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Mon Mar 23, 2020, 10:26 AM

This is a very important question about the virus that must be answered, hopefully soon.

If you are infected, then recover, are you then immune.

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Reply This is a very important question about the virus that must be answered, hopefully soon. (Original post)
shockey80 Mar 23 OP
In_The_Wind Mar 23 #1
marble falls Mar 23 #3
jberryhill Mar 23 #4
marble falls Mar 23 #8
tblue37 Mar 23 #11
jberryhill Mar 23 #14
marble falls Mar 23 #16
woodsprite Mar 23 #15
The Magistrate Mar 23 #5
In_The_Wind Mar 23 #12
treestar Mar 23 #18
The Magistrate Mar 23 #19
In_The_Wind Mar 24 #20
GeorgeGist Mar 23 #2
Wounded Bear Mar 23 #6
janterry Mar 23 #7
PubliusEnigma Mar 23 #9
7wo7rees Mar 23 #10
Phoenix61 Mar 23 #13
HarlanPepper Mar 23 #17

Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Mon Mar 23, 2020, 10:27 AM

1. The answer is no.

I don't remember who answered that question last week.

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 23, 2020, 10:34 AM

3. I think they've been saying it all along, in China they've had cases of people being reinfected.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #3)

Mon Mar 23, 2020, 10:36 AM

4. Out of how many cases


People need to realize that, in any event, there are statistical outliers.

A report of a handful of cases of reinfection - which can happen with ANY disease to which one develops immunity in a handful of cases - does not prove a god-damned thing.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #4)

Mon Mar 23, 2020, 10:45 AM

8. We're in the fog of war here, Jberry. No one knows 100% of anything. All I can do is ...

go by what I learn from reputable sources :

https://www.businessinsider.com/wuhan-coronavirus-risk-of-reinfection-2020-2?op=1


https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/its-possible-for-coronavirus-to-reinfect-recovered-patients-chinese-expert-warns/

It's Possible For Coronavirus To Reinfect Recovered Patients, Chinese Expert Warns

By Tom Hale
05 Feb 2020, 16:08

A doctor from the Chinese Health Commission warns that certain recovered coronavirus patients might be prone to reinfection. However, before you panic, it’s worth stressing that this risk of relapse is true of any infection, not a unique feature of the current coronavirus outbreak.

"The antibody will be generated; however, in certain individuals, the antibody cannot last that long," Zhan Qingyuan, director of pneumonia prevention and treatment at the China-Japan Friendship Hospital, said at a press conference on Friday, reported by CGTN, a Chinese state-owned media outlet.

”For those patients who have been cured, there is a likelihood of a relapse. For cured patients, they should also harness their own health safeguards.”

When the body becomes infected, the immune system produces proteins called antibodies that bind to and neutralize the pathogen. This process needs the antibody to have a specific structure to bind to the particular pathogen it's attempting to quell. If you’ve already been infected by a specific pathogen, your immune system will “remember” the pathogen and effectively have the relevant antibody ready to go, thereby protecting you against another infection.

Despite common knowledge, it is possible to catch the same virus twice. Some pathogens, most notably influenza, are able to mutate extremely rapidly, rendering the previous antibodies partly or totally useless. This is one of the reasons why you are encouraged to get a flu jab annually, as your immunity can become redundant by the time next year’s flu season arrives.

So, as with any infection, rock-solid lifelong immunity is never guaranteed. However, that is no reason to panic.

“Certainly some people in any population do not mount a full immune response and may be at repeated risk, but this would be true of any infection they caught, not just the new coronavirus,” Ian Jones, professor of virology at the University of Reading, told IFLScience.

“So the generally accepted view would be that once the virus has swept through a population, or that population has been vaccinated, the incidence of disease would fall dramatically and the virus would not be calculating widely. In that case, even still susceptible people would be unlucky to encounter it.”

Many uncertainties still hang over the current outbreak of the Wuhan coronavirus, 2019-nCoV, which began in December 2019. Just this week, a report in one of the world's most prestigious scientific journals was retracted as it falsely claimed the novel coronavirus can be transmitted by people who don't show any symptoms.

As of 4pm GMT on February 5, there are at least 24,613 confirmed cases of the novel coronavirus across the world, over 24,390 of which are in mainland China. There have also been over 494 deaths, the overwhelming majority of which have occurred in mainland China, surpassing the number of people that died in mainland China during the 2002-2003 SARS outbreak (349 deaths).

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Coronavirus: reinfection discovery may be blow to vaccine ...
[Search domain www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/coronavirus-reinfection-discovery-may-be-blow-to-vaccine-hopes-1.4187234] https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/coronavirus-reinfection-discovery-may-be-blow-to-vaccine-hopes-1.4187234
Coronavirus: reinfection discovery may be blow to vaccine hopes Pharmaceutical company Gilead is working on a drug that is in human trial stage


Explainer: Coronavirus reappears in discharged patients ...
[Search domain www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-reinfection-explainer-idUSKCN20M124] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-reinfection-explainer-idUSKCN20M124
A growing number of discharged coronavirus patients in China and elsewhere are testing positive after recovering, sometimes weeks after being allowed to leave the hospital, which could make the ...


So impeach my sources, councilor.




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Response to marble falls (Reply #8)

Mon Mar 23, 2020, 10:55 AM

11. But we've been told that asymptomatic people CAN transmit the virus, which is why we are

social distancing. This statement in that article completely contradicts what we have all been told (emphasis added):

Just this week, a report in one of the world's most prestigious scientific journals was retracted as it falsely claimed the novel coronavirus can be transmitted by people who don't show any symptoms.


This statement makes me generally suspicious of the article.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #8)

Mon Mar 23, 2020, 11:24 AM

14. Key line


“Certainly some people in any population do not mount a full immune response and may be at repeated risk, but this would be true of any infection they caught, not just the new coronavirus,”

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #14)

Mon Mar 23, 2020, 11:32 AM

16. Unfortunately no one has the numbers past that reported cases are significant enough to be noted ...

by authorities around the world. I'll get my information from them rather than cynical lawyers who offer no evidence past their own logic.

A big stumbling block is the lack of testing. So we have to pay attention what recognized experts are seeing.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #4)

Mon Mar 23, 2020, 11:26 AM

15. Also, many were released before they were clear to please Xi.

Soooo, you really can't believe the numbers out of China. I read an article this morning that said to be 'recovered' you should have a negative result on two tests AND a clear chest x-ray. Many were released way before that.

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 23, 2020, 10:37 AM

5. That Is Rather Blanket, Ma'am

There have been a few apparent cases of reinfection in Oriental countries where testing is widespread and things are closely monitored. It is not clear these are not the result of false positives in the tests, which like anything else are not 100% accurate. It would be unusual if prior infection thrown off did not convey at least some degree of subsequent immunity. Things like the flu and common cold mutate quickly and easily, so that immunity to a previous version may not apply to a new one. Whether the present covid-19 does this is not known, and cannot be known till some time has passed.

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #5)

Mon Mar 23, 2020, 11:01 AM

12. Thank you, Sir.

Nothing is clear right now.

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #5)

Mon Mar 23, 2020, 11:36 AM

18. well meant tip - use Asian not Oriental

I got reamed for using the O word a few years ago.

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Response to treestar (Reply #18)

Mon Mar 23, 2020, 11:40 AM

19. 'Oriental' Sir Has Better Sound And Rythm

"The difference between the right word and the wrong one is the difference between the lightning and a lightning-bug."

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 24, 2020, 11:19 AM

20. I stand corrected. Gov Cuomo stated that you are immune to COVID-19 after recovery.

whoops Glad I was wrong.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Mon Mar 23, 2020, 10:31 AM

2. Probably

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Mon Mar 23, 2020, 10:38 AM

6. It would be nice to have an answer, but we just don't know yet...

and it will probably take months, at least, to determine the extent of immunity that might be granted by surviving this.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Mon Mar 23, 2020, 10:39 AM

7. Yes, BUT the virus is mutating so you can get another strain

n/t

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Mon Mar 23, 2020, 10:50 AM

9. This is how they can be so sure that 80% of us will get it.

No immunity.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Mon Mar 23, 2020, 11:06 AM

13. There a whole lot of people counting on the

answer to that question being yes. Otherwise there is no point in trying to come up with a vaccine.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Mon Mar 23, 2020, 11:33 AM

17. It's been answered over and over again.

Do you follow the news coverage? How about a google search?

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