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Thu Mar 26, 2020, 03:42 PM

Why is the Trump administration outbidding states on medical equipment?





NEW: Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker emotionally rips into the Trump administration for out-bidding states on medical equipment: "I have had confirmed orders for millions of pieces of gear evaporate in front of us, and I can't tell you how frustrating it is." equipment




He told the Governors to handle it and when they do, he swoops in and outbids them. Wtf?

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Reply Why is the Trump administration outbidding states on medical equipment? (Original post)
octoberlib Mar 26 OP
Freethinker65 Mar 26 #1
SunSeeker Mar 26 #24
Eliot Rosewater Mar 26 #32
rickyhall Mar 26 #53
Rebl2 Mar 26 #56
Eliot Rosewater Mar 26 #59
I_UndergroundPanther Mar 26 #2
2naSalit Mar 26 #3
TheBlackAdder Mar 26 #16
2naSalit Mar 26 #63
FarPoint Mar 26 #29
MFM008 Mar 26 #31
MontanaMama Mar 26 #40
leftieNanner Mar 26 #49
2naSalit Mar 26 #64
MontanaMama Mar 26 #65
2naSalit Mar 26 #66
Under The Radar Mar 26 #4
MichMan Mar 26 #55
Under The Radar Mar 26 #57
In_The_Wind Mar 26 #5
TryLogic Mar 26 #36
demigoddess Mar 26 #41
central scrutinizer Mar 26 #6
Hoyt Mar 26 #7
Caliman73 Mar 26 #47
Hoyt Mar 26 #48
calimary Mar 26 #54
Hoyt Mar 26 #68
Cousin Dupree Mar 26 #8
MineralMan Mar 26 #9
TryLogic Mar 26 #37
Newest Reality Mar 26 #51
Brainfodder Mar 26 #10
Proud Liberal Dem Mar 26 #11
Faux pas Mar 26 #12
Phoenix61 Mar 26 #13
EleanorR Mar 26 #14
IcyPeas Mar 26 #15
octoberlib Mar 26 #17
jayfish Mar 26 #18
MFGsunny Mar 26 #21
FiveGoodMen Mar 26 #26
TryLogic Mar 26 #38
subana Mar 26 #19
aeromanKC Mar 26 #20
sinkingfeeling Mar 26 #22
iluvtennis Mar 26 #23
burrowowl Mar 26 #42
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pangaia Mar 26 #33
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TryLogic Mar 26 #39
mjvpi Mar 26 #43
angel823 Mar 26 #44
Botany Mar 26 #45
sarge43 Mar 26 #46
Jarqui Mar 26 #50
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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 03:44 PM

1. To wait for rural red areas and redder states to catch up so he can disperse more to his base?

To make Governors praise Trump and grovel for help.

Trump sees it as a game show like the Apprentice?

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Response to Freethinker65 (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:13 PM

24. Bingo. nt

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Response to Freethinker65 (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:25 PM

32. He wants blue states to suffer and if possible, die. That is a simple fact.

Now I know someone who said this about him years ago...

ME

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #32)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 06:17 PM

53. Absolutely!

Anything to help him win. That's all repugs cares about.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #32)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 06:30 PM

56. I don't know

about that. I live in a red state and they are having trouble getting what they need too.

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Response to Rebl2 (Reply #56)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 06:33 PM

59. Then you must not be telling him enough about how much you love him or your state isnt

or maybe your state doesnt have enough money to pay for them...

He ONLY cares about red states for his numbers and profit, he cares NOTHING about the lives in red states.

Absolutely nothing at all.

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 03:45 PM

2. We need to get rid of the

So called elitists that get off on other people's misery and death.

The republicans are full of these toxic people who should never be trusted.

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 03:47 PM

3. He wants to kill millions of us

so that he will get re-elected... he thinks. I bet certain advisors (Miller, Barr, Pompeo and others) are salivating over the prospect.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #3)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 04:40 PM

16. and/or he wants to drive up profits to the firms that are manufacturing them and selling them.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #16)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 06:43 PM

63. And that.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #3)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:20 PM

29. I believe that you are CORRECT.

Maybe the media will take this to the people...

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #3)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:23 PM

31. Death in blue states

Less democratic votes....

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #3)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:46 PM

40. I think you're correct.

Problem with his faulty logic is that while millions of Americans will die, I believe he will lose more MAGAts than he will the rest of us. No common sense in that crowd.

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Response to MontanaMama (Reply #40)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 06:05 PM

49. I agree with you

The Magats think this whole thing is overblown. When November comes around, there may be fewer of them still alive than there are of us who are actually socially distancing and staying home.

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Response to MontanaMama (Reply #40)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 06:46 PM

64. I also think it is revenge for the impeachment.

Remember that lady who used to work for him, was on teevee during the impeachment, said that he would be seeking revenge on a lot of people. This seems like it would fit his need.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #64)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 06:51 PM

65. No doubt.

Evil prick. Karma is taking her sweet time...

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Response to MontanaMama (Reply #65)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 06:53 PM

66. Perhaps WE are the karma.

Eventually there will be people storming the WH and other locations. All I hope is that someone gets hold of him and whups his ass really good before secret service breaks it up.

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 03:48 PM

4. I would create a state run company to compete directly with the companies

That are allowing that to happen. You can staff it with NY prisoners, let Michael Cohen lead the effort and drive those other companies out of business by making medical supplies for the world, if they don’t fair.
Get Biden on board with that too

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Response to Under The Radar (Reply #4)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 06:28 PM

55. Prisoners ? Really ?

Needs to be union jobs paying $30 per hour with full benefits

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Response to MichMan (Reply #55)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 06:31 PM

57. Try putting that together in one or two weeks. It is a state emergency

And it was a tongue in cheek statement

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 03:49 PM

5. Only one of the reasons is: Because he's vindictive.

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #5)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:36 PM

36. What about Ukraine as a model for his way of functioning??

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #5)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:48 PM

41. i think it is more likely he just has to 'win'.

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 03:52 PM

6. Does he or Jarvanka get to skim off the top?

Follow the money is always the correct analysis with these grifters

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 03:53 PM

7. In any other world, it would probably be best for feds to purchase/allocate items in short supply.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #7)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:58 PM

47. That is how it has functioned in other times.

With normal functioning administrations, the Federal Government purchases in bulk and States order from the Feds. The problem is that this asshole likes to see infighting and thinks that life is a game show where contestants fight it out for prizes.

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Response to Caliman73 (Reply #47)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 06:00 PM

48. What was it he said, "We are not stock clerks," or something like that.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #48)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 06:27 PM

54. "We're not shipping clerks."

We all owe real, legitimate shipping clerks a big apology, and our gratitude. Many of them are getting hired by Amazon to process online purchases.

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Response to calimary (Reply #54)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 08:02 PM

68. Good point. We'd be in a fix without them, grocery deliveries, truck drivers, etc.

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 03:54 PM

8. He won't give them the equipment they need. And then hoards more. What a piece of shit.

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 03:54 PM

9. Trump Wants Control of the Ventilators

That way, he can use them to reward or punish Governors.

That's his style of leadership.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #9)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:38 PM

37. Exactly. His way of dealing with Ukraine is the model.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #9)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 06:13 PM

51. +1

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 03:56 PM

10. Things Terrible People Do for 2,000,000,000 Alex?

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 03:57 PM

11. Holy f**k

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 04:01 PM

12. Because

they are inhumane monsters?!

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 04:09 PM

13. So he and/or his family can make more money. mt

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 04:28 PM

14. By competing with the states, trump is having to spend more taxpayer money to buy supplies

than if he'd worked in cooperation with governors on the issue of equipment purchase and distribution. But of course that would have involved leadership, planning, and intelligence not found in the current admin.

And of course trump is a psychopath who likes to see his perceived enemies suffer and die, so swiping from blue states is on brand.

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 04:38 PM

15. explain this to me like I'm five...

so my understanding is like this is akin to an auction room. so in the room we have 500 ventilators..... the governor bid $50,000, then the trump admin comes along and bids 50,100. then the trump admin gets them?

so where are they then? who has the actual physical items? where are they being held?

please explain (like I'm 5). thank you

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Response to IcyPeas (Reply #15)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 04:41 PM

17. Trump admin has them and can dole them out to whoever he wants.

Just like they sent Florida 100% of the medical supplies De Santis requested and New Jersey got 6% of what they requested.

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 04:42 PM

18. "We're going to send you those ventilators...

but I'd like you to do us a favor first." Ring any bells?

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Response to jayfish (Reply #18)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:08 PM

21. TOTALLY This! n/t

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Response to jayfish (Reply #18)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:18 PM

26. 'Zactly!

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Response to jayfish (Reply #18)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:39 PM

38. Damn right it does.

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 04:59 PM

19. now that is really, really nasty!!!

it's one thing to fail to protect your citizens but to actually bid against those states, I assume with the intent of refusing to assist them further, that is really fucked up!!!

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:04 PM

20. Need to go viral

This needs all the attention it can get!!

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:11 PM

22. What's he doing with the supplies? Sending them to red states?

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:13 PM

23. So appalling the greed of the GOP

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Response to iluvtennis (Reply #23)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:52 PM

42. You nailed it!

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:16 PM

25. He wants all the credit.

If the Governors take control of their states, he doesn't get any bragging rights (he's not going to get any as it is.) But he is still waiting to feel those worshipful kisses on his ample ass.

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:19 PM

27. Maybe Dolt45 wants to rent them out to people who stay in his crappy hotels.

RESIST

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:20 PM

28. Vengeance.

Blue states like Massachusetts did not vote for Trump, so now he gets to punish them. I wonder how he’ll treat a state like Kentucky, a red state that voted for him but now with a Democratic governor.

If FEMA is outbidding states, what are they doing with the equipment? This is not the time to stockpile.

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:21 PM

30. To control the supply

So that he can force governors to grovel to him to get what they need.

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:25 PM

33. Blue states Democrats. Big cities, Democrats.

Kill them off....

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:32 PM

34. It's a Jihad against Democrats

He's playing Jesus for his base, inside deals with Trump will get you salvation, the rest are heathen

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:33 PM

35. GREED!!

self serving bastard. Waiting for him to go down for involuntary manslaughter.

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:41 PM

39. I hope a bunch of Republican Senators pay a heavy price.

They let Trump get away with doing this type of thing with Ukraine.

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:53 PM

43. The fact that there is bidding is just wrong.

How can this not be considered profiteering? When you place an order at an agreed upon price, shouldn’t that constitute a contract? And to have it be the federal government. This encompasses everything that is wrong with capitalism. Our economic system should work for us, we shouldn’t work for our economic system.

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:53 PM

44. Interesting

I am listening to Houston Mayor Turner, and he is describing this very scenario, where the City of Houston had entered into an agreement for PPE at a certain price, and was told this week that the agreement would not be honored.

Houston is blue, a "sanctuary city". Makes you wonder.

Angel in Texasperated

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:55 PM

45. Tell me this is not true

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:57 PM

46. That's easy. He believes he can make money.

With Moron always follow the money.

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 06:07 PM

50. He's using it for leverage

He'll help the states that can help him win his election.

Same thing with the stimulus

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 06:15 PM

52. Everything Trump does is an asshole move.

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 06:32 PM

58. This president needs it for ICE

His priorities are as sadistic as the man, himself.

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 06:34 PM

60. Never forget: the cruelty is the point

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 06:37 PM

61. He's a cult leader, he's forcing state and local officials to praise him in order to get the items

It's a tactic that he used during his Trump University scam, if the victim left a positive review he would give them a secret real estate tip, which turned out to be nothing of value, but in the meantime he had a positive review signed by them, so they couldn't later claim they got ripped off.

Now he is forcing the Mayors and Governors to praise him in order to get the equipment they need to save lives, so if they later claim he's a complete fuckup, he will play the phone conversation of them praising Trump.

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 06:42 PM

62. They'll have to keep it a secret, then. That man is a fucking control freak A1.

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 06:57 PM

67. Good thing our government doesn't decide who gets health care

because that would be socialism

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