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Sat Apr 11, 2020, 01:43 AM

Why Biden may have an easier time than Clinton winning over Sanders' base

The end of Bernie Sanders’ 2020 campaign removes the final roadblock standing between Joe Biden and the Democratic presidential nomination.

But it is Sanders’ army of young, progressive and strong-willed supporters who could pose the more menacing long-term threat to Biden’s ability to unify and excite the party as it marches toward a general election battle against President Donald Trump.

Coaxing Sanders’ backers to climb aboard without alienating the moderate and disillusioned Republicans Biden is counting on in November will be one of the most critical and delicate tasks the former vice president’s campaign undertakes in the coming weeks.

Yet Biden’s advisers argue they already sit in a more favorable position to coalesce the left than widely presumed for three central reasons: Biden’s visible and behind-the-scenes overtures on progressive policy, a considerably less contentious primary than the one between Hillary Clinton and Sanders in 2016, and the much higher stakes to remove Trump from office.

Read more: https://www.theolympian.com/news/politics-government/election/article241859321.html
(Olympia Olympian)

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Reply Why Biden may have an easier time than Clinton winning over Sanders' base (Original post)
TexasTowelie Apr 2020 OP
Swassed Apr 2020 #1
SouthernCal_Dem Apr 2020 #2
msongs Apr 2020 #3
rampartc Apr 2020 #5
LizBeth Apr 2020 #8
Walleye Apr 2020 #22
obamanut2012 Apr 2020 #13
Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #18
Hortensis Apr 2020 #7
eShirl Apr 2020 #9
obamanut2012 Apr 2020 #12
GoCubsGo Apr 2020 #19
HarlanPepper Apr 2020 #28
betsuni Apr 2020 #29
stopdiggin Apr 2020 #4
Hortensis Apr 2020 #6
James48 Apr 2020 #10
Walleye Apr 2020 #20
Squinch Apr 2020 #23
rufus dog Apr 2020 #33
sop Apr 2020 #11
Squinch Apr 2020 #14
DFW Apr 2020 #15
TexasTowelie Apr 2020 #16
DFW Apr 2020 #17
CousinIT Apr 2020 #21
doc03 Apr 2020 #24
Buckeye_Democrat Apr 2020 #27
Buckeye_Democrat Apr 2020 #25
sop Apr 2020 #30
mcar Apr 2020 #26
Jake Stern Apr 2020 #31
SMC22307 Apr 2020 #32
Quixote1818 Apr 2020 #34

Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 01:51 AM

1. Winning Factor

 

It is very controversial thing in which every participant give sure win self.

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Response to Swassed (Reply #1)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 01:53 AM

2. Huh?

What does that have to do with the OP?

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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:28 AM

3. he's a man. nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #3)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:56 AM

5. ridiculous

what did secretary clinton say about sanders supporters? "who needs them?"

biden has been much more unifying, esp in the last week.

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Response to rampartc (Reply #5)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 03:28 AM

8. He's a man.

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Response to LizBeth (Reply #8)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 06:51 AM

22. That's the cold truth

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Response to rampartc (Reply #5)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 06:14 AM

13. Wrong -- the penis is the reason why

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Response to rampartc (Reply #5)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 06:41 AM

18. Hillary Clinton reached out to Sanders supporters...so that is not true. And those supporters who

voted for anyone but her helped elect Trump. Vote blue no matter who...

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Response to msongs (Reply #3)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 03:25 AM

7. Absolutely. Misogyny was a very significant factor in 2016.

Including among Sanders' faction, which regards itself as highly enlightened but is actually heavily influenced by the socially conservative, "lock her up" populist types he also draws.

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Response to msongs (Reply #3)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 04:16 AM

9. This.

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Response to msongs (Reply #3)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 06:14 AM

12. Yup

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Response to msongs (Reply #3)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 06:43 AM

19. Yep.

That, and 40 years of ceaseless vilification of Hillary, most of which had its roots in misogyny.

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Response to msongs (Reply #3)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 08:34 AM

28. Nailed it

 

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Response to msongs (Reply #3)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 08:38 AM

29. Exactly.

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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:50 AM

4. reason #4

because they're not effing STUPID?

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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 03:01 AM

6. Some little problems with slant: Sanders' big youth vote didn't turn out.

Although many fine young people knocked on a lot of doors for him, they turned out not to be an army.

And Sanders drew some young people who are looking for something bigger than themselves to believe in, a movement to join, but generally speaking, people who don't yet vote reliably aren't anyone's base.

A major problem I see in speaking to Sanders' youth voters it that they don't realize yet that his promises weren't real things he could come through with. His dreams have always relied on faith -- that giant waves of support would arise to sweep away all the resistance of representative democracy and clear his path to victory.

Biden's goals in contrast are real-world goals. They're very representative of what Americans want and very accomplishable. But the mundane realities and limitations of serving 327 million people makes them less exciting than Sanders' great movement that refused limitations.

Biden's problem with youth is the one politicians always have with young people who haven't yet developed into engaged, voting citizens (understanding that many people never do). It apparently takes some maturity and a degree of wisdom to be excited and inspired by realistic goals and commitment to maintaining a stable society, within which people can be free to seek their own personal revolutions.

In this case the usual problems are aggravated by the seemingly idealistic expectations Sanders raised in his subset, which a liberal Democratic president not only can't meet but never, ever would, even if it were possible. One faction sweeping all who have other ideas out of its way to impose its will, no matter how well meaning, is not how democracy works.

And that's likely to be discouraging for people of any age who swallowed Sanders' Dem-Repub lies and, so unfortunately, have no idea that to be Democrats fighting to put an end to 40 devastating years of conservative domination and undoing of a century of advances IS to be part of a great movement.

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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 04:43 AM

10. What a load of hooey!

Excuse me, but, as a two time Sanders supporter (now age 59), I think this article completely misses the point.

No- announcing “Medicare if you want to buy in at Age 60” is nothing like “Medicare for All”. It’s not anywhere near a policy that most Sanders supporters will be willing to go knock on doors for.

We’ll hold our nose and cast a vote for Mr. Biden, but there is nothing that he stands for that will make a Sanders supporter jump up and down energetically. I’m pretty sure that whoever wrote this article likely has never spent a day conversing with a Sanders supporter. And, unfortunately, neither has Joe, nor have Joe’s advisors .

Good luck. Let us know how that turns out.

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Response to James48 (Reply #10)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 06:48 AM

20. Don't care what part of your anatomy you hold. Just vote Blue!

And try not to whine about it.

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Response to James48 (Reply #10)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 07:27 AM

23. While we are all bereft about the fact that we will not see you jump up and

down energetically, your jumping is not essential to the process.

Many of us preferred other candidates. We all see what needs to be done now, and we will do it with all our might.

Everyone needs to put on their big people panties now. And if you will not enthusiastically support Joe as an alternative to Donnie Bodybags, I just really don't know what to say to you.

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Response to James48 (Reply #10)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 10:48 AM

33. My comment back to you

 

Close to your age, voted for Bernie in the 2016 primary, (mistake! - Has nothing to do with misogyny, I just don't like the Clinton's, like her better than Bill, not going to explain it here) but really don't get your point, well I think I do but I find it extremely offensive.

We’ll hold our nose and cast a vote for Mr. Biden, but there is nothing that he stands for that will make a Sanders supporter jump up and down energetically. I’m pretty sure that whoever wrote this article likely has never spent a day conversing with a Sanders supporter. And, unfortunately, neither has Joe, nor have Joe’s advisors .


Seriously, FUCKING SERIOUSLY!

1. How many active Corona virus cased do we have in the US right now? How many deaths? Do you think HRC would have done any better? Do you think Biden will do better? (Be real careful how you answer the last two, because they my show your true colors)
Yet you state "We'll hold our nose and cast a vote for Mr. Biden" Seriously, FUCKING SERIOUSLY!

2. Kids are still in cages, that fact the kids were EVER in cages is a problem. Do you think HRC would have done any better? Do you think Biden will do better? yet you state "We'll hold our nose and cast a vote for Mr. Biden" Seriously, FUCKING SERIOUSLY!

3. Could go on and make this list 100 items, stacking courts, the wall, muslim bans, etc, etc, etc. In each cast the same questions are valid. Do you think HRC would have done any better? Do you think Biden will do better? yet you state "We'll hold our nose and cast a vote for Mr. Biden" Seriously, FUCKING SERIOUSLY!

I'm guessing nothing has directly impacted you, if items 1 and 2 can't get you out to enthusiastically vote for Biden, then I suggest the issue is with you and not Biden.

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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 06:01 AM

11. Four years of Trump will clarify the mind, and four more years of Trump will scare the bejeezus

out of even the most recalcitrant Bernie follower. The expression "mugged by reality" comes to mind.

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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 06:15 AM

14. Any voter who needs to be "won over" at this point is either a sociopath

who is just being "undecided" for attention and to fuck with the rest of us, or they are too stupid to be reasoned with.

Either way, they will come around or not due to things that have little to do with what we or the candidate says or does.

I wish people would move on from this. "Courting" these people is self destructuve insanity.

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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 06:18 AM

15. While I believe Biden would do well to avoid aggravating Sanders' supporters

If I were in his position, I would not be approaching them on bended knee, either. He wone the primary decisively, and should act like it.

If Sanders and his machine play a significant part in Biden's election, reward the loyalty. Don't beg for it beforehand.

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Response to DFW (Reply #15)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 06:32 AM

16. I believe that there are more votes to be won in the middle of the political bell curve

than at the tail of the curve more than two deviations left of the mean.

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Response to TexasTowelie (Reply #16)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 06:37 AM

17. No arguments there

GOTV will be most effective with groups shown to actually have voted in the past.

My message to Sanders and his followers would be "Get With It," not "Get Lost."

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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 06:50 AM

21. #1: he has a penis.

Now don't get me wrong. I love Biden. I think he's a great person. And he'll make a find President.

But the #1 reason he'd have an easier time over what Clinton dealt with as nominee, is that he's a male.

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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 08:21 AM

24. I would guess so the Republicans waged a war

against Hillary for nearly 30 years. The NRA sent fund raising letters out every few days for decades attacking her and Ted Kennedy. They hammered on Bengazi for
over three years. There is nobody that has ever been so maligned as Hillary Clinton.
I look up and there is anus lips on the TV god I would like to punch him in the mouth.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #24)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 08:34 AM

27. Yep, I just wrote something similar. nt

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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 08:33 AM

25. Biden also hasn't been a "target" of right-wing...

... propaganda nearly as much as Hillary Clinton.

The years of attacks against HRC were seeped in the minds of many voters. It can be hard to change some people’s minds after they’ve “picked a side”.

Since those were old and vicious attacks, they could seem more plausible to casual voters who might otherwise “expect” that sort of thing between opponents of an upcoming election.

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Response to Buckeye_Democrat (Reply #25)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 10:14 AM

30. The right-wing began their anti-Hillary jihad in 1993, right after Bill put her in charge of his

healthcare panel. Hillary's been the right's favorite bête noire for over a quarter century. Biden's been spared that level of vitriol so far, the most the right would say about Joe was, "he's a gaffe machine."

Trump's Ukraine scheme to smear Biden and his son really blew up in his face, and got him impeached. As a result, Joe's probably been inoculated from future Ukraine attacks. The right-wing's smear machine is scrambling to catch up now, so it will be interesting to see what they come up with over the next seven months.

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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 08:33 AM

26. One reason and one reason alone

He's not female.

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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 10:38 AM

31. Two reasons stick out to me:

1. He's shown, by adopting some of Bernie's platform, that he's open to those kind of ideas.

2. Biden has taken a much more conciliatory tone than Clinton did in 2016. The Clinton camp's attitude toward Bernie supporters was along the lines of "We won. You lost. Get with the program or STFU" while Biden's approach is more "I'm asking you to join me in defeating Trump".







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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 10:41 AM

32. Medicare at 60 and wiping out college debt for those making under $100K.

No analysis needed - those are WINNERS.

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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2020, 10:48 AM

34. I also think a lot of people thought Hillary had it in the bag. That won't happen this time. nt

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