data from China on a sample of 183 patients showed more than 70 percent of patients who died of covid-19 had small clots develop throughout their bloodstream. Although acute respiratory distress syndrome still appears to be the leading cause of death in covid-19 patients, blood complications are not far behind, said Behnood Bikdeli, a fourth-year fellow at Columbia University Irving Medical Center, who helped anchor a paper about the blood clots in the Journal of The American College of Cardiology.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/22/coronavirus-blood-clots/

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Response to Donkees (Reply #2)

Sat Apr 25, 2020, 01:55 PM

4. Thanks that is enlightening.

Learn more than I want to every day.

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Response to gibraltar72 (Original post)

Sat Apr 25, 2020, 02:57 PM

5. I've watched this bug advance from Toronto to 500 clicks North

in a month.

I live about 300 clicks North of Toronto in a tiny town of 2k - so far, untouched that we know of, but I wouldn't bet on in it. We've known for some time now that we can be infected with this bug, not a single symptom, and still pass it on to the more vulnerable.

My assessment of this thing and our responses - we still have no idea what we are dealing with despite global response in research and treatments.

Until this is resolved, I'm more than willing to observe our lock-down and social distancing guidelines.

We don't have a clue how to fight this thing yet,

best to keep our distance.

W

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Response to Worried2020 (Reply #5)

Sat Apr 25, 2020, 03:34 PM

6. My thoughts also.

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Response to Worried2020 (Reply #5)

Sat Apr 25, 2020, 03:36 PM

7. We can test an isolate right now that's all we got

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #7)

Sat Apr 25, 2020, 04:19 PM

11. Yup - and that's why I'm pleased our leaders up here have done as they did.



I was outside my apartment a few minutes ago - traffic is next to none, no gatherings, no sound of children playing (that's sorta sad, but necessary imo) - people appear to be willing to comply with our Government's stay at home orders.

Opening up business/travel etc.?

Bad idea.

W

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Response to gibraltar72 (Original post)

Sat Apr 25, 2020, 03:41 PM

8. Some reports of 30+ mutations thus far (non-peer reviewed)

Xpost from another thread I responded to regarding this issue:


https://www.techtimes.com/articles/249039/20200421/breaking-news-covid-19-now-has-mutated-to-over-30-strains-based-on-study-in-china.htm

I see articles at The Hill, NY Post, Jerusalem Times, south China News & this tech site, ranging in age from 1-5 days ago.

One site says 33 mutations

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Response to SheltieLover (Reply #8)

Sat Apr 25, 2020, 03:44 PM

9. I think to piss the Trumpers off I'll call it C 20

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Response to gibraltar72 (Original post)

Sat Apr 25, 2020, 03:48 PM

10. Viruses mutate, some quickly, others not so much.

We have different strains of the Flu every year. Common Cold (rhinoviruses and coronaviruses) mutate so quickly that we develop little immunity to them over seasons.

I would imagine this virus has mutations that create different symptoms. I have heard that it attacks the various mucus membranes in the eyes, nose, throat, and that it affects the kidneys, lungs, and heart.

We simply do not know enough to say whether we are dealing with the same virus that is mutating whether it is a completely different strain.

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