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Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:12 AM

Bill Maher defends calling coronavirus 'Chinese virus,' blames China

HBO's Bill Maher on Friday defended calling the novel coronavirus the "Chinese virus," arguing that "pretty liberal" scientists have been "naming diseases after the places they came from for a very long time."

The remarks from the "Real Time" host come after President Trump had repeatedly referred to COVID-19 as the "Chinese virus," but stopped doing so late last month.

“Scientists, who are generally pretty liberal, have been naming diseases after the places they came from for a very long time,” Maher said Friday night while broadcasting his weekly show from his home in California.

“Zika is from the Zika Forest. Ebola from the Ebola River. Hantavirus, the Hantan River. There’s the West Nile Virus and Guinea worm and Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever, and of course the Spanish flu.”

“MERS stands for Middle Eastern Respiratory Syndrome,” the host continued. “It’s plastered all over airports and no one blogs about it. So, why should China get a pass?

Maher proceeded to respond to a tweet by Rep. Ted Lieu (D-Calif.), who criticized Rep. Paul Gosar (R-Ariz.) for calling coronavirus "the Wuhan virus" on March 8.

“No, that would be way stupider because it didn’t come from Milan,” said Maher. “And if it did, I guarantee we’d be calling it the Milan Virus. Jesus f---ing Christ. Can’t we even have a pandemic without getting offended? When they named Lyme disease after a town in Connecticut the locals didn’t get all ticked off?”

“This is about facts. It’s about life and death. We’re barely four months into this pandemic and the wet markets in China — the ones where exotic animals are sold and consumed — are already starting to reopen," he later added.

"Sorry Americans, we're going to have to ask you to keep two ideas in your head at the same time: This has nothing to do with Asian Americans and it has everything to do with China," Maher concluded. "We can't afford the luxury anymore of non-judginess towards a country with habits that kill millions of people everywhere. Because this isn't the first time. SARS came from China. And the bird flu. And the Hong Kong flu. The Asian flu. Viruses come from China just like shortstops come from the Dominican Republic. If they were selling nuclear suitcases at these wet markets, would we be so non-judgmental?"

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/492340-bill-maher-defends-calling-coronavirus-chinese-virus-mocks-ted-lieu

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Reply Bill Maher defends calling coronavirus 'Chinese virus,' blames China (Original post)
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Response to ansible (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:14 AM

1. Saw this. He has a point about the name

But it should be the Wuhan flu or the Wuhan Terrible Flu (WTF).

The naming convention is precedent

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Response to underpants (Reply #1)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:23 AM

7. It's already been named and that's not the name

they deliberatlely didn't go with a place name because of stigma. I don't see what's so hard about using the name it already has rather than jump through hoops to justify racist impulses, othering, blame etc.

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Response to Blues Heron (Reply #7)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:45 AM

23. If that's accurate then unfortunately it backs up his point

 

Lyme disease and Ebola got their names for places and things. In the first case it was a town. In the second it was a river.

I don’t have a dog in the fight. Not passionate about Maher either way but the point you just made doesn’t refute his at all.

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Response to HarlanPepper (Reply #23)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:54 AM

26. Yes, well people from Lyme aren't getting the shit kicked out of them because of their ethnicity.

I imagine they can walk down the street without fear. You know, there's that.

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Response to Laffy Kat (Reply #26)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:54 AM

28. That's true

 

But unfortunately it doesn’t change his point about the tradition of the naming of these diseases.

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Response to Laffy Kat (Reply #26)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:49 PM

79. He addressed that many times

And said that obviously people shouldn't be holding it against Asian-Americans. So there's that.

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Response to Laffy Kat (Reply #26)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 04:11 PM

92. That is on trump, rush, and fox "news", and doesn't have anything to do with how something is named.

It has to do with rightwing racists trying to stir up fear & hatred among not too bright, very mentally & emotionally imbalanced people.

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Response to HarlanPepper (Reply #23)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 12:01 PM

32. That old policy is over

get with the program or risk getting called a racist.

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Response to HarlanPepper (Reply #23)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 12:16 PM

37. The Spanish flu came from Kansas

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Response to lame54 (Reply #37)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 01:00 PM

55. True, and the reason why it was called the Spanish flu is...

... because unlike other European nations engaged in WWI, neutral Spain hadn't censored the news.

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Response to lame54 (Reply #37)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:34 PM

71. That's actually up for debate

 

There are just as many people who believe it started in a WW1 field hospital which was obviously not in Kansas.

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Response to lame54 (Reply #37)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 03:08 PM

83. No it didn't.

According to the National Geographic it came from China. I will go with them...

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/1/140123-spanish-flu-1918-china-origins-pandemic-science-health/?fbclid=IwAR0Geu1G7iMg4DR5GiqKg6-wFJRDZUhjKhlEjhD_6_Zggyb4P83YTexIdY4

1918 Flu Pandemic That Killed 50 Million Originated in China, Historians Say

Chinese laborers transported across Canada thought to be source

THE GLOBAL FLU outbreak of 1918 killed 50 million people worldwide, ranking as one of the deadliest epidemics in history.

For decades, scientists have debated where in the world the pandemic started, variously pinpointing its origins in France, China, the American Midwest, and beyond. Without a clear location, scientists have lacked a complete picture of the conditions that bred the disease and factors that might lead to similar outbreaks in the future.

The deadly "Spanish flu" claimed more lives than World War I, which ended the same year the pandemic struck. Now, new research is placing the flu's emergence in a forgotten episode of World War I: the shipment of Chinese laborers across Canada in sealed train cars.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #83)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 03:29 PM

90. Either way it's not Spanish...

And shouldn't be used as an example

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Response to HarlanPepper (Reply #23)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 12:55 PM

53. The Ebola Virus was named Ebola Virus.

The coronavirus was named COVID-19 or coronavirus.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #53)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:33 PM

70. Ebola takes its name from a river in Zaire

 

Doesn’t really matter much. This is a conversation for people who have too much time on their hands or are invested emotionally one way or another as far as the name. Almost everyone refers to it colloquially as “the virus” anyway.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #53)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 03:17 PM

88. Not really, a lot of people overlook it...

But COVID-19 is the name of the disease, not the virus itself. SARS-CoV-2 is the name of the virus, but that's quite a mouthful so most people refer to it as the Coronavirus since it's the easiest to remember or Covid-19 since it's easier to remember.

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Response to ansible (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:15 AM

2. "Can't we even have a pandemic without getting offended?"

Geez Bill, chill. Don’t be so offended!!!

It’s Trumpsvirus, anyway.

You’re such a efhead.

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Response to ansible (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:16 AM

3. I stopped watching him years ago after his comments on Muslims

Fuck him

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Response to malaise (Reply #3)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:28 AM

11. "Islam is the only religion that acts like the mafia." - Bill Maher

Never forget

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #11)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:35 AM

17. And he said a lot more than that

I don't plan to forget either

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Response to malaise (Reply #17)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:50 AM

25. Some forget that he is no friend of Democrats. Maher discussing Hillary's campaign strategy in 2008:

"I'm not trying to be sexist here, but I'm just saying that women try a lot of different tacks when they're in arguments... I'm not being sexist, I'm just saying that men, when we argue, we're kind of a one-trick pony -- we try our thing, and then we sulk when we don't get our way. But look at Hillary Clinton... Because the first thing a woman does, of course, is cry... and then they go to sweet talking... and then they throw an anger fit totally unrelated to anything.... And when it doesn't work, they bring out the sarcasm."

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #25)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 12:56 PM

54. "I'm not being sexist," before he goes full blown sexist.

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #25)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:47 PM

78. So a guy who gave $1M to Obama campaign and for Dems in 2018 isn't a friend?

Sheesh. Some can't stand the truth.

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Response to Bradshaw3 (Reply #78)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:58 PM

80. Same guy who gave Milo Yiannopoulos and Stephen Bannon a platform on his show

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/409073-bill-maher-thanks-bannon-for-appearing-on-show-says-volumes-why-republicans

HBO host Bill Maher applauded former White House chief strategist Stephen Bannon for coming on his show Friday, arguing Democrats lack political power because they are unwilling to engage with their ideological foes.

"I'm going to say to you what I say to every conservative who comes on this show: Thank you," Maher told Bannon on "Real Time with Bill Maher."

"I appreciate it and it says volumes why Republicans are in power and we have none,” Maher continued. “Hillary Clinton never came here. Maybe she’d be president if she was a little more confident."

"Big time," Bannon responded, largely to silence from Maher's audience.


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Response to dalton99a (Reply #11)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 12:50 PM

51. Bill needs to read some history.

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Response to malaise (Reply #3)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 12:01 PM

33. I gave up on him when he was agreeing with that "Milo" troll...

I gave up on him when he was agreeing with that "Milo" troll (the Ann Coulter wannabe with some Greek surname) when Milo was arguing that transgender individuals should not use public restrooms that match their gender identity. Maher said something in agreement with Milo along the lines of "well, you make a good point there" or "you've got a good argument" or something like that.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #33)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 01:37 PM

61. He has some very biased views

Not my cup of tea although when I watched back in the day, he did have some good guests

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Response to ansible (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:18 AM

4. Eh the Chinese government effed up

More than any other government on earth. That’s true.

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Response to Loki Liesmith (Reply #4)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:25 AM

10. bizzare comment

we have 1/4 the population and about 5 times the deaths. But they fucked up. right.

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Response to Blues Heron (Reply #10)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:30 AM

14. You're assuming the chinese government is even telling the truth

They're bragging about having less than 100k cases.

https://i.insider.com/5e713cb7c48540280e694787?width=1100&format=jpeg&auto=webp

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Response to ansible (Reply #14)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:37 AM

19. their hospitals are empty

You really think they're hiding hundreds of thousands of sick people? Don't let your prejudice cloud your better judgement. Let's hear all the details of your "hidden sick people" conspiracy: where are they? You must have solid info or links right?

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Response to Blues Heron (Reply #19)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 12:19 PM

39. The vast majority of hospitals in the USA are empty too

Does that disprove New York’s numbers?

Do you realize that the overwhelming majority of hospitals in the United States are furloughing employees because there are no patients in the beds?

China has not been honest about the numbers, and has no reflection what so ever about how busy the hospitals are.

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Response to forthemiddle (Reply #39)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 12:34 PM

43. cool story bro

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Response to Blues Heron (Reply #43)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 12:42 PM

48. Cool story about what?

Are you questioning the empty US hospitals, or something else?

I work for a major healthcare consulting firm. We contract for hospitals all over the United States providing healthcare administration and billing functions. We are furloughing almost 90 % of our staff, and the hospitals we work for are doing the same. Without elective, and routine care there is no patients. With people lockdown in their homes, the trauma patients are almost nonexistent.
The hospital beds aren’t being filled up. Outside the hot spots there is no capacity problems.

I am not saying they won’t fill up in the future, but they are empty now.

So once again, what is the “Cool story Bro” referring too?

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Response to Blues Heron (Reply #19)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 12:21 PM

40. +1. Bill Maher and facts

The wet markets in China no longer have exotic animals - China's Congress banned that trade in February ("hunting, trading and transportation of wild terrestrial animals for the purpose of consumption" ). They also banned the slaughter and sale of live animals in wet markets. (Incidentally, wet markets are where many if not most people get their fresh meat and produce in urban areas.)

The Chinese regime is not stupid. They cannot afford a recurrence of this fiasco.

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #40)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 01:59 PM

63. And they allegedly banned civets after SARS.

Nope, there were still reports of civets at the wet markets.

I think Trump fucked up royally but that doesn't mean embrace China and suddenly trust them.

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Response to EllieBC (Reply #63)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:10 PM

68. Who advocates embracing China?

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #68)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 03:00 PM

81. They are not above criticism.

This whole idea they are not fudging their facts and numbers is laughable.

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Response to ansible (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:19 AM

5. He's so opportunistic.

He sees the writing on the wall with Biden winning the presidency, so now he's tilting to the conservative/libertarian side to be contrarian.

And his straw man of selling nuclear suitcases at a wet market being akin to a pandemic is neither funny nor clever.

I stopped watching his show long ago. At times it was good, when he was more on the liberal side.

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Response to ansible (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:22 AM

6. While it is true that it originated in China, it is not why the amoral pig was using the term.

He is using it as racist newspeak to shift blame.

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Response to ansible (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:24 AM

9. That's fine as long as he starts calling the 1918 Pandemic the American Flu.

Most experts now are mostly in agreement that it started here in the states.

The "Spanish" Flu didn't start in Spain. In fact, Spain was one of the few European countries that wasn't overwhelmed by it.

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Response to sarge43 (Reply #9)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:30 AM

13. +1. Haskell County, Kansas

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #13)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 12:13 PM

36. In 1917 doctor in that area wrote to Public Health officials

that he was seeing an outbreak of abnormal flu, more widespread, more lethal. He was ignored.

"History may not be repeat, but it does rhyme."

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Response to sarge43 (Reply #9)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 12:17 PM

38. no, they do not, there is no scientific consensus as to the origin of the so-called Spanish Flu

Kansas is only one of many hypotheses, and is certainly not the consensus of the scientific community.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu#Hypotheses_about_the_source

Hypotheses about the source


United Kingdom

The major UK troop staging and hospital camp in Étaples in France has been theorized by researchers as being at the center of the Spanish flu. The research was published in 1999 by a British team, led by virologist John Oxford. In late 1917, military pathologists reported the onset of a new disease with high mortality that they later recognized as the flu. The overcrowded camp and hospital was an ideal site for the spreading of a respiratory virus. The hospital treated thousands of victims of chemical attacks, and other casualties of war, and 100,000 soldiers passed through the camp every day. It also was home to a piggery, and poultry was regularly brought in for food supplies from surrounding villages. Oxford and his team postulated that a significant precursor virus, harbored in birds, mutated and then migrated to pigs kept near the front.

A report published in 2016 in the Journal of the Chinese Medical Association found evidence that the 1918 virus had been circulating in the European armies for months and possibly years before the 1918 pandemic.


United States

There have been statements that the epidemic originated in the United States. Historian Alfred W. Crosby stated in 2003 that the flu originated in Kansas, and popular author John M. Barry described a January 1918 outbreak in Haskell County, Kansas, as the point of origin in his 2004 article.

A 2018 study of tissue slides and medical reports led by evolutionary biology professor Michael Worobey found evidence against the disease originating from Kansas as those cases were milder and had fewer deaths compared to the situation in New York City in the same time period. The study did find evidence through phylogenetic analyses that the virus likely had a North American origin, though it was not conclusive. In addition, the haemagglutinin glycoproteins of the virus suggest that it was around far prior to 1918 and other studies suggest that the reassortment of the H1N1 virus likely occurred in or around 1915.


China

One of the few regions of the world seemingly less affected by the 1918 flu pandemic was China, where there may have been a comparatively mild flu season in 1918 (although this is disputed due to lack of data during the Warlord Period of China, see Around the globe). Multiple studies have documented that there were relatively few deaths from the flu in China compared to other regions of the world. This has led to speculation that the 1918 flu pandemic originated in China. The relatively mild flu season and lower rates of flu mortality in China in 1918 may be explained due to the fact that the Chinese population had already possessed acquired immunity to the flu virus.

In 1993, Claude Hannoun, the leading expert on the 1918 flu for the Pasteur Institute, asserted the former virus was likely to have come from China. It then mutated in the United States near Boston and from there spread to Brest, France, Europe's battlefields, Europe, and the world with Allied soldiers and sailors as the main disseminators.

In 2014, historian Mark Humphries argued that the mobilization of 96,000 Chinese laborers to work behind the British and French lines might have been the source of the pandemic. Humphries, of the Memorial University of Newfoundland in St. John's, based his conclusions on newly unearthed records. He found archival evidence that a respiratory illness that struck northern China in November 1917 was identified a year later by Chinese health officials as identical to the Spanish flu.

A report published in 2016 in the Journal of the Chinese Medical Association found no evidence that the 1918 virus was imported to Europe via Chinese and Southeast Asian soldiers and workers and instead found evidence of its circulation in Europe before the pandemic. The 2016 study suggested that the low flu mortality rate (an estimated 1/1000) found among the Chinese and Southeast Asian workers in Europe meant that the deadly 1918 influenza pandemic could not have originated from those workers.

A 2018 study of tissue slides and medical reports led by evolutionary biology professor Michael Worobey found evidence against the disease being spread by Chinese workers, noting that workers entered Europe through other routes that did not result in detectable spread, making them unlikely to have been the original hosts.[26]


Other

Hannoun considered several alternative hypotheses of origin, such as Spain, Kansas, and Brest, as being possible, but not likely.[34] Political scientist Andrew Price-Smith published data from the Austrian archives suggesting the influenza began in Austria in early 1917.

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1918 Pandemic (H1N1 virus) (from the CDC)

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-pandemic-h1n1.html

The 1918 influenza pandemic was the most severe pandemic in recent history. It was caused by an H1N1 virus with genes of avian origin. Although there is not universal consensus regarding where the virus originated, it spread worldwide during 1918-1919. In the United States, it was first identified in military personnel in spring 1918. It is estimated that about 500 million people or one-third of the world’s population became infected with this virus. The number of deaths was estimated to be at least 50 million worldwide with about 675,000 occurring in the United States.



The Deadliest Flu: The Complete Story of the Discovery and Reconstruction of the 1918 Pandemic Virus

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/reconstruction-1918-virus.html


Study revives bird origin for 1918 flu pandemic

https://www.nature.com/news/study-revives-bird-origin-for-1918-flu-pandemic-1.14723



The 1918 Spanish Flu Pandemic, the Origins of the H1N1-virus Strain, a Glance in History

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/314079733_The_1918_Spanish_Flu_Pandemic_the_Origins_of_the_H1N1-virus_Strain_a_Glance_in_History




The Origin and Virulence of the 1918 “Spanish” Influenza Virus

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2720273/

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Response to ansible (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:29 AM

12. I am so glad that I dropped HBO and don't watch Maher's bullshit, which he demonstrated

when he pushed goat milk cures HIV:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/virginiahughes/goat-milk-cure

He also borders as an anti-vaxer. I wonder if the asshole will get the vaccine when it comes out?

That Maher is playing STUPID that he doesn't realize what the racist asshole is doing by calling it the "China virus", has nothing to do with the geographical area where the virus first appeared, but instead wants to say that China intentionally caused this virus, and tap into the conspiracy theorists that this was some germ warfare plot

No one is denying that the Coronavirus originated in China, but to push xenophobic bullshit is typical Maher. His anti-Muslim rants is another one of his trademarks

Maher is just a f**king entertainer, who quite a few times doesn't get his facts straight






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Response to ansible (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:32 AM

15. Intent matters

If the intent is to be racist, and it is, than fuck that. I can’t stand that guy


Also, MRSA should be called “The American killer bacteria” by that logic

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Response to ansible (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:33 AM

16. Like Maher, but difference is when someone like trump says "Chinese virus," he's throwing red meat

to his racist/bigoted supporters. That ain't right.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #16)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 03:15 PM

87. On point

And now thousands (maybe millions) of Americans are jumping on the blame China bandwagon as an excuse to deflect blame away from Trump and the GOP for mishandling mitigation from the get go. That's precisely why he's calling it the China virus. I'm OK with "Wuhan Virus" but I have gotten used to calling it CV-19 or Coronavirus.

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Response to ansible (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:36 AM

18. "A country with habits that kill millions of people everywhere"

A country?

Condemn specific practices in an industry, not an entire country or culture. The vast majority of Chinese citizens had nothing to do with the wildlife in the videos.


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Response to ansible (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:38 AM

20. Why do people find this bigot funny?

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Response to ansible (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:43 AM

21. Sorry Maher, some 'Mericans cannot/will not keep more than one idea in their heads.

And you, sir, are a FUCKING IDIOT to even suggest that it's not a risk to Asian-Americans to call it the "Chinese virus". So, with all due respect, FUCK YOU!

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Response to ansible (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:45 AM

22. I get his point..

You have German measles, Marburg Virus, Lyme Disease, Ebola, etc...but we all know why dipshit insists on calling it the China virus.

If they re-open the wet markets, as it seems they are, then China should have to pay a penalty. I don't know..like, let's allow Taiwan to join the UN and every country can cancel its outstanding debt to China in order to recoup costs of treating the pandemic.

I blame Xi, not the Chinese people. They're just as much victims as everyone else. Xi's got to go.

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Response to ansible (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:46 AM

24. Never got the Maher lovers,so not surprised .Let joe Rogan say this ..Same people will be aghast

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Response to ansible (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:54 AM

27. It was already given a name!

If it was originally called the “Chinese virus” by health authorities, then fine, but it wasn’t!

An idiot in the White House doesn’t get to rename it. He played no role in identifying it as a novel virus!

Renaming it was obviously an attempt by Trump to perpetuate xenophobia during this mess!

You know, like anti-Muslim xenophobia, Mr. Maher.

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Response to Buckeye_Democrat (Reply #27)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 12:11 PM

35. That is what I wanted to reply

I suppose variations of Mers-Cov, Corona, Covid-19 are used pretty much worldwide. You know what is meant by it if you didn't just wake up from a coma. Those who point to previous pandemics/diseases named after their suspected origin neglect the fact that there was no need to come up with a new name. We already had a name and everyone understood it.

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Response to ansible (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:56 AM

29. Problem is Trump himself blamed China for the virus, purposely stoking anti-China hysteria from

the WH podium on a daily basis. Trump also saw this as a convenient way to deflect responsibility for his own bungling of the US response, and as further justification for his disastrous ongoing China trade war.

Republican Senator Tom Cotton (and others in the GOP) then suggested the Chinese government was behind the outbreak of the virus, implying it was a military plot to destroy the American economy. Predictably, many of Trump's followers in the right-wing media picked up and ran with this conspiracy theory, resulting in Chinese-Americans being harassed and attacked.

Note to Bill Maher: Many on the left have taken exception to Trump's shameless politicization of the virus, and the anti-Chinese hysteria created by right-wing conspiracy theorists, not the naming of the virus.

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Response to ansible (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:58 AM

30. Pick on Maher day again is it? He's tolerable when he fits into our belief system, but...

let him get one step out of line...

He is a libertarian comedian-- not a liberal, socialist, activist, or anything else people around here like to call themselves.

And we're back to defining any speech that doesn't conform to strict standards as racist sexist, or some other "-ist".

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #30)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 12:00 PM

31. I don't pick on him I ignore him. I've never liked his brand

To tell you the truth, generally the only time I see anything about him is here. And I’m never surprised

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #31)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:39 PM

74. Are you ignoring him now?

 

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #30)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 12:27 PM

41. I like Maher in general but his "Chinese Virus" diatribe last night was total BS. The GOP

used the term as a derogatory statement, knowingly, and with malice. The right-wingers jumped on this with glee.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #30)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 12:40 PM

47. I love Maher and watch his show. I appreciate how he points out hypocrisy and finds the absurd

in every situation. I view Maher as a contrarian, not a libertarian. He prefers absolutism, not nuance, and can be inconsistent in his choice of targets. I reserve the right to criticize Bill Maher whenever I choose.

Bill's taken a lot of heat for his disparaging comments about the muslim faith over the years. He's opened himself up to a lot of hate from progressives, possibly the sort of reflexive criticism we see here. In the end, he's just a comedian.

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Response to sop (Reply #47)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:41 PM

76. I feel more or less the same way

 

But I wasn’t a big fan of this particular point even though he is correct about it. Lyme, Conn., Ebola river in Zaire, etc.

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Response to ansible (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 12:09 PM

34. A very recent news release asserted that the CV-19 virus that

infected the US CAME FROM EUROPE. It was determined through research on contact tracing.

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Response to Eyeball_Kid (Reply #34)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 12:35 PM

44. That was New York specific

Many of the strains found in New York were traced to Europe, while some were traced to the West Coast and Asia. Doesn’t change the fact that the outbreak of SARS-CoV-2 started in China.

As to Maher, he an attention seeking ass, and he’s getting what he wants here. Same as always.

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Response to ansible (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 12:31 PM

42. Fuck you dead, Bill Maher.

He didn't say one fucking word about how using "Chinese virus" would set off trump scum violence against U.S. citizens with Asian backgrounds, did he? (Somebody confirm that---I stopped watching Maher a long time ago.) What the hell is wrong with the "COVID-19" designation?

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Response to ansible (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 12:36 PM

45. Fuck Bill Maher.

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Response to ansible (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 12:40 PM

46. I am glad that I am no longer watching Maher

He is wrong yet again

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #46)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 01:17 PM

58. I wish Maher was more intelligent. He's got a lot of writers and information.

Carville is funny also, but is grounded in political philosophy, real experience, and depth - agree with Carville or not.

Maher is too much like trump. Lot of access, assumes he is smart, shallow, smirky.

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Response to ansible (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 12:43 PM

49. Politics has now infected the naming of diseases

What will be next?

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Response to ansible (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 12:48 PM

50. If it were just being used as a casual name, that would be one thing...

...but you could tell Trump was specifically and transparently calling COVID-19 the "China virus" (in that strange, over-enunciated way Trump says "[CH/G]I-NAH" ) in an effort to deflect blame from himself. And that's disgusting.

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Response to ansible (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 12:53 PM

52. Hey Bill...

... it really doesn't matter, now. The virus has two names... Corona and Covid. We certainly don't need a third.

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Response to ansible (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 01:04 PM

56. He's a comedian. Sensitivity training wasn't on the curriculum...



Part of his schtick is poking people where they feel uncomfortable. I don't get much chance to watch him anymore since he's on cable, but he was never really a "liberal." He's mostly a libertarian that leans left on some things.

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Response to ansible (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 01:09 PM

57. The difference is that Asian Americans are being attacked

When they called it Zika and Ebola, people weren’t getting beaten up because of it. This has consequences for AMERICANS who just happen to have Asian features.

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Response to mainer (Reply #57)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:38 PM

72. I have a few West African friends living in NYC who would disagree

 

2014-15 wasn’t a great time for them.

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Response to HarlanPepper (Reply #72)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 03:10 PM

84. That was wrong, too. But it doesn't excuse beating up Asian Americans.

And we are not talking about people from China. We are talking about families who've been Americans for generations.

It would be like suddenly beating up multi-generational African-Americans for the Ebola virus.

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Response to mainer (Reply #84)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 03:11 PM

85. Who said it did?

 

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Response to ansible (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 01:27 PM

59. Just my opinion, but this isn't about China.

Diseases could easily come from other wild and remote locations. Tearing down rainforests deep in the Amazon could unleash viruses and bacteria we've never seen. Drilling into ancient permafrost could do the same. This isn't about about "China". It's about humanity spreading out and using up resources by encroaching into places that defend themselves, so to speak.

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Response to ansible (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 01:35 PM

60. So Bill Maher is a bigot

Why is anyone surprised? He has been one for decades. It’s not new news. What is disgusting is the Maher sycophants who will defend him just because he doesn’t like Trump.

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Response to Dem4Life1102 (Reply #60)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:03 PM

64. +1. Both Maher and Trump are amoral opportunists

https://www.nytimes.com/2001/01/18/us/tv-host-s-words-draw-criticism-and-apology.html

TV Host's Words Draw Criticism and Apology
Jan. 18, 2001

The ABC television network yesterday rebuked Bill Maher, star of its late-night talk show, ''Politically Incorrect,'' for making insensitive comments about the mentally disabled.

During the show's Jan. 11 telecast, Mr. Maher compared his dogs to ''retarded children,'' adding, ''They're sweet. They're loving. They're kind. But they don't mentally advance at all.'' He made the comments in a discussion about parenting.

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Response to ansible (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 01:56 PM

62. People should stop watching Maher. He's a lunatic and hypocrite.

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Response to ansible (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:03 PM

65. Maher is a jackass...

so hearing that he wants to justify his own racist tendencies isn't surprising. I'm said to see so many do it here though.

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Response to tonedevil (Reply #65)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:16 PM

69. Maher has a long history of racism and bigotry, under the guise of political incorrectness.

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Response to ansible (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:04 PM

66. China is responsible for the wet markets that created this mess in the first place.

The wet markets in China are a petri dish for the creation of deadly viruses. China's government knows this, which is why they closed them. Unfortunately, they've reopened them again. Which is insulting to every nation and culture currently dealing it. China's response has not been to address the underlying issue, which is their utter lack of food, health, and safety regulations. Instead they have chosen to isolate it long enough for it to go away only to rinse and repeat the same cycle over again.

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Response to Galraedia (Reply #66)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:38 PM

73. +1000

 

I guess we’re supposed to ignore that.

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Response to ansible (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:07 PM

67. We have seen reports that the Chinese government at first tried to cover up what was

happening in Wuhan. If they had been more forthcoming about it early on then perhaps the world would have been in a better position to prepare for what has happened since then. So I think I understand where Bill is coming form. It's not about anti-Chinese racism. It's about unconscionable conduct on the part of the Chinese government.

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Response to ansible (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:40 PM

75. I truly don't understand why people put so much stock in Bill Maher...

or any media blowhard. Too much "opinion" and not enough "fact" is killing this country.

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Response to ansible (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:43 PM

77. A Mindless Contrarian, Ma'am

Even when he is right, he's wrong, because nothing but a reflexive opposition to what he imagines to be a consensus of well-meaning people animates him, and he just wants to be the bad boy people can't help but notice.

Notoriety is not fame, but people of his sort cannot tell the difference.

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #77)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 03:02 PM

82. +1. I expect to see him increase his attacks on Democrats next year

(assuming Trump will depart from the scene)


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Response to ansible (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 03:12 PM

86. Calling it the Wuhan coronavirus is defendable. Calling in the Chinese Virus isn't

nt

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Response to ansible (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 03:18 PM

89. Honestly, if he's going that route it'd be more accurate to call it the Carnovirus.

Might have originated in China sure, but it originated specifically because someone had to satisfy their blood fetish.

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Response to Lancero (Reply #89)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 03:49 PM

91. Although one scientist said it could be from bat guano, not from eating bats

Farmers in China collect bat guano for fertilizer. The first case of Covid had no connection with wet markets, so maybe it came from a farmer.

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