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The Trump Organization, like so many American businesses these days, is experiencing a tremendous downturn in revenues, and because the presidents family company is heavily leveraged and owes millions in payments for loans it has taken out, could be on the verge of total financial collapse and the seizure of its assets, according to the New York Times:
Representatives of Mr. Trumps company have recently spoken with Deutsche Bank, the presidents largest creditor, about the possibility of postponing payments on at least some of its loans from the bank.
And in Florida, the Trump Organization sought guidance last week from Palm Beach County about whether it expected the company to continue making monthly payments on county land that it leases for a 27-hole golf club.
Many of the Trump properties are hemorrhaging money, estimated to be several millions of dollars a day, even though the company has left some hotels and clubs open, despite the call by medical experts to close all such gathering places to slow the spread of COVID-19 across the country.
Creditors are somewhat reluctant to make a big deal out of the payments theyre owed, but can only let the matter go on for so long before taking further action, which could include foreclosure and seizure of assets, the Times notes:
Because of his history of defaults and bankruptcies, Deutsche Bank insisted that Mr. Trump provide personal guarantees on those loans, meaning that the bank has recourse to his personal assets if he were to stop paying back the money.
Deutsche Bank executives have been fretting about what would happen if he were to default, according to bank officials. Seizing the presidents personal assets would be an unattractive proposition. But opting not to collect on the loans would be the equivalent of an enormous financial gift to Mr. Trump.
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The Magistrate
(95,243 posts)Like they would some common bungalow owner's....
"Defeat of a hated enemy is something to be for."
FoxNewsSucks
(10,425 posts)But he and Vlad will get Moscow Mitch to find a way to funnel enough tax money to Deutsche Bank, "subsidies" or "credits", to make sure we taxpayers bear that cost.
That whole family makes me want to puke.
cloudbase
(5,511 posts)you've got a problem. When you owe the bank $10,000,000,
the bank has a problem.
The Magistrate
(95,243 posts)There will be security in property to be seized. The cheap thug does not owe enough to break them, and they know in any case he will never repay. He has been coasting on loans to repay loans for ages.It is better business to bite the bullet.
"Defeat of a hated enemy is something to be for."
Lock him up.
(6,921 posts)... will be vlad to make some deposits to cover Orangeviru$ defaults.
They still want more chaos and NATO destruction from him, no doubt.
olegramps
(8,200 posts)I also wonder what the Russian Mafia may think about him sticking it to them. They are up to their ass with this gangster.
The Magistrate
(95,243 posts)They will never be repaid, the cheap thug has been borrowing to pay old loans for years. Between the interest they will have received over time, and the value of the land beneath various TrumpCo properties they can seize, they have some prospect of getting close to even.
"Defeat of a hated enemy is something to be for."
Lonestarblue
(9,958 posts)The Russian mafia is reportedly heavy into drugs and sex trafficking all over the world. They need a way to make the cash generated legal.
We need a serious revision of real estate tax laws. They have far too many loopholes that allow people like Trump to avoid paying taxes at all, not to mention the ease of laundering money as Trump did when he sold that Florida property for an enormous profit during a recession.
Hestia
(3,818 posts)only reason any of their ilk "stand by him," he's a very useful tool, though the vig still needs to be paid, pandemic or no pandemic.
SayItLoud
(1,701 posts)Get me that guy with the funny hat, what's his name? MBS something or other.....I've got some intel he needs to hear. If he's busy get me Putin...
dem4decades
(11,270 posts)mitch96
(13,871 posts)BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)If you can buy a barrel of oil for about ten bucks - they are well and truly fucked and so is the American oil industry. Imagine that... you cant buy a decent bottle of wine for ten bucks - but you can buy a barrel of oil.
BTW - Deutsche Bank has its own set of problems so letting Fatso slide on his payments may just not be in the cards.
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)in the immortal words of ze forst lay-dee "I really don't care. Do U?" My son was threatened with wage garnishment when he owed the IRS $144.00. Another son died from lack of health insurance. He said "If I go to the doctor, he will send me for all kinds of tests, and I will be in debt for the rest of my life" King Donald the Dunce has no such worries, especially now that he is king of the world. The tRump crime family of grifters is a disgrace. They have no shame, it is their way of life. This presidency gig is a dream come true for them. None of them have to open their wallets, everything is free. For Donnie Jr., even his girlfriend is paid by other people.
erronis
(15,185 posts)to print US denominations.
If it's rubles, he fears a massive wave of inflation - which is probably already happening. Along with shortages and medical emergencies.
If it's dollars, he wins by destabilizing the US. Oh, dear.
Lock him up.
(6,921 posts)ToxMarz
(2,162 posts)He's not gonna dip into his "retirement" nest egg to give Trump charity. And Russia ain't making any money to throw around to useful dupes.
Lock him up.
(6,921 posts)What's a billion out of hundreds of billion really useful for when NATO is barely standing?
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,610 posts)whose collection methods might not be as civilized as Deutsche Bank's?
RussBLib
(9,003 posts)under the surface, beyond the camera, out of earshot, pick your metaphor
MyOwnPeace
(16,920 posts)like firing the person who was to oversee the latest bailout for businesses from Congress?
Oh, who would ever do something like that?
RussBLib
(9,003 posts)Something we probably can't even imagine, like, well, I can't imagine. Besides, it's late
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)They like having all ten of the fingers on their hands and are loath to the possibility of being fitted with steel reenforced concrete socks, and then given a swimming lesson.
DENVERPOPS
(8,790 posts)and TrailerTrashBarbie are out grifting................
And their "Mark" is the U.S. Gov't and Treasury........
Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)they will let him slide exactly because he is the POTUS.
money is money.
Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)CatWoman
(79,293 posts)Trump has destroyed his presidency
luvtheGWN
(1,336 posts)That's what scares me the most. Desperate people do bad....really bad...things.
BComplex
(8,019 posts)to squeeze out of the lower 99%.
The legal issues involved in not having him pay constitutes a gift, which since thw bank is under investigation would likely violate all kinds of laws
avebury
(10,951 posts)on any bank loans declared a gift.
erronis
(15,185 posts)and perhaps DB (altho I doubt that.)
And who is going to enforce tax compliance? The IRS, branch of Treasury, run by mnuchin (to the ground.)
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Their money is everything to them. Without it, they are nothing.
agingdem
(7,805 posts)I want total destruction of everything Trump and his repulsive family
Tiger8
(432 posts)Melania will be the first rat to swim away.
Shell move to Vegas, and after no callbacks on the showgirl gig, and not even a seedy casino/brothel will take her on, shell use her squinty eyes to search for a new mark.
Generic Brad
(14,272 posts)The entire family is nothing but parasitic, insignificant losers.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)is little choice. Most real estate, hotel, entertainment, etc., promoters are in same position or dont want to invest whatever money they have in buying properties right now. Banks dont want properties either, including our houses.
keithbvadu2
(36,669 posts)They wouldn't have money hidden away?
crickets
(25,952 posts)underpants
(182,632 posts)Well see
OAITW r.2.0
(24,307 posts)By not doing his day job, he's (or the blind trust, anyway) now facing financial ruin . Hell of a businessman.
He could have been a hero, building reserves on pandemic supplies and capitalizing on that effort for re-election. Instead he elected to ignore it and the blame on any other available mark.
BigmanPigman
(51,569 posts)pazzyanne
(6,544 posts)He cannot adapt and change like most people do. It is missing from his DNA.
Rabrrrrrr
(58,347 posts)and he's never had anyone tell him "no" or rein him in.
He's found out* that being president is not the same as being CEO of his own company - people in other parts of the government don't have to kiss his ass, and won't kiss his ass, and it infuriates him.
And, as you say, he's a one-trick pony - he can't adapt to the fact that people aren't adapting to his every whim and daily change in what is true.
* I say "found out" with the understanding that he probably hasn't really "found out" in any intellectual sense; but more in the sense that a cat never "finds out" that a kitchen counter is an unsafe place for germy cats but "finds out" that it gets sprayed with water if it's on that particular flat surface.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)niyad
(113,079 posts)Why in the HELL would you give him more???
Oh, wait, I forgot. You and he are laundering money for the russians. Never mind.
wnylib
(21,346 posts)the money laundering business and the Russian oligarchs.
WVreaper
(620 posts)He needs to start making money again to pay off creditors, What to know why you can't see the tax returns?
Lock him up.
(6,921 posts)... but his cult of dummies forgot it already.
Or they must think auditing them takes forever...
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,488 posts)I wouldn't put it past that bunch just so they could soak his deplorables for a few more million.....
patphil
(6,150 posts)Hell, if they can't find a way to siphon off enough money to pay their debts from that piggy bank, they aren't trying.
wnylib
(21,346 posts)to be in control of the funds that Congress allocated for the covid crisis.
pazzyanne
(6,544 posts)MyOwnPeace
(16,920 posts)fired the one person that was to oversee how the money was spent!
3Hotdogs
(12,332 posts)Has their tits in the wringer.
If they foreclose, they are stuck with a non-performing asset that no one else will buy in this economy.
Personal assets? Does the buttplug have any?
machoneman
(3,999 posts)...the bank may be made whole or at least get maybe more than 50% of what is owed, not a bad deal in today's depressed markets. Heck, the land value alone on these properties where the initial loans were made years ago today may still be quite high.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,148 posts)The land for the 27 hole golf course in West Palm Beach is LEASED from the county for $88K per month.
https://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/20200411/coronavirus-florida-trump-asks-about-rent-on-his-west-palm-beach-golf-club
How many of Trump's other properties are built on leased land?
superpatriotman
(6,246 posts)Kickbacks, bribes, graft, etc.
MerryBlooms
(11,757 posts)My CC company is acting like a fucking loan shark these days, I hope his creditors are doing the same to him. I doubt my CC company will come break my legs or kill me, but trump's creditors might.
Mopar151
(9,975 posts)I heard a rumor of `$30K per good, young kidney. That could end up worse than having a tattoo reposessed!
MerryBlooms
(11,757 posts)whose kidneys aren't doing so hot. Wonder what a decent artery, toe or skin is going for? I have great elasticity, super soft and silky.
Mopar151
(9,975 posts)Dont be spending of your principal! Sis sounds like a good investment!
MerryBlooms
(11,757 posts)that keeps my life filled with love and sweetness.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)immediately resigns as president, and force ass-licking Mikie to resign minutes before he does.
CanonRay
(14,085 posts)wnylib
(21,346 posts)a few months ago about offering Trump money to resign? It was hilarious. Talked about money as Trump's only interest in life, so the best way to get rid of him is to buy him out. There were several good lines, but the one that I remember referred to the time Trump had toilet paper stuck to his shoe in public. "That wasn't toilet paper. It was a f..k..ing price tag."
Who knew that Maher's best monologue could become a prediction less than a year later?
This is an excellent idea
mercuryblues
(14,525 posts)Then put the squeeze on the trump family. Between them and Putin, trump will be pissing his depends and not know what way to turn or how high to jump.
canetoad
(17,136 posts)With the business in Junior and Eric's capable hands.
bullwinkle428
(20,628 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(48,966 posts)Mopar151
(9,975 posts)Or assistance? One may only hope!
machoneman
(3,999 posts)they can or at least the most profitable one (before the crash). Auction them off ASAP. Then, fend off any lTrumpian awsuits by claiming the text of the loan agreements allows the lender (they almost always do!) on default by the borrower, to do exactly that.
Kick him in the nuts!
Trueblue Texan
(2,420 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(48,966 posts)Hassler
(3,369 posts)Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)Demovictory9
(32,423 posts)wnylib
(21,346 posts)He will, you know. Unfortunately.
Marie Marie
(9,999 posts)SouthernCal_Dem
(852 posts)Person of Interest
(365 posts)Of course I am being sarcastic!!!
murielm99
(30,717 posts)It is a lot funnier than anything trump has pulled.
AllaN01Bear
(18,009 posts)with him and is about to collect . that does compute.
SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)He intends to use our money to pay off his debts.
Fact.
Frasier Balzov
(2,639 posts)It has a fiduciary duty to its shareholders which would normally reduce its flexibility to bestow special favors.
But with Trump in control of the regulators and the courts, typical safeguards are likely to have been corrupted.
amuse bouche
(3,657 posts)ffr
(22,665 posts)I bet all of it goes into his pockets.
oasis
(49,335 posts)safeinOhio
(32,641 posts)Are you better off today
Than you were 4 years ago?
Hed have to vote for Joe, what dose he have to lose?
dawg day
(7,947 posts)Kushner makes many millions every year from his access to power.
James48
(4,428 posts)Take every single asset he has. Personally.
qwlauren35
(6,145 posts)I hope Trump gets so fucked up the ass, his mind spins with pain, and then collapses in pleasure from being in a totally new position in life. On the bottom.
I hope Deutsche Bank takes everything he has. I hope he is left penniless. I hope they shut down all of his businesses. I hope they seize EVERYTHING.
Nothing short of a maximum security prison stay for crimes against humanity would make me happier than to see Trump lose everything he has.
Takket
(21,529 posts)they'll cheat lie and scam to avoid bankruptcy.........
nakocal
(546 posts)Trump is owned by Putin and the Russian oligarchs.
dugog55
(296 posts)will siphon enough off of the recovery money to clear their debts and be multi-millionaires once again. He did not fire the Inspectors General for nothing. The big embezzlement has already begun.
Nitram
(22,768 posts)legislation to aid the real estate and hotel industries.
WinstonSmith4740
(3,055 posts)Deutsche Bank gets what it deserves by backing him. Why the hell did they think NO American bank would loan to him. But as the world's money launderer, I guess they don't care.
warmfeet
(3,321 posts)He deserves to die, penniless and alone, in federal prison. His family and cronies deserve the same fate.
DarleenMB
(408 posts)he has plundered so far from the US Treasury? Or has it all gone to keep him afloat. Maybe that's why he's so intent on stealing the billions set aside as aid for the pandemic.
catbyte
(34,341 posts)love that OPM (other people's money.)
DFW
(54,302 posts)I'm sure that in the process of allocating $2 trillion, there was room for a few billion to be diverted his way.
Cheney was far less subtle when he oversaw the disappearance of $9 billion in cash somewhere in the Iraqi desert, and the "budget-minded" Republicans shrugged and chalked it up to "collateral damage."
BobTheSubgenius
(11,560 posts)Etc
HarlanPepper
(2,042 posts)Wolf Frankula
(3,598 posts)I don't think any other president has gone bankrupt while in office.
Wolf
Buns_of_Fire
(17,158 posts)All they have to do is print 'em off, slap on the current date, have whoever has power of attorney make his "X", and let fly.
The only additional requirement is that a copy has to be filed with Vlad.
PaulRevere08
(449 posts)And since he is doing this in the best interest of himself/his re-election/the country it would be perfectly legal.
Blue Owl
(50,287 posts)n/t
SWBTATTReg
(22,077 posts)What gets me is that the Bank (Deutsche) is hesitant to act if the loan defaults? Then why did Deutsche Bank loan the money to rump to begin with? Fretting? They brought it on themselves and I am surprised that the German government would allow the Bank to walk away without recourse, should rump default.
Rabrrrrrr
(58,347 posts)He has nothing but piles of debt cleverly accounted for and super leveraged to provide income but always robbing Peter to pay Paul.
Deutsche Bank will find that Donnie ain't got squat.
subana
(586 posts)imagine if he lost the election & also lost all of his money & properties at the same time! Hopefully the state of NY would then prosecute him for all of his past illegal behavior!!
dmr
(28,344 posts)And in the midst of this happening all those "friends" of his put him on ignore.
His sycophants and enablers running far, far away from him, trying to save face, their empty careers and their own pending lawsuits.
Karma.
subana
(586 posts)He should leave in a humiliating defeat with no properties & no money, just in time for the feds to put him & his crooked family in orange jumpsuits!!! He deserves every bit of pain & misery that the law allows!
Evolve Dammit
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meadowlander
(4,388 posts)Looking out for number one of course.
bucolic_frolic
(43,063 posts)there was some critical emergency lending concerning money market funds that spike interest rates to 10%, so something was going on at that time too, and not related to COVID-19.
Marrah_Goodman
(1,586 posts)ProfessorGAC
(64,869 posts)...they're definitely not too big to fail!
LetMyPeopleVote
(144,940 posts)TFG was in trouble before the possible indictment by Vance and an indictment may be the final straw
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