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Thu Mar 26, 2020, 07:29 PM

This is all the "civility" I can manage: someone tell me again why "Doctor" Birx is

entitled to any respect!

I have just listened to her explain the proposal to evaluate EVERY DAMN COUNTY IN EVERY STATE IN THE COUNTRY and designate each either low, medium or high risk for Corona virus with DIFFERENT LEVELS OF "SOCIAL DISTANCING" for each different county! And, this is so "some" of the country can return to work by Easter! What in hell could go wrong? This would be a lengthy and near impossible task for a competent administration and this one is run by a man who can't find his ass with either hand who wants it done before Easter!

And, this is what now passes for intelligence? This is a "respected physician"?

This proposal is nothing more than a transparent fig leaf to cover for Trump's INSANE insistence on "getting back to work" by Easter. Those proposing it are shameless whores and those who defend it are idiots!

Everything---and everyone---Trump touches turns to shit.

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Reply This is all the "civility" I can manage: someone tell me again why "Doctor" Birx is (Original post)
Atticus Mar 26 OP
roamer65 Mar 26 #1
scarletlib Mar 26 #4
calimary Mar 26 #28
subana Mar 27 #113
Talitha Mar 26 #43
FailureToCommunicate Mar 26 #46
roamer65 Mar 26 #47
Hearthrob Mar 26 #52
calimary Mar 27 #80
Lord Ludd Mar 26 #54
bubbazero Mar 26 #62
niyad Mar 26 #66
customerserviceguy Mar 26 #68
Lord Ludd Mar 26 #72
Zambero Mar 27 #108
Lord Ludd Mar 27 #117
Peregrine Took Mar 27 #102
Celerity Monday #124
GoneOffShore Monday #128
Generic Other Monday #129
dewsgirl Mar 26 #2
calimary Mar 26 #39
dewsgirl Mar 26 #41
Hermit-The-Prog Mar 26 #44
tblue37 Mar 26 #57
crickets Mar 26 #59
DeeDeeNY Mar 26 #63
not_the_one Mar 27 #74
niyad Mar 26 #71
I_UndergroundPanther Mar 27 #76
Harker Mar 27 #101
milestogo Mar 26 #45
calimary Mar 27 #78
True Blue American Monday #130
calimary Monday #131
True Blue American Monday #132
MontanaMama Mar 26 #3
pansypoo53219 Mar 28 #120
Journeyman Mar 26 #5
uponit7771 Mar 26 #21
pat_k Mar 26 #24
uponit7771 Mar 26 #26
ahoysrcsm Mar 27 #79
pat_k Mar 27 #84
uponit7771 Mar 27 #88
MasonDreams Mar 26 #6
brewens Mar 26 #7
SergeStorms Mar 26 #35
Corgigal Mar 26 #8
msongs Mar 26 #9
CaptYossarian Mar 26 #13
Progressive Law Mar 26 #10
sarge43 Mar 26 #42
PufPuf23 Mar 26 #11
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cornball 24 Mar 26 #16
mercuryblues Mar 26 #17
plcdude Mar 26 #18
CanonRay Mar 26 #19
flibbitygiblets Mar 26 #32
uponit7771 Mar 26 #20
maxrandb Mar 26 #22
happy feet Mar 27 #95
pat_k Mar 26 #23
LAS14 Mar 26 #33
pat_k Mar 26 #55
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pat_k Mar 27 #86
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littlemissmartypants Mar 26 #56
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Atticus Mar 26 #29
deurbano Mar 26 #48
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LAS14 Mar 26 #34
Atticus Mar 26 #37
Lulu KC Mar 26 #67
uponit7771 Mar 26 #69
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Ferrets are Cool Mar 26 #38
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Proud Liberal Dem Mar 26 #50
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Atticus Mar 27 #89
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Atticus Mar 27 #91
Lulu KC Mar 27 #92
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Atticus Monday #125
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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 07:30 PM

1. COVID-45.

The fucker is like a virus.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 07:32 PM

4. 😃🤒

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 08:42 PM

28. EXCELLENT! COVID-45!

SUPERB, roamer65!

And he's sure earned it.

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Response to calimary (Reply #28)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 05:06 PM

113. that's good!! n/t

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:09 PM

43. I just started reading this thread - but IMO you've already won it with 'COVID-45'.

Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant!

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:14 PM

46. "Covid-45" !! Thus it is written. Thus it shall be henceforth.

(Also super DUzy award!)

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:15 PM

47. The fucker isn't like a 🦠.

The fucker IS a 🦠.

Worse than MERS.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:29 PM

52. I like COVFEFE 19

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Response to Hearthrob (Reply #52)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 01:19 AM

80. Welcome to DU, Hearthrob!

I like that one, too!

Covfefe 19!



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Response to roamer65 (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:32 PM

54. COVID stands for

Corrupt
Obnoxious
Vindictive
Incompetent
Demented

Just what came to me immediately. Anyone care to play?

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Response to Lord Ludd (Reply #54)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 10:01 PM

62. your's is better, but

c.......crude; o......obese; v......vindictive; I.....insane; D........DINKY

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Response to Lord Ludd (Reply #54)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 10:32 PM

66. How about:

criminal
Obtuse
Venal (or Vicious
Indolent
Devious

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Response to Lord Ludd (Reply #54)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 10:39 PM

68. I think you nailed it. n/t

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Response to Lord Ludd (Reply #54)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 10:55 PM

72. Excellent responses!

Once more, on a single theme:

Corpulent
Obese
Voracious
Insatiable
Dumpy Trumpy

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Response to Lord Ludd (Reply #54)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 04:25 PM

108. In reference to Trump's severe case of Obama Derangement Syndrome:

Change
Obama's
Victories
Into
Defeats

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Response to Zambero (Reply #108)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 09:04 PM

117. Inventive! nt

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 02:42 PM

102. Good one! n/t

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 01:47 AM

124. ...

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 09:52 AM

128. Trumpvirus

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 09:54 AM

129. I am OK with that

Short and pointed.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 07:30 PM

2. Baghdad Birx.

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Response to dewsgirl (Reply #2)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:05 PM

39. OMG! Baghdad Birx!

This is a SPECTACULAR mental game to play to keep one's mind nimble while we're all shut in.

Look at how creative people can get with this incredible/special/fantastic/amazing/(did I forget)incredible/we'll-see-what-happens/this-I-can-tell-you FRAUD providing us with all this creative inspiration for satire!

People here have come up with some GREATS. I decided to start a new collection!

More New Names for The Donald (from DUer):

Fatnixon

That orange thing

The orangefuck

Pestilence-in-Chief

Donald Clusterfck Trump

The Fat Bastard

The orange mushroom - DesertRat

sprinkleeninow (9,005 posts)
19. You correct on that. Orangeous had better sign it.

MORONavirus spreading on live TV. The Mad King

TrumpleThinSkin

Covidiot in Chief

COVID-45.

Baghdad Birx.

Fuckwit Von Munchausen – Rick Wilson

Opportunistic infections on two legs and wearing business suits.

joshdawg (1,867 posts)
4. Just more bullshit from the pile of festering fecal matter.
FLUSH THE TURD
NOVEMBER THIRD

and from Daily Kos:
Geezerette Joined in 2017
Community (Daily Kos)
Mojo
Mar 21, 2020 at 01:28:59 PM
His babysitters won’t let him see it — he will have a trumper tantrum.

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Response to calimary (Reply #39)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:08 PM

41. Honored to make it onto your list.

Cheeto Jesus is one I've seen here, I've always liked it.

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Response to calimary (Reply #39)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:11 PM

44. Grotesque Orange Pustule -- disease and symptom all in one

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Response to calimary (Reply #39)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:34 PM

57. Needy Amin is my favorite, but I also like Twenty Amin. nt

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Response to calimary (Reply #39)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:40 PM

59. Nice collection! Needy Amin is a fave of mine. nt

(Drat, too slow.)

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Response to calimary (Reply #39)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 10:01 PM

63. A few more good ones

Orange Foolius is good. And someone called him Two Scoops, because his staff is instructed to give guests only one scoop of ice cream but he gets two.

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Response to DeeDeeNY (Reply #63)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 12:07 AM

74. I think the formal title is "Donny Two Scoops"...

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Response to calimary (Reply #39)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 10:46 PM

71. Lumpy. Von fatbergen (a word roughly meaning greasy slime in drain)h

Courtesy of a friend

A few of mine:
Bloviating bigot


Cretinous coward

Puerile pervert

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Response to calimary (Reply #39)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 12:20 AM

76. Orangeutang

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Response to calimary (Reply #39)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 02:36 PM

101. Fuckwit von Munchausen is a new one on me.

I call him Trumpsky in recognition of his undeniable Russian origins, lest they be forgotten.

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Response to dewsgirl (Reply #2)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:13 PM

45. Benghazi Birx.

Make her testify for 12 hours at a time.

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Response to milestogo (Reply #45)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 01:14 AM

78. Coronavirus Barbie.

I saw somewhere - a story about how what she's wearing every day has attracted attention.

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Response to calimary (Reply #78)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 02:05 PM

130. Yes!

One asked about the tablecloth draped around Doctor Birx shoulders

Many women wear scarves for a reason. As one elderly comedian said she is afraid to go out before Thanksgiving!

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Response to True Blue American (Reply #130)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 03:33 PM

131. OMG!!!

Yes. We do. This one does, sometimes. Or I used to, sometimes, when I was working.
Nice way to dress up an outfit.
Handy way to distract if your wardrobe is limited.
Warmth.
Because you like it.
Color is flattering.
Someone you love or care about gave it to you.
It represents a special event or moment or gathering or organization.
You like wearing silky, flow-y fabric. Feels nice against the skin.
Drapery can be strategic
- concealing a "flaw" and redirecting the eye elsewhere.
- concealing a "crepey neck."
- long narrow scarves guide the eye vertically, not horizontally (for those of us who are weight-conscious).


Dr. Birx does seem to like her scarves. She accessorizes just about every outfit she's worn. Just something I've noticed.


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Response to calimary (Reply #131)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 05:42 PM

132. Scarves can really

Make an outfit. I remember the lovely clips that would hold Nam in place. Probably have a few in my Jewelry chest.

Like you I preferred the long silky ones.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 07:31 PM

3. She's blown any credibility she had.

She’s officially a shill for the King Covid.

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Response to MontanaMama (Reply #3)

Sat Mar 28, 2020, 08:30 PM

120. to keep her important job, she must pander to the PETTY stupid BABY.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 07:34 PM

5. If we're designating counties by levels of risk, it should only be done to provide a guideline . . .

for the order in which needed medical supplies are distributed. Anything else Is just dickery, intended to distract from the necessary focus of the day.

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Response to Journeyman (Reply #5)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 07:50 PM

21. It should be empirical data driven by testing. If testing is the bases of the decision then its good

... logic, if not then the nation is screwed

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #21)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 08:26 PM

24. All but 5 states have tested less than 20 per 10,000

The highest number tested is WA at 60 per 10,000 (more in this post)

I can't imagine how testing this limited could inform much of anything about the distribution within counties in a state. In addition, I think it is almost guaranteed that testing per capita varies widely across counties, and that even the criteria for testing varies, making a valid comparison just about impossible.

Magical thinking. Just llike DT. After all the colossal failures that blocked testing efforts, she thinks states will magically have nice, comparable, testing data.

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Response to pat_k (Reply #24)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 08:34 PM

26. Are you the person who's doing the math projections? What is your estimate of length of time for

... our shelter in place if there's 100% compliance with shelter in place?

thx in advance

Oh, I agree with your statement also ... I'm praying Fauci and Brix are telling Truimp to get the testing campaign ramped up so he can be a hero.

He's not, he's an asshole

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #26)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 01:18 AM

79. Two months minimum, if we shut EVERYTHING down. Letting the virus run it's course...

with no re-infections.

8-10 months IF EVERYONE BUT first responders were to be in "lockdown" (police, fire, medical, military) this includes support staff in lockdown as well.

16-20 months if we continue with the current social distancing, unemployment/employment, local government shutdown, minimum workforce, etc.

I'm seeing a pattern here, anywho, I just pulled these numbers out of my butt, no way to know for certain, but 300 Million dead worldwide wouldn't be out of the possibilities. 18 months and counting to a viable vaccine, another 2-4 months to distribute, if the vaccine is manufactured before deemed viable.

22-24 months... damn... I would not want to be president right now.

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #26)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 02:44 AM

84. I'm not doing projections -- I'm just tracking as testing ramps up in different states.

As far as "estimate of length of time for our shelter in place if there's 100% compliance" I'll take a shot at a thought experiment for a "best case" scenario.

In Iceland, they tested 5000 asymptomatic people and got 48 positives -- about 1%. If we assumed that, right now, 1% of Americans are infected, that would be 3.3 million cases in the US right now. Let's assume all those cases are at some point in a roughly 3 week cycle (from incubating to symptomatic to recovery or death).

The latest estimate for mortality rate I've seen is 1.5%. If 1.5% of the 3.3 million died, that's about 50,000 deaths over the next two or three weeks. If, somehow, there was zero spread from the 3.3 million to anyone else, that would be it. Of course, that's impossible. However, if a significant proportion of those people don't infect anyone else because of all the precautions, the "next wave" would be smaller. If a significant proportion of that second wave didn't infect anyone else because of precautions, the third wave is smaller, and the fourth wave smaller yet.

Throughout the four cycles (12 weeks or so) we can assume the number of tests per day would continue to increase and systems of reporting would be much improved. We can also assume we'll have a test for antibodies at some point (a way to identify people who are immune who can safely stop "sheltering" ). With far more widespread testing, we would have a far better idea of incidence by region/metro area. I think with those things in place, and a reduced number of infected people, things could perhaps start getting back to normal in many regions, with more targeted containment efforts to keep the virus from spreading out of control. And who knows, at some point we might even have a "rapid home test" people could take at home before going out to work, or where ever. That would be a game changer.

This little thought experiment is undoubtedly very unrealistic, but I thought I'd give it a shot. Tragically, even with this "best case" scenario for getting it under control, the death toll would be awful -- at least 100,000 over the 12 weeks, with continued losses, depending on how long until the end of the downward side of the curve.

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Response to pat_k (Reply #84)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 05:31 AM

88. Correction, in Italy and in Iceland it's 50% of the people are asymptomatic (link)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.zmescience.com/medicine/iceland-testing-covid-19-0523/amp/

10,000 have been tested so far

Not all the results from Iceland’s tests have come through yet, but the ones that have, show that half of all cases are asymptomatic (at the time of testing).


. ... and

These results are also indicated by a testing survey carried on an entire Italian town of Vo (population 3,300), where the results showed that more than 50% of all cases are asymptomatic.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 07:35 PM

6. The Virus in Chief has infected another Doctor

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 07:37 PM

7. I think they are just going out there to drive the market back up any way they can. People

that have been tipped of on what's coming can make a big score before it all comes down again.

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Response to brewens (Reply #7)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 08:56 PM

35. And it will.

There was nothing to justify the stock prices before COVID-19 except stock buy-backs from Trump's give-away to the wealthy and the corporations. There's nothing to justify the increase of stock prices now. The "methods" Trump is choosing to handle this crisis are foolhardy and destined to fail. Don't the "geniuses" on Wall Street realize this, or are they going to be satisfied making a few dollars here and there on the daily vagaries of the stock market? Donald isn't too stupid today? BUY! BUY! Donald has his head up his ass again? SELL! SELL! The stock market hasn't followed any rational models since Trump took (and I do mean "took" ) office.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 07:37 PM

8. Contagion

is a science thing.

I hope my democratic governor says, naw.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 07:37 PM

9. its all for show to jack up trump's approval. she'll do anything for money nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #9)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 07:41 PM

13. That's the word on the street anyway.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 07:39 PM

10. Dumb idea as many people reside and work in two different counties.

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Response to Progressive Law (Reply #10)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:09 PM

42. Two different states

Very common here in NH. Many people claim NH as their state of residence (no state income tax), but work in MA or VT.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 07:39 PM

11. "Going back to work by Easter" should never have been considered and

now many have expectations.

Counties and states with low current infection rates are because the virus has not gotten there yet with full force. The proposal would make the virus travel faster and deeper into places with little or no current infection.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 07:41 PM

12. Tell it!

You speak the truth! Anyone who falls for this is a fool. At some point even pretending to please the Great Orange Leader in order to move things along in the background for good reason is also a fool’s errand at this point. Reporters and all news people should be hitting with hard questions and demanding accountability every minute. This is crazy. Never forget this is not normal. This is crazy!!!!

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 07:42 PM

14. It's all to BS his drunk with stupidity base?

I aint Susan Collins with their safety no more, there are literally people dying to come here to replace them.


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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 07:42 PM

15. don calls her 'deborah' now...

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 07:44 PM

16. I cannot believe what insanity she was spewing! She drank the kool-aid.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 07:44 PM

17. Can't you just see it now

Someone in a high risk county goes to a church in a low risk county on Easter Sunday. Bam! 2 weeks later, another hot zone.

But it really doesn't matter if people STILL CAN NOT BE TESTED. Or in my daughter in law's case ---Her father was tested and has to wait 2 weeks for the results in the meantime...everyone he has been in contact with are quarantined and not working. Including my DIL. Who, BTW can't be tested unless her Father is positive. So it will be another week for his results, if P another 2 weeks for hers. My son lost his job today, because of an suspected outbreak where he was working. Those they suspect, their results in 2 weeks...On and fucking on it goes.

trump, the gift that keeps on giving. Some hoax. Oh yeah, I can't be tested unless one of test positive. IOW By the time I am eligible for testing, it will be on an autopsy table.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 07:44 PM

18. All this assumes

We have accurate and sufficient data about each county many maybe most of them have not tested very many people. This is criminally irresponsible.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 07:46 PM

19. There's a lot of "respected physicians" in Congress

and most of them are idiots.

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Response to CanonRay (Reply #19)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 08:50 PM

32. Rand Paul's ears are ringing

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 07:47 PM

20. If the "evaluate" means testing then of course she's right ... if the "evaluate" means taking ...

... a symptomatic testing then she's bat shit crazy and stupid.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 07:59 PM

22. Apparently, she was s Colonel in the Army

My experience with military Officers is that 80-90% of them are right wing fanatics.

She did great work on HIV/AIDS, but at that time, she was working as a medical professional.

She's now serving as political cover for dipshit Donnie.

She may be a medical professional, but my guess is she's way closer to Dipshit Donnie politically.

She's not serving as a doctor, unless it's as a Spin Doctor

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Response to maxrandb (Reply #22)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 12:34 PM

95. This!

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 08:17 PM

23. How does she expect to do that, when all but 5 states have tested less than 20 per 10,000 people???

Number of tests per 10,000

The top 5 states in testing are:

Washington 60

New York 50

Massachusetts 28

Louisiana 24

Minnesota 23

These are the "top" states. They are catching up as well as they can, but I can't imagine these sorts of numbers are sufficient to determine "risk" of the counties in the respective states. These are just averages for the state. Undoubtedly, some counties have done much less testing than others.

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States data could be found for. States not reporting number of tests presumably have also tested fewer than 20 per 10,000

Tennessee 20

Wisconsin 18

New Jersey 17

Connecticut 16

California 16

Colorado 14

Ohio 12

Illinois 11

Florida 11

Iowa 10

Pennsylvania 10

North Carolina 10

Michigan 9

Mississippi 9

Virginia 7

Georgia 6

Indiana 5

Texas 5

Arizona 1.2

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Response to pat_k (Reply #23)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 08:51 PM

33. Where did you get this info? And is per capita information available for confirmed cases?

tia
las

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Response to LAS14 (Reply #33)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:33 PM

55. Sources

I've been tracking WA, NY, CA, and MN. Their numbers are most up to date. As for the numbers for the other states. They are mainly from this VOX article with numbers as of yesterday. (There are a few I was able to update based on today's news.)

I can dig up links if you like, but here's a quick summary of where the WA, NY, CA, and MN numbers are from:

WA data is the Seattle Times coronavirus daily update (firewall open during crisis) also on their DOH site. I take whichever appears newer.

NY is harder to find, but I found an article that reported they've done more than 100,000 tests as of today (pop about 19.5 million).

MN reports it's numbers on their DOH site.

CA is tough to find but based that estimate on a recent article.

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Response to pat_k (Reply #55)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 11:29 PM

73. Thanks. I really wish that either ncov2019.com or 1point3acres.com....

... would add a per capita column to their reports.

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Response to LAS14 (Reply #73)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 03:39 AM

85. Worldmeter - Coronavirus page has cases per million and deaths per million, but no tests per million

If you want per capita cases and deaths for countries, you'll find it the last two columns of the Worldmeter - Coronavirus list of countries.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Click USA link for a breakdown by state.

Unfortunately, the table for the US doesn't include the per capita numbers by state.

Cases per 1M for a some selected countries below -- as of 12:40 PT 3/27.

On the site, you can sort by the column to see full "ranking"

I wish a tests per million column were included to report the figure, if available. This would give something to inform accuracy/inaccuracy of the numbers. I assume we are way down the list due to such limited testing.

Cases per 1 million
...
Switzerland 1,365
Italy 1333
Spain 1236
...
Austria 767
Norway 622
Belgium 538
Germany 524
France 447
Netherlands 434
...
USA 259
...
S.Korea 182
...
UK 172
...
Australia 123
...
China 57

Deaths per million

Italy 136
Spain 93
...
USA 4
Once again, likely a consequence of limited testing and/or "broken" reporting systems. While tests were incredibly limited, admissions with COVID-19-like symptoms were treated as if they were COVID-19 positive with status never confirmed after death, so they weren't counted as COVID-19 deaths. In addition, many states have very "broken" reporting systems, so cases have gone unreported. (According to one quote CA system is still "100% broken" )

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Response to LAS14 (Reply #73)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 04:47 AM

86. Found a good site for testing numbers: covidtracking.com/

https://covidtracking.com/data/

It's a project spearheaded by the Atlantic.

It provides great testing numbers -- positive, negative, pending, along with hospitalized, and deaths. It grades the quality of the data, which is wonderful.

It also provides links to numbers over time so you can see the changes, as well as links to best sources of information for each state.

And you can download as spreadsheet, so you can easily add data, like pop, and calculations.

I wish I had discovered this site sooner!

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Response to pat_k (Reply #86)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 10:25 AM

93. Thanks! I saw a number over 20,000 for Massachusetts, and....

... thought Oh no!!!. But then I scrolled up to see the column headings and it was negative tests. I did hear somewhere that Massachusetts is one of the leaders in testing.

Question: I can't figure out where the TOTAL figure comes from for a state. Can you?

tia
las

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Response to LAS14 (Reply #93)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 02:36 PM

100. I think totals tests is just positives + negatives.

When there is a "pending" number, it's not included in total.

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Response to pat_k (Reply #23)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:34 PM

56. North Carolina has tested 12,910 people.

The data source is the NCDHHS.

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Response to littlemissmartypants (Reply #56)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:40 PM

58. Thanks! So they are at about 12.5 per 10,000 based on pop of 10.4 mil

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Response to pat_k (Reply #58)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 01:31 AM

82. Closer to 10.6 and projected to possibly go over that at the time of the 2020 census. nt

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 08:33 PM

25. i believe this is the same fool that told us that millennials were going to teach boomers how to

be socially distant, because the millennials were excellent at it.

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Response to dawn5651 (Reply #25)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 01:25 AM

81. haha

Apparently, my constant hand washing, cleaning my work space, refusal to shake hands (one coworker needed multiple hand shakes throughout the day,) and "social distancing" (approx one meter) has become the new normal.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 08:39 PM

27. shes minnie pearl...

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Response to samnsara (Reply #27)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 08:45 PM

29. Please---I met Minnie and she was an intelligent and gracious lady. nt

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Response to Atticus (Reply #29)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:21 PM

48. She was amazing.

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Thu Mar 26, 2020, 08:45 PM

30. I wasn't aware that people couldn't move from county to county.

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Thu Mar 26, 2020, 08:46 PM

31. A shiller for the killer. She is insane.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 08:53 PM

34. Dr. Fauci has been pushing for lots and lots of testing so that...

... we can find places where "containment" would still work. If Dr. Birx wrapped "getting back to work" into her response I'm sure it was to keep DT pacified so that people like her and Fauci can do their jobs. Give her a break!

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Response to LAS14 (Reply #34)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 08:58 PM

37. I am all out of fucks to give about her efforts to "keep DT pacified". nt

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Response to LAS14 (Reply #34)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 10:32 PM

67. +1

But it seems a dam has broken. She's toast on DU. I'll get my info about her elsewhere.

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Response to LAS14 (Reply #34)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 10:40 PM

69. I'm thinking this is where her and Dr Fauci are going with their responses. They're aiming at testin

... testing so we can get some hard data cause Red Don is a nut case.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 08:57 PM

36. Red counties lower pop density magically to be freer, til it breaks out in every last one of them.nt

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:00 PM

38. Stupid, idiotic idea. nt

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:07 PM

40. I started discounting her when she praised Trump early on.

I want experts who tell the truth instead of talking around subjects and flattering Trump’s massive, irrational ego.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:22 PM

49. She and others also piss me off for claiming the numbers aren't correct

because we don't know how many people are asymptomatic.

I want someone to ask Birx what happens when someone with covid-45 dies and wasn't tested, do they do a test on a dead person? I don't think so, they just bury them. IMO a lot of people died from covid-45 that never got reported.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #49)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:24 PM

50. Was it just me

Or did she just downplay the situation on the ground?

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #49)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 10:41 PM

70. +1

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #49)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 12:20 AM

77. I think that what she is saying is that

our numbers are way too LOW, because we have zero count of asymptomatic. For instance, no one without a fever has been eligible for testing. Results from other countries are showing that not everyone has a fever. She is not making a decision without the data--that is smart, and it is transparent. She knows that numbers don't lie.

I believe that people are tested if they die. For instance, the first case near us was a man having a cardiac incident. They tested him, the cause of his death was COVID-19, even though the presenting event was the heart problem.

Now--an interesting report came through from Italy today about people who are dying of other causes because they were unable to be treated in facilities that were using all staff and resources for COVID-19 patients. The question is asked, "Are these actually deaths caused by COVID-19?" Again, the importance of data.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:28 PM

51. He has no authority....

It is a state matter. Period. End of story. If Gov. Cuomo in NY, Gov Scott an VT, Gov. Sumunu in NH, Gov. Newsom in CA et al. say no, it ain't gonna fucking happen.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:32 PM

53. Keeping the mad king humored, while advocating for extensive testing?

Honestly, who knows these days.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:41 PM

60. Dr Birx lost a lot of respect at today's presser. Very disappointed in her. nt

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:42 PM

61. Without testing everyone she's a fraud, imo

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 10:11 PM

64. I have felt this way from the start.

Ever since she appeared as a charter member of the nod squad, enthusiastically nodding support for every inane thing he uttered. Why she came with such glowing praise is beyond me.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 10:19 PM

65. Dr. Fauci,

Sanjay Gupta, and Bill Gates were on CNN's global town hall with Anderson Cooper tonight and they were terrific.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 12:15 AM

75. First question: Where did you hear her explain this?

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Based on your post, I forced myself to watch her part of today's press conference. (also part of Pence and all of Dr. Fauci.)

She discussed counties where the virus is concentrated and using contact tracing and surveillance to track transmission to other counties. She is fully aware of travel between counties. She also responded to a question on the topic from a reporter, about highly responsible behavior between counties. This has been true in my state--other counties with zero incidence have instituted quarantines for those who've visited mine, which has the highest rate in the state. This is the same recommended/requested two week quarantine for anyone who's traveled internationally. This is cautious, preventative, and makes perfect sense.

She also focused on asymptomatic cases. We haven't had adequate testing of symptomatic cases, but we've had zero testing of asymptomatic cases. Until we have data, our analysis is weak. She makes a good point on this. I hear her saying that she thinks there are MORE, not FEWER cases than we think. (This would decrease the proportion of cases/deaths.)

Pence said that the "president's" desire to open up the country will be made based on data. She is slowing him down from acting without it.

Dr. Fauci has also explained (in his interview with Science published over the weekend) how the task force meets and goes over what they're going to say before the event. I trust him to politely disagree with her if she started pulling us off in the wild and crazy direction of the so-called-president.

Second question for you: What else are you thinking she could do?

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Response to Lulu KC (Reply #75)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 08:03 AM

89. It is your right to defend her. My OP clearly stated my opinion of those who do. nt

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Response to Atticus (Reply #89)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 09:31 AM

90. I'm asking serious questions of you

This isn't about defending HER, it's about information.

1. Where did you hear her say this about the counties?
2. What do you want her to do instead?

I am not challenging your opinion--I just want to know where you're hearing her say what you mentioned. It wasn't in the press conference, so where was it?

Based on what I have read, I don't think we'll be out of this for 18 months. There is no way that we can return to "normal" by Easter. If anything, we might have partial restrictions lifted by late June or July, where we get to go do more than we are now, but we will be sent back home about a month later as the virus recirculates. This cycle will happen repeatedly until we can test antibodies and vaccinate.

Based on what I've heard her say, she's driven by data like an actual scientist. If she is, and if she has influence, we won't be anywhere close to unlocked by Easter. The states and local jurisdictions won't let it happen, even if DT would. Now, will he listen to her or anyone else with common sense? Unlikely.

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Response to Lulu KC (Reply #90)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 09:43 AM

91. 1.) On TV yesterday; 2.) Stop excusing Trump's insanity. nt

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Response to Atticus (Reply #91)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 09:53 AM

92. What?

An innocent and professional person sometimes wanders on to his playground and does their best to protect us from the bully. They come, they go. We wait to see how long they last. Dr. Fauci seems like one, I am not sure about Dr. Birx but am paying close attention.

I am certainly not defending Trump's sanity. There is none to defend. Nor am I defending his intellect. None to defend. He is a dangerous criminal fascist tyrant. This is only his latest example.

You seem really angry. I'm angry too. You don't have to take it out on a fellow DUer who asks you a question. It's mean, it's bullying. Bye-bye.

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Response to Lulu KC (Reply #92)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 12:47 PM

97. ---sigh---one more try----you asked two numbered questions; I gave you two

numbered answers. #2 OBVIOUSLY is directed at "Deborah", NOT you. You are not defending Trump.

You are defending the woman who defends him daily.

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Response to Atticus (Reply #97)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 01:37 AM

123. Oh, all right

It's a dead horse I'll stop beating. The next day she said that stupid thing about his great grasp of science. That was just too much.

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Response to Lulu KC (Reply #123)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 07:58 AM

125. Seriously---thank you. nt

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Response to Atticus (Reply #125)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 09:50 AM

127. You're welcome

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 01:31 AM

83. I have 0 respect for her

She seems like a nazi- step ford wife to me, and she is up there to pump up dumps crazy bs. Look at her expression, each time I have seen her it makes me ill. Last time we switched the channel and this time I turned the sound off and forgot it was even on, lol. My father slept through it all. Remember, just because someone is a "respected" doctor... that means absolutely nothing. What they do and say and what they really understand is what counts. No doctor in their right mind would say it is ok to stop quarantining county by county or at all now imo.

The media needs to stop broadcasting this, immediately, go there and record it for a record, but then only publish a transcript somewhere. Stop facilitating these crooks and insane people to kill more people.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 04:58 AM

87. Realize that everybody on that dais knows they are dealing with a dangerous fool ...

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... whose proud ignorance could cause untold death and misery. It's possible that she's mollifying him by giving lip service to his plan while undermining it by conditioning it on an task that everybody but him knows is impossible.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 12:14 PM

94. It's the Trump taint.

It is 100% infectious to anyone who comes within Trump's sphere of influence.

Among other symptoms, it manifests as inane blather, compulsive boot-licking, abandonment of moral principals, rejection of truth, spinal degeneration, and bold-faced lying.
There is no known cure other than extreme and prolonged distance from the source, and even then the recovery rate is alarmingly low.

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Response to patphil (Reply #94)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 03:19 PM

103. The image you just gave me of Trump's taint

will keep me uncomfortably awake tonight unless I dive deeply into my single-malt stash.

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Response to RVN VET71 (Reply #103)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 04:02 PM

105. I use the same "cure".

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Response to RVN VET71 (Reply #103)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 04:35 PM

111. Johnny Walker "blue" is also an excellent mind-bleach. nt

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Response to Atticus (Reply #111)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 05:59 PM

115. I love the Blue

I remember at my eldest son's wedding a friend bought me and him double shots of Johnny Walker Blue, which we drank. I reciprocated, as a man must, and we both drank -- but not gulpingly. Blue is for savoring.

So after savoring the second double shot, it was again my friends turn to buy. . . and you see where this is going. Fortunately, we both kept our composure, no matter what the lying video seems to say, and as well kept embarrassment to a minimum and celebration to a maximum.

Great wedding. And son and spouse are still happily married after 16 years!

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 12:37 PM

96. She is atrocious even for a token woman.

These nightmarish briefing/rally gizmos will kill us all.

Please chain up the dog. He's ruining everything with his barking and humping.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 01:16 PM

98. The only way to do it would be to conduct a MASSIVE testing program.

Not gonna happen.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 01:33 PM

99. Limited Testing Ignorance on Parade

We don't even have an accurate count of the covid dead. Without massive testing we don't know the extent of the problem.

Huge waste of time instead of mobilizing manufacturing and distribution of needed medical gear.

Another pointless distraction by our jackass in chief.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 03:41 PM

104. Dr. Brix

A footnote in history. RIP

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 04:06 PM

106. It is still up to the governors.

They don't have to comply with this dreck.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 04:16 PM

107. Siskiyou County, CA

I live in Mount Shasta, Siskiyou County, CA.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Siskiyou+County,+CA/@41.4954113,-123.7036955,8z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x54cdd9bd29d530e3:0xb20e697ed415484c!8m2!3d41.7743261!4d-122.5770126

We are on I-5, the interstate highway that runs the entire length of the west coast. We are already being inundated by travelers from congested areas such as the Bay Area who seem to think that our sparse population makes us a perfectly safe destination.

Ours is a very large county with a population of only about 45,000. Some around here have suggested that we should be allowed to live under looser restrictions.

Those of us who are paying attention want nothing to do with looser restrictions, and simply want everyone that travels to pass us by and keep going. We already have one illness at a gas station, which was possibly the result of an infected traveler.

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Fri Mar 27, 2020, 04:26 PM

109. Fat bastard, Right wing dummies who shill,

all determined to sink the US ship of democracy and hope. imo

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 04:31 PM

110. Large counties with fewer people will be designated "low risk."

This will allow Fat Donnie to hold a map of the U.S. and claim that more than 3/4 of the country is at low risk because of him.

This will mirror what he did after the 2016 election, when he kept showing a map which was nearly all red because of large states with smaller populations. What the map actually showed was how much land area he won.



Expect the same scam if his low-medium-high risk policy is put into place.

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Fri Mar 27, 2020, 05:03 PM

112. I'm thinking all blue counties

will be designated high risk!

Even if they are able to designate those districts, they're going to change quickly!! The virus has the ability to move quickly into other areas, are they going to be able to update these counties every day, every hour or every minute?

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 05:07 PM

114. A couple Trumpers in my family said they will refuse

If they don't feel safe and the employer demands they return, they will seek FMLA or whatever they can.

Not everyone can make that decision.

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Fri Mar 27, 2020, 07:07 PM

116. Not just return to work,

pack the churches!!! It defies logic, and I'm with you 100% Atticus!!!

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Sat Mar 28, 2020, 03:02 AM

118. She is part of the cult...and lies just like all of them..

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Sat Mar 28, 2020, 10:45 AM

119. When the low risk counties are identified, infected people will

rush there, thinking treatment resources are more likely to be available.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 06:16 PM

121. Geographically large counties with small populations will have the lowest risk rating.

The result will be a map of the U.S. with large areas of "low risk" color (probably green) and very small areas that are "high risk" (red). Then Trump can hold it up and show all the green area, and claim he has made most of the country low risk.

Imagine this map from the 2016 election, only with green instead of red.



That's what I predict will happen. With Fat Donnie, it's not the truth, it's the show.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 09:00 PM

122. She is twisted. Has no ethics.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 08:05 AM

126. This is a very stupid concept that trump came up with

I feel sorry for this lady in that she has to defend this idiotic concept

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