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Tue Mar 24, 2020, 09:12 PM

Advise from MD:If you go out into public, wear a mask. A doubled over bandanna. Anything will help.

If you go out into public, wear a mask. A doubled over bandanna. Anything will help. This is how we get out of this quarantine sooner. This is how we move forward. Wash the mask, wash your hands.




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Reply Advise from MD:If you go out into public, wear a mask. A doubled over bandanna. Anything will help. (Original post)
MelissaB Mar 24 OP
marybourg Mar 24 #1
LisaL Mar 24 #3
marybourg Mar 24 #4
StatGirl Mar 24 #5
Kaleva Mar 24 #6
TexasBushwhacker Mar 24 #9
Kaleva Mar 24 #10
Silent3 Mar 24 #16
Kaleva Mar 25 #19
FreeState Mar 24 #2
bloom Mar 24 #7
FreeState Mar 24 #12
Wednesdays Mar 24 #18
pnwmom Mar 24 #8
uppityperson Mar 24 #11
LisaL Mar 24 #13
Kaleva Mar 25 #20
rickford66 Mar 24 #14
KentuckyWoman Mar 24 #15
rickford66 Mar 24 #17
NurseJackie Mar 25 #21

Response to MelissaB (Original post)

Tue Mar 24, 2020, 09:24 PM

1. "both masks reduced the number of microorganisms

EXPELLED by the volunteers.”

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Response to marybourg (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 24, 2020, 09:27 PM

3. Which means if everybody wears a mask, it would decrease the transmission of infection.

Since whatever microorganisms people are expelling, will be at least party contained by the mask. Which means they are less likely to infect other people.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #3)

Tue Mar 24, 2020, 09:30 PM

4. Yes, really what the experts have been saying.The mask doesn't protect you,

but it *can* protect others. I think we should adopt the Asian habit of wearing a mask in public.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #3)

Tue Mar 24, 2020, 09:30 PM

5. Exactly!

It doesn't have to be perfect at the individual level to be quite good at the collective level.

Someone must have modeled this already.

We've started wearing masks at the grocery store, in the hopes of enabling the trend.

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Response to marybourg (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 24, 2020, 09:30 PM

6. They made no attempt to test if masks protected the wearer.

They only tested to see how much microorganisms expelled by the wearer were caught.

Several studies have found that mask are effective in protecting the wearer.



"According to a study published in the International Journal of Infectious Diseases, families with kids who had flu-like symptoms and used the masks properly were 80% less likely to be diagnosed with the same thing.

Another study looked at 400 people who had the flu found that family members who wore a surgical mask and washed their hands reduced their chance of getting the flu by 70%.

“Individual brands of masks and that sort of thing hasn't been studied, but the few studies that have looked at them do have an effect – in some studies, up to 50 to 80% reduction in transmission,” UW virology expert Alex Greninger said. “They seem to stop large droplets, and I think the other key thing to mention with masks is that it really depends on what you're willing to wear.”

Coronavirus is most commonly spread through the air by coughing or sneezing or though close personal contact, such as touching or shaking hands, according to the Washington State Department of Health.

While masks do seem promising, it's also important to utilize other preventive measures. Make sure you wash your hands often during flu season, especially if you're around others who may be sick. Also, be sure to get your annual flu shot to protect yourself and others from spreading the virus."

https://www.king5.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/surgical-mask-effectiveness/281-9c762e52-c2ec-4dec-b5f3-77ee833fca1e

"At the start of flu season in the last two years, participants were randomly assigned to six weeks of wearing a standard medical procedure mask alone, mask use and hand sanitizer use, or a control group with no intervention. Researchers followed students for incidence of influenza like illness symptoms, defined as cough with at least one other characteristic symptom such as fever, chills or body aches, Monto said.

From the third week on, both the mask only and mask/hand sanitizer interventions showed a significant or nearly significant reduction in the rate of influenza-like illness symptoms in comparison to the control group. The observed reduction in rate of flu-like symptoms remained even after adjusting for gender, race/ethnicity, hand washing practices, sleep quality, and flu vaccination."

https://news.umich.edu/masks-hand-washing-prevent-spread-of-flu-like-symptoms-by-up-to-50-percent/

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #6)

Tue Mar 24, 2020, 09:33 PM

9. Well, it does keep you from touching your mouth and nose n/t

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Response to TexasBushwhacker (Reply #9)

Tue Mar 24, 2020, 09:35 PM

10. At a minimum, masks do that.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #10)

Tue Mar 24, 2020, 10:38 PM

16. Not necessarily.

People often touch their faces MORE with a mask, succumbing to a frequent urge to adjust it.

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Response to Silent3 (Reply #16)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 06:38 AM

19. They can serve as a reminder not to touch their face

And because you are aware of it, one knows to wash or sanitize their hands before adjusting the mask.

Without a mask, people touch their face as many as 50 times in an hour.

"Elder said when she worked in Cincinnati, she conducted a study and found that people in medical offices touch their faces anywheres from 5 to 50 times an hour.

She said other studies have found people in other settings, like schools or offices, do it between five to 15 times per hour.

“Sometimes putting something as simple as scotch tape on your finger so that when you touch yourself it feels wrong to kind of help train yourself, or sitting on your hands,” Elder said."

https://www.kgw.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/doctors-say-dont-touch-your-face/283-f260f47d-198b-4e94-b284-9610ac26cb53

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Response to MelissaB (Original post)

Tue Mar 24, 2020, 09:24 PM

2. She's a Psychiatrist

and she tells her followers who disagree to fuck off? Seriously?

#hardpass she is not an expert and COVID-19 is not the flu.

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Response to FreeState (Reply #2)

Tue Mar 24, 2020, 09:32 PM

7. She could be right, regardless. Psychiatrists are medical doctors. n/t

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Response to bloom (Reply #7)

Tue Mar 24, 2020, 09:57 PM

12. A Psychiatrist that attacks people who don't agree with her n/t

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Response to FreeState (Reply #2)

Tue Mar 24, 2020, 11:06 PM

18. If so, then unrec. nt

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Response to MelissaB (Original post)

Tue Mar 24, 2020, 09:32 PM

8. The doctor is right. If everyone wore masks out in public, even bandanas, that would

help protect OTHER people from the coughs and sneezes that can happen. Not everyone gets enough notice of a cough or sneeze to raise their arm and block the droplets.

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Response to MelissaB (Original post)

Tue Mar 24, 2020, 09:50 PM

11. Putting masks on coughing people helps others by blocking coughed droplets

Putting a mask on healthy people doesn't do much.

Home made makes should be considered was last resort, better than nothing, for blocking droplets from being sprayed by coughs.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #11)

Tue Mar 24, 2020, 10:13 PM

13. Since a lot of people are asymptomatic, they don't know if they are sick.

If everybody wore a mask, it would end up protecting everybody.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #11)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 06:57 AM

20. Studies have shown that masks can be effective in protecting the wearer

Several studies have found that mask are effective in protecting the wearer.



"According to a study published in the International Journal of Infectious Diseases, families with kids who had flu-like symptoms and used the masks properly were 80% less likely to be diagnosed with the same thing.

Another study looked at 400 people who had the flu found that family members who wore a surgical mask and washed their hands reduced their chance of getting the flu by 70%.

“Individual brands of masks and that sort of thing hasn't been studied, but the few studies that have looked at them do have an effect – in some studies, up to 50 to 80% reduction in transmission,” UW virology expert Alex Greninger said. “They seem to stop large droplets, and I think the other key thing to mention with masks is that it really depends on what you're willing to wear.”

Coronavirus is most commonly spread through the air by coughing or sneezing or though close personal contact, such as touching or shaking hands, according to the Washington State Department of Health.

While masks do seem promising, it's also important to utilize other preventive measures. Make sure you wash your hands often during flu season, especially if you're around others who may be sick. Also, be sure to get your annual flu shot to protect yourself and others from spreading the virus."

https://www.king5.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/surgical-mask-effectiveness/281-9c762e52-c2ec-4dec-b5f3-77ee833fca1e

"At the start of flu season in the last two years, participants were randomly assigned to six weeks of wearing a standard medical procedure mask alone, mask use and hand sanitizer use, or a control group with no intervention. Researchers followed students for incidence of influenza like illness symptoms, defined as cough with at least one other characteristic symptom such as fever, chills or body aches, Monto said.

From the third week on, both the mask only and mask/hand sanitizer interventions showed a significant or nearly significant reduction in the rate of influenza-like illness symptoms in comparison to the control group. The observed reduction in rate of flu-like symptoms remained even after adjusting for gender, race/ethnicity, hand washing practices, sleep quality, and flu vaccination."

https://news.umich.edu/masks-hand-washing-prevent-spread-of-flu-like-symptoms-by-up-to-50-percent/

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Response to MelissaB (Original post)

Tue Mar 24, 2020, 10:13 PM

14. My last day out I wore a mask. People tend to stay away from you if you do.

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Response to rickford66 (Reply #14)

Tue Mar 24, 2020, 10:35 PM

15. I do for the same reason

They'll quickly back off when they see my mask. They assume I've got the Corona.

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Response to KentuckyWoman (Reply #15)

Tue Mar 24, 2020, 10:50 PM

17. Seeing your user name prompted me to find KW by Deep Purple

Spent many hours back in 70 on Navy watch drinking coffee and trying to stay awake overnight. KW was one of the selections on the state of the art hi tech Akai reel to reel we had. Brings back good and memories. Thanks for the good ones.

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Response to MelissaB (Original post)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 07:08 AM

21. It would also be a constant (and annoying) reminder to the wearer...

It would also be a constant (and annoying) reminder to the wearer that they needed to keep their distance. Stand back. Let groups disperse. Don't crowd. Don't touch your face. Nitrile exam gloves accomplish the same thing... in addition to being a barrier, it's also a visual and tactile reminder to not touch your face, mouth, eyes, nose.

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