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Boxerfan

(2,533 posts)
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 03:57 PM Sep 2012

Bring back the Military Draft....Think these asshats Republicans will keep playing games

If they have actual skin in the "game"...

I believe the lack of coverage,shared sacrifice has made war far too simple to wage-from an armchair.

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Bring back the Military Draft....Think these asshats Republicans will keep playing games (Original Post) Boxerfan Sep 2012 OP
They're too old to have any "skin in the game". Too rich to have their kids' skin in the game. Barack_America Sep 2012 #1
Well, so is the poster Scootaloo Sep 2012 #4
Being rich don't cut it anymore. atreides1 Sep 2012 #8
They never went and neither did sharp_stick Sep 2012 #2
Even if the draft is reinstated fleur-de-lisa Sep 2012 #3
No draft. former9thward Sep 2012 #5
No! Never! They show that they WILL turn on their own class. It's only more encouragement to go patrice Sep 2012 #6
Rmoney's sons should be the first to draft Panasonic Sep 2012 #7
It's a heart-heavy thought, but one I've had for different reasons SIDURI Sep 2012 #9
the rich, for the most part, will still not have any skin 2pooped2pop Sep 2012 #10
We can't afford a military big enough to make the draft fair. hack89 Sep 2012 #11
I totally agree with this statement. kathman-duzi Sep 2012 #12

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
1. They're too old to have any "skin in the game". Too rich to have their kids' skin in the game.
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 03:59 PM
Sep 2012

And too callous to care about anybody else's skin.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
4. Well, so is the poster
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 04:02 PM
Sep 2012

As is always the case when DU'ers demand the draft.

Fucking morons, the lot of 'em.

atreides1

(16,070 posts)
8. Being rich don't cut it anymore.
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 04:11 PM
Sep 2012

Boards are made up differently then they were...all medical exams are done by the military...there are no exemptions that are permanent.

Even the education exemption is completely different then it was...and if an exemption is granted the next person has to come from the same area...


I was a board member when I lived in Tucson...the changes make getting an exemption very difficult...because you have to convince the entire board of people from completely different walks of life...

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
2. They never went and neither did
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 04:00 PM
Sep 2012

any of their pathetic offspring unless it was voluntary. These kind of assholes always wrote the conscription laws with deferments and other outs for themselves.

fleur-de-lisa

(14,624 posts)
3. Even if the draft is reinstated
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 04:02 PM
Sep 2012

the rich and influential will find a way to keep themselves and their families out of harms way. Bushy and MittWit are prime examples.

former9thward

(31,970 posts)
5. No draft.
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 04:03 PM
Sep 2012

Not needed and not wanted. If you wish to join there are plenty of places around to do that. I did, it was a good experience. Go for it.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
6. No! Never! They show that they WILL turn on their own class. It's only more encouragement to go
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 04:03 PM
Sep 2012

to war whenever anyone wants to.

The ONLY terms I would consider would be if there were an equally funded Department of Peace that draftees could enlist in with little or NO options for crossover enlistments between the two departments, "Defense" and Peace, and some parallel organizational structures, such as, something equal to the UCMJ that is the legal code for the Department of Peace.

 

Panasonic

(2,921 posts)
7. Rmoney's sons should be the first to draft
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 04:07 PM
Sep 2012

and any other chickenhawk's sons, daughters and grandchildren needs to be the first to be drafted into the man's army.

Then these people (if they survive) can tell their parents/grandparents that they're fucking idiots.

SIDURI

(67 posts)
9. It's a heart-heavy thought, but one I've had for different reasons
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 04:25 PM
Sep 2012

Toward the end of Bush-Cheney's regime I began to wonder about the difference in young peoples' response to Bush's war(s) and the Vietnam war, when I was a high school and college student. Every young man I knew felt the cold wind of the Draft, regardless of their place in the lottery. They all felt it. They all had to decide what they would do about it -- an existential decision.

The ones with skin in the game will NEVER be the 1% or even the top 5%. WW II, when families like the Roosevelts and the Kennedys both had offspring in the military services, was an exception. During the Vietnam war, the Texas Air National Guard and other cushy deployments was where the sons of privilege spent their time.

I participated in peaceful demonstrations against the invasion of Iraq many many times. All ages were represented, from grannies to infants in strollers. But the energy and anger of the youth was somehow lacking. Was it because they as a demographic group had no skin in the game? Was it because none -- and I mean none -- of them felt the Draft breathing down their necks?

I have no answer to this. I certainly never thought I'd be questioning the volunteer army concept -- well, until I realized that what we have is an economic Draft, one that makes the denizens of impoverished regions and impoverished schools look at the military as the only way to get ahead. Inequity, again.

Too sad.

Siduri

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
10. the rich, for the most part, will still not have any skin
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 04:31 PM
Sep 2012

in the game. If they don't have a law that excuses them from the draft, they will buy one.

Only the middle and lower class go to war. The rich go in as officers if they go at all.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
11. We can't afford a military big enough to make the draft fair.
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 04:53 PM
Sep 2012

to make the shared sacrifice fair the military needs to be much larger. As small (relatively speaking) as it is now and with so many volunteers wanting to join there is not much room for draftees.

kathman-duzi

(82 posts)
12. I totally agree with this statement.
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 05:21 PM
Sep 2012

And remove the loopholes for the likes of special interests religious groups with the one exclusion of conscientious objectors with a record of more than one meeting attended. Also medically challenged and incapable of serving in some capacity.

No more arm chair chicken hawks like cheney, awol bush baby, rush limpbaugh cystis ass, ted nugent, pretty much the entire low hanging fruit of the gop of that era.

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