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Sun Mar 29, 2020, 03:04 AM

Wearing a mask.

In the U.S., we're being told wearing a mask in public is not necessary unless your sick.

A couple months ago, I heard a professional say wearing a mask when you're healthy is not a good idea because you'd be touching your face more (to adjust it, etc). So, I've only been wearing gloves at the grocery store, pumping gas, etc.

But lately I've been hearing that wearing a mask in public is a good idea, and in fact will probably be recommended in the U.S. soon (I'm guessing when the medical community has sufficient supply).

Last night, I was reading about the 1918 pandemic in Los Angeles. Wearing a mask became a law: if you were outside without a mask, you stood the chance of being fined or arrested.

I realize we're in short supply of masks right now (for the medical field) so telling the public to wear a mask would create more of a supply issue, but if wearing a mask helps contain the virus, we should at least be aware of the dangers of not wearing a mask—perhaps this would keep more people from having parties, gathering in groups, and being 100% sure to practice physical distancing.

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Reply Wearing a mask. (Original post)
C Moon Mar 29 OP
elleng Mar 29 #1
safeinOhio Mar 29 #2
Meowmee Mar 29 #3
C Moon Mar 29 #4
Meowmee Mar 29 #7
fleabiscuit Mar 29 #8
Meowmee Mar 29 #10
PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 29 #14
KentuckyWoman Mar 29 #41
Meowmee Mar 29 #47
2naSalit Mar 29 #5
PoliticAverse Mar 29 #6
FreeState Mar 29 #11
ProfessorGAC Mar 29 #23
LisaL Mar 29 #35
ProfessorGAC Mar 29 #39
Strelnikov_ Mar 29 #43
Kaleva Mar 29 #9
grantcart Mar 29 #15
pnwmom Mar 29 #19
Meowmee Mar 29 #48
Kaleva Mar 29 #33
LisaL Mar 29 #36
Kaleva Mar 29 #38
womanofthehills Mar 30 #53
womanofthehills Mar 30 #49
LizBeth Mar 29 #12
dewsgirl Mar 30 #51
KewlKat Mar 29 #13
grantcart Mar 29 #16
honest.abe Mar 29 #17
WePurrsevere Mar 29 #30
Raine Mar 29 #18
BigmanPigman Mar 29 #20
cwydro Mar 29 #21
C Moon Mar 29 #46
progree Mar 29 #22
ProfessorGAC Mar 29 #24
progree Mar 29 #25
ProfessorGAC Mar 29 #29
progree Mar 29 #32
ProfessorGAC Mar 29 #34
honest.abe Mar 29 #37
greenjar_01 Mar 30 #50
soryang Mar 30 #52
kentuck Mar 29 #26
progree Mar 29 #28
kentuck Mar 29 #31
honest.abe Mar 29 #42
catsudon Mar 29 #27
honest.abe Mar 29 #40
bamagal62 Mar 29 #44
Strelnikov_ Mar 29 #45
Kaleva Mar 30 #54
C Moon Mar 30 #55
Demsrule86 Mar 30 #56
C Moon Mar 30 #57

Response to C Moon (Original post)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 03:09 AM

1. Wash your hands,

and keep hands away from your face.

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/1017574123

Watch on Vimeo.

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Response to C Moon (Original post)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 03:11 AM

2. My GF and her friend are cranking them out.

Very nice looking and comfy. I'm proud to wear them.

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Response to C Moon (Original post)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 03:12 AM

3. Wearing a mask will help

What they are saying is wrong. People who have had transplants wear masks to protect them for a few months after. I am high risk and ordered a cloth mask with filters. Is it an n95s, no, but it will still give me some protection. Remember virus particles are small but they are attached to larger particles of mucus so any type of mask will give you some protection. Last time I went to a doc they were all wearing masks. They gave me one. When I went in early February to a clinic with symptoms they were wearing masks.

I am not going out at all now but I will wear mine if I do.

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Response to Meowmee (Reply #3)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 03:13 AM

4. Thank you!

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Response to C Moon (Reply #4)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 03:19 AM

7. You're welcome 😊

And my doc said do not feel guilty about it. Protecting yourself is a good thing. No one else is going to do it for you. Buying a cloth mask etc and filters is not depriving hcw. If you want to be as safe as possible wear one, but it has to be removed carefully and sterilized after as well. I plan to steam and wash mine / change the filter each time.

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Response to Meowmee (Reply #3)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 03:21 AM

8. People going through chemo often wear masks also. nt

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Response to fleabiscuit (Reply #8)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 03:31 AM

10. Yes and anyone who is high risk or compromised etc should nt

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Response to Meowmee (Reply #3)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 03:42 AM

14. When my brother had a kidney transplant nearly 20 years ago he didn't wear a mask.

For what that is worth.

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Response to Meowmee (Reply #3)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 09:38 AM

41. When hubby was on chemo

RT told me bandanna 2 hair ties and coffee filter cut to size. Not PPE level by any means but 3 years he did not catch anything. Hand washing and surface cleaning along with.

If I go out I am wearing my DIY mask. If nothing else it makes people keep away.

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Response to KentuckyWoman (Reply #41)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 07:57 PM

47. I think anything will help

You can get cloth masks which can be washed etc with a vent on amazon with changeable filters, which is what I did. My doc gave me a surgical mask when I was there. I think if you are not using it a lot you can microwave it and use again but I will use my cloth mask. Yep keeps people away.

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Response to C Moon (Original post)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 03:13 AM

5. Watch this 35 minute video, it will aswer many questions.

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Response to C Moon (Original post)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 03:14 AM

6. It's a good idea to wear a mask. They aren't going to recommend that in the US at the moment...

because they are in short supply and don't want the average person competing against health care professionals on the front lines for the limited mask supply.

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #6)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 03:32 AM

11. Healthcare facilities contract with the suppliers

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Response to FreeState (Reply #11)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 07:02 AM

23. The Article Says That?

It specifically says 90% of masks are made for health care folks, & critical industries like pharma, food, etc.
The 3M CEO actually says he's disappointed that those masks were on Target's shelves.
And, I fails to mention that usage rates among med professionals is higher than normal.
So in fact, consumer purchases are competing with those corporate contracts. Your own link provides the evidence.

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #23)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 09:08 AM

35. If less consumers get sick, medical professionals wouldn't need so many masks.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #35)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 09:28 AM

39. Ok

We don't agree. That's OK. We are not the Borg.

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #23)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 09:55 AM

43. About three weeks ago


At the beginning of the freak-out, I was in Hy-Vee.

Heard a customer ask about masks. The manager said they had all been pulled from the shelves and sent to hospital's.

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Response to C Moon (Original post)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 03:21 AM

9. A number of studies show that wearing a mask is effective.



"Surgical masks as good as respirators for flu and respiratory virus protection
by UT Southwestern Medical Center"

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-09-surgical-masks-good-respirators-flu.html

"“Yes, a surgical mask can help prevent the flu,” Sherif Mossad, MD, an infectious disease specialist at the Cleveland Clinic, tells Health. “Flu is carried in air droplets, so a mask would mechanically prevent the flu virus from reaching other people.” It would work both ways, says Dr. Mossad, preventing transmission of the flu virus to others and for keeping a mask-wearer from picking up an infection.

Surgical masks to prevent the flu can be found in major drugstores and online, and yours doesn't need to be fancy to help. “A simple disposable mask is fine, just be sure the packaging notes that it protects against airborne particles,” Susan Besser, MD, a family medicine doctor with Mercy Personal Physicians at Overlea in Baltimore, Maryland tells Health. And splurge for a value-sized pack. “Disposable is best and you should discard your mask after each use,” says Dr. Besser. “If a mask gets wet—and it will by simply breathing into it—the effectiveness of its protective effect is reduced.”"

https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/surgical-mask-flu-prevention

"One study shows that when there's a sick family member in the house, other family members could cut their risk of getting sick by 60% to 80% by using face masks consistently and correctly -- in combination with frequent hand washing and avoiding close contact with the sick person."

https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/features/swine-flu-h1n1-and-face-masks#1

"Donning a face mask — either a surgical mask or a P2/N95 respirator mask (high particulate filter mask) — boosts protection from severe respiratory illnesses such as influenza and SARS, say researchers from the University of New South Wales (UNSW). These masks are not necessarily the same as the dust masks that some people use when cleaning or doing construction work.

In the study, adult mask wearers in the home were four times more likely than non-wearers to be protected against respiratory viruses, including the common cold."

https://www.livescience.com/7661-masks-protect-colds-flu.html

"Not so for the World Health Organization or the Society for Healthcare Epidemiology of America, the Infectious Diseases Society of America, the Association for Professionals in Infection Control and Epidemiology, and the American College of Occupational and Environmental Medicine.

They collectively recommended regular surgical masks except in high risk circumstances, such as during open suctioning of airway secretions and other procedures that could "aerosolize" the H1N1 virus."

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/infectioncontrol/16278"

"According to a study published in the International Journal of Infectious Diseases, families with kids who had flu-like symptoms and used the masks properly were 80% less likely to be diagnosed with the same thing.

Another study looked at 400 people who had the flu found that family members who wore a surgical mask and washed their hands reduced their chance of getting the flu by 70%.

“Individual brands of masks and that sort of thing hasn't been studied, but the few studies that have looked at them do have an effect – in some studies, up to 50 to 80% reduction in transmission,” UW virology expert Alex Greninger said. “They seem to stop large droplets, and I think the other key thing to mention with masks is that it really depends on what you're willing to wear.”

Coronavirus is most commonly spread through the air by coughing or sneezing or though close personal contact, such as touching or shaking hands, according to the Washington State Department of Health.

While masks do seem promising, it's also important to utilize other preventive measures. Make sure you wash your hands often during flu season, especially if you're around others who may be sick. Also, be sure to get your annual flu shot to protect yourself and others from spreading the virus."

https://www.king5.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/surgical-mask-effectiveness/281-9c762e52-c2ec-4dec-b5f3-77ee833fca1e

"At the start of flu season in the last two years, participants were randomly assigned to six weeks of wearing a standard medical procedure mask alone, mask use and hand sanitizer use, or a control group with no intervention. Researchers followed students for incidence of influenza like illness symptoms, defined as cough with at least one other characteristic symptom such as fever, chills or body aches, Monto said.

From the third week on, both the mask only and mask/hand sanitizer interventions showed a significant or nearly significant reduction in the rate of influenza-like illness symptoms in comparison to the control group. The observed reduction in rate of flu-like symptoms remained even after adjusting for gender, race/ethnicity, hand washing practices, sleep quality, and flu vaccination."

https://news.umich.edu/masks-hand-washing-prevent-spread-of-flu-like-symptoms-by-up-to-50-percent/

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #9)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 03:43 AM

15. None of these studies apply to the coronavirus



Masks are going to be counter productive for 3 reasons

1) The flu is transmitted as an aerosol the coronavirus isn't

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/320690

That means that the main path for flu is to breath it in from fine particles that are suspended.

The coronavirus are heavy droplets and the main path is surface to hand transmission. It is true that if someone were to sneeze on you and the droplets went in your mouth you would be exposed. However if someone sneezed on you and your mouth was covered you would still be exposed because your eyes weren't covered. You will note that PPE in hospitals for the coronavirus include not only a mask but a face guard.

2) Because it is transmitted mostly by touching surfaces where the droplets have landed if the mask has received the droplets then it becomes the contaminated surface and for that reason must be discarded after it is used. Hospital protocol calls for the mask to be discarded after each patient but they are using it for each shift section (before lunch etc). In reality the mask should be discarded any time it has to be touched, after taking a drink of water for example

Most people who think masks help have a single mask that they use repeatedly. Because this inevitable results in more hand touching the mouth area to adjust the unfamiliar mask it becomes a greater risk not something that reduces it.

3) Wearing masks actually build a false sense of security. When my wife and I go to the store she takes the items off the shelf with plastic gloves and I watch her to make sure that she doesn't touch herself where she shouldn't, like the face for example.

The flu is an aerosol and the coronavirus,in its natural state is not an aerosol although it can travel through the air to drop on a surface.

https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronavirus/face-masks-hand-washing-coronavirus-protection-20200304.html

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Response to grantcart (Reply #15)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 05:02 AM

19. If the person who sneezes or coughs near you is wearing a mask,

then the mask will prevent the droplets from getting to you. This is MUCH more effective than raising an elbow, because there is no time lag. Many sneezers or coughers don't get enough warning to cover their face in time.

We ALL would benefit if everyone were wearing masks, because people can have covid19 and not feel sick. This time of year, many people have allergic sneezes and coughs. How would they know if they were in the early states of covid19 on top of the allergies?

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #19)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 08:15 PM

48. Exactly. We should all be wearing masks

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Response to grantcart (Reply #15)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 09:03 AM

33. " It is mostly spread via respiratory droplets, the secretions we generate when we sneeze or cough"

"WHO has clarified that COVID-19 doesn't seem to be capable of spreading through the air over distances more than about three feet. "

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/world-health-organisation-clarifies-covid-19-is-not-an-airborne-disease-shares-precautionary-measures/ar-BB11R7hR

When I go out to the stores once a week, it's impossible to maintain a distance of 6 feet with others or even 3 feet because I meet others in the aisles and then there's the cashier.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #33)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 09:10 AM

36. And even if you maintain the distance, if droplets stay in the air, sooner or later you are going to

move to the location of the previous person, and where their droplets are still floating.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #36)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 09:26 AM

38. Yes. Used correctly and in conjunction with proper hand washing,...

masks can be effective.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #33)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 11:01 AM

53. Interesting info coming out today about aerosol transmission

Dr. Dena Grayson
@DrDenaGrayson
·
Outbreak of #COVID19 in a #WA choir suggests that #coronavirus can be *transmitted via microscopic aerosols*, in addition to much larger respiratory droplets from coughs or sneezes.

Of 60 members: 2 died, 3 in hospital,45 tested positive/have symptoms.


@DrDenaGrayson
Friends, all previous guidance was that this enveloped #coronavirus spread via respiratory droplets (secretions from your nose via cough, sneeze, touch).

Aerosols can come through normal talking (singing makes MORE), meaning it spreads MUCH more easily.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #15)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 10:16 AM

49. Now more and more researchers think the coronavirus is transmitted as an aerosol

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Response to C Moon (Original post)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 03:37 AM

12. I read an Op today or yesterday they are now saying when going out, wear the mask.

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Response to LizBeth (Reply #12)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 10:34 AM

51. I've said this since the beginning, I was furious when the

Surgeon General stood up there and said that. I knew better, other countries weren't giving their people that kind of piss poor advice. They should have just said it was due to the shortage and healthcare workers needed them desperately.
They will have to backtrack on that here soon, just like their ridiculous but the flu narrative.

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Response to C Moon (Original post)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 03:40 AM

13. I'm going to try making a couple versions today and include a pocket for

PM 2.5 filters. The filters are readily available and I should have them this week. I have elderly relatives and a spouse that has some serious health issues i hope to protect.

The only decision that I’m trying to make is do I make them tie or use elastic? I don’t think they’d like the ones around the ears so I’m going to make them go around the back of the head. I’ll make them some of each so they have options.

My family is in the Midwest so I can’t try them on, etc. I’ve been ordering their groceries and meals online and I’m finding that is becoming more popular as things worsen so I now have to plan their orders a week out due to booking deliveries are filling up quickly.

I believed that in the beginning no need to wear masks. Now not so much. Take what ever process make you feel safe.

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Response to C Moon (Original post)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 03:45 AM

16. Washing your hands is much more effective and without discipline a mask can be counter productive.



Masks are going to be counter productive for 3 reasons

1) The flu is transmitted as an aerosol the coronavirus isn't

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/320690

That means that the main path for flu is to breath it in from fine particles that are suspended.

The coronavirus are heavy droplets and the main path is surface to hand transmission. It is true that if someone were to sneeze on you and the droplets went in your mouth you would be exposed. However if someone sneezed on you and your mouth was covered you would still be exposed because your eyes weren't covered. You will note that PPE in hospitals for the coronavirus include not only a mask but a face guard.

2) Because it is transmitted mostly by touching surfaces where the droplets have landed if the mask has received the droplets then it becomes the contaminated surface and for that reason must be discarded after it is used. Hospital protocol calls for the mask to be discarded after each patient but they are using it for each shift section (before lunch etc). In reality the mask should be discarded any time it has to be touched, after taking a drink of water for example

Most people who think masks help have a single mask that they use repeatedly. Because this inevitable results in more hand touching the mouth area to adjust the unfamiliar mask it becomes a greater risk not something that reduces it.

3) Wearing masks actually build a false sense of security. When my wife and I go to the store she takes the items off the shelf with plastic gloves and I watch her to make sure that she doesn't touch herself where she shouldn't, like the face for example.

The flu is an aerosol and the coronavirus,in its natural state is not an aerosol although it can travel through the air to drop on a surface.

https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronavirus/face-masks-hand-washing-coronavirus-protection-20200304.html

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Response to grantcart (Reply #16)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 04:10 AM

17. I dont see anything about "coronavirus are heavy droplets" in the articles you linked.

In fact in the second article it says this..

But based on what scientists know about the new coronavirus, its particles are small and could easily get around a surgical face mask, he said.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #16)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 07:54 AM

30. New study: COVID-19 virus CAN remain in the AIR...

Up to 3 hours.

https://hub.jhu.edu/2020/03/20/sars-cov-2-survive-on-surfaces/
According to a recent study published in the New England Journal of Medicine, SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, can live in the air and on surfaces between several hours and several days. The study found that the virus is viable for up to 72 hours on plastics, 48 hours on stainless steel, 24 hours on cardboard, and 4 hours on copper. It is also detectable in the air for three hours.


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Response to C Moon (Original post)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 04:36 AM

18. I'm having a terrible time keeping my hands off my face

I didn't realize I touched it so much until I tried to stop. I think wearing a mask if it did nothing else would remind me not to touch my face.

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Response to C Moon (Original post)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 05:27 AM

20. I read an article about this and posted it here.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/opinion/coronavirus-face-masks.html
"Why Telling People They Don’t Need Masks Backfired"

*I have only gone out about 3 times in over 3 weeks and I wore gloves and a mask each time. I have not seen anyone else wear either though. I recycle them. I figure that if I use them once every month the virus (if any has contaminated them) will have died by then. I have a few masks and a few pairs of the gloves (I save stuff).

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Response to C Moon (Original post)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 05:40 AM

21. Is there a link to the 1918 suggestion to wear a mask?

I’ve done a lot of research on that flu pandemic, but missed that.

This is interesting.

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Response to C Moon (Original post)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 06:47 AM

22. All the Asian countries that have nearly flattened their curve have most of the population wearing

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masks when out in public. I know that's not the only reason for their success, but anything that cuts down on the amount of cough and sneeze droplets emitted is a plus. It doesn't have to be perfect to be an improvement.

I'll take the practices and recommendations of countries that have greatly reduced their rate of rise over some message board rando regurgitating some garbage scraped off the Internet any day. I don't doubt that one can find on the Internet all kinds of excuses for not wearing masks, and why them thar Asiatics are a bunch of delusional ignoramuses.

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Response to progree (Reply #22)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 07:04 AM

24. Didn't Most Of The Flat Countries...

...institute strict & enforceable stay at home orders? If so, how do we assign cause to effect?

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #24)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 07:13 AM

25. I said that mask-wearing wasn't the only factor. But I tend to trust them and common sense

more than the recommendations and practices of countries that are far less successful in bending the curve.

I read that China tried home self-quarantine at first but that didn't work. They found a high rate of infection among household members of a quarantined person. So they quarantined them in whatever makeshift shelters they could come up with and strictly kept them away from family members (and other non-infected people, except for trained people covered head to toe in protective covering). That may be by far the biggest factor in my mind.

I haven't heard of similar details from the other Asian countries on the quarantining aspect.

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Response to progree (Reply #25)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 07:29 AM

29. I Get That

I'm not as sure as you that the masks are that useful unless, of course, on is doing something like mass transit, or a job that requires mass interaction with people they wouldn't know. (Grocery store cashier, for instance.)
For people like my wife & me, we're interacting so little outside the house, & strictly following the 6' thing, I think it best to leave the masks for people who absolutely need them.

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #29)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 07:56 AM

32. I don't think the people who absolutely need them are interested in my home-made mask.

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Response to progree (Reply #32)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 09:07 AM

34. Fair Enough

Simply wrapping a towel around one's face would seem to be pretty useful, and the towel can be washed.

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Response to progree (Reply #22)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 09:23 AM

37. Yes, it seems common sense that a face mask will help to some degree.

Clearly it depends on the situation, the type of face mask and how the person is using it but in general it has to help. I understand that we dont want people to hoard them but we also shouldnt tell people not to use them when its fairly obvious it helps reduce the spread of the disease.

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Response to progree (Reply #22)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 10:18 AM

50. That's my view: Asian countries are doing fairly well with this and they're 100% masked up

End of story, as far as I'm concerned.

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Response to greenjar_01 (Reply #50)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 10:36 AM

52. Masks work, it's a no brainer

That's why doctors wear them. Nothing is foolproof. Trying to convince people they aren't effective is a post hoc rationalization for failure to prepare for the epidemic.

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Response to C Moon (Original post)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 07:17 AM

26. I found this graph in a tweet in another post:

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Response to kentuck (Reply #26)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 07:26 AM

28. I found a great trick on DU for embedding Twitter graphics (any url with .twimg.com in it)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUOxSqVXQAEN4pB?format=jpg&name=small

1. Get rid of the question mark and everything after it:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUOxSqVXQAEN4pB

2. and then append the jpg in the format statement after it (preceded by a period).

v-I put xxxx in front of this to keep it from displaying the graph
xxxxttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUOxSqVXQAEN4pB.jpg

but here it is with the proper https: beginning

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Response to progree (Reply #28)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 07:55 AM

31. Thanks for that tip!

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Response to progree (Reply #28)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 09:48 AM

42. Thats pretty convincing although it doesnt prove cause and effect.

But sure gives a good argument for using them.

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Response to C Moon (Original post)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 07:21 AM

27. where is taiwan on that map?

anyrate, taiwan have a national mask team that was form quickly and they sourced and put together machines in a few weeks to start producing masks . there is no shortage now since it was rationed, and tied to your national health card.

you can buy the cheapest masks in the world in taiwan.

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3883778

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Response to catsudon (Reply #27)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 09:34 AM

40. I think Taiwan isnt even on the graph since they were able to control it upfront.

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Response to C Moon (Original post)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 10:13 AM

44. Of course a mask helps.

If anyone says otherwise, they are not being truthful. That’s why nurses and doctors wear them. I think we’d see a big difference in spread if we all had access to masks. Living through SARS in Hong Kong, we all wore masks. Once allowed to return to school,
My kids took their temps each morning and wore a mask to school. Look at the Czech Republic. They’ve flattened the curve because they’ve made masks compulsory. We’ve just been told it doesn’t help because we have a shortage. It’s too late for us now, as our medical workers need them most. When this is all over, everyone should have them in their first aid kit.

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Response to C Moon (Original post)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 10:21 AM

45. My personal theory on the mask mixed message

Initial phase, where we are now. Message that masks do not help. They probably help a little, but if someone coughs next to you on a bus, in a bar, without a mask on, anything short of an N95 will be of limited use. Message is needed to prevent people thinking that wearing a 'mask' protects them, and they carry on with contact (possible infection events) as before.

Also, the medical community has a greater need for any available masks at this point.

Management phase, six? eight? twelve? weeks from now. Message that masks need to be worn, by everyone, when six foot rule cannot be maintained. Masks are most effective for limiting the spread (throw) of a cough. Ergo why current recommendations are to wear a mask if you are showing infection and have to go out. If everyone is wearing masks, it has to help. Not enough for the phase we are in now, but for the management phase, it will help.

Which is why the management phase cannot commence until the following three tools are available in adequate quantity: 1) masks, 2) testing (Korea model), 3) the 'public health corps' to pursue contract tracing, screening, and facilitation of testing (Korea model).

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Response to Strelnikov_ (Reply #45)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 11:11 AM

54. The only thing that complete protects someone is total isolation

Everything else, social distancing, disinfecting high touch items, wearing of masks, properly washing hands, disinfecting all items brought into the home and such reduce the chances of of being infected but do not offer 100% protection. If one does all the preceding, the chances of being infected are much lower then if one does only a few of the measures.

Wearing of a mask is just on tool in the tool box.

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Response to Strelnikov_ (Reply #45)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 12:09 PM

55. Great points. Thanks.

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Response to C Moon (Original post)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 12:18 PM

56. They are already starting to recommend it...we had some masks leftover from a mold removal project.

and suits and gloves as well...we have a respirator mask...I have worn one the entire time...if medical people wear one to prevent infection, it doesn't make sense that it wouldn't protect me.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #56)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 12:19 PM

57. True.

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