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Tue Mar 17, 2020, 09:12 AM

 

Chinese wet markets

Michael Osterholm is an internationally recognized expert in infectious diseases. He has said for decades that most of these viruses can be traced back to Chinese wet markets.

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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Tue Mar 17, 2020, 09:13 AM

1. Link

Source
Story
Anything?

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Response to superpatriotman (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 17, 2020, 09:16 AM

3. Googling him gives Michael Osterholm and Joe Rogan quite a lot.....

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #3)

Tue Mar 17, 2020, 09:59 AM

10. Is That A Problem?

Seeing he just did an 1.5 hours show with him an all? You should probably listen to it.

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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Tue Mar 17, 2020, 09:13 AM

2. It is definitely an unsanitary situation...nt

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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Tue Mar 17, 2020, 09:18 AM

4. This one and SARS certainly were so traceable


And I believe I saw someone post here the other day that the Chinese government banned those horrid institutions going forward.

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Response to DarthDem (Reply #4)

Tue Mar 17, 2020, 09:35 AM

6. Actually they have not been able to trace Covid-19 to any animal.

Bats carry coronavirus, that does not match it completely, so they have assumed it was somehow from them, but the actual virus has not been found in any animal population. The first case they know of had no connection to the market.

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Response to 58Sunliner (Reply #6)

Tue Mar 17, 2020, 09:55 AM

9. Pangolin's still the best intermediate bet. n/t

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Response to 58Sunliner (Reply #6)

Tue Mar 17, 2020, 12:01 PM

18. Interesting


I saw a Vox video - no link, sorry - that definitively linked the outbreak to a Wuhan wet market, from a bat via a pangolin. The video was heartbreaking and horrible.

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Response to DarthDem (Reply #4)

Tue Mar 17, 2020, 09:59 AM

11. We have known that wet markets have been a huge risk for years

The were shut down after SARS and MERS (both from wet market origins).

However, sadly, over time, they reopened them anyway.

They supposedly shut them down again but there are still many open in different parts of the world.

Greed rules in this sick world we live in!





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Response to DarthDem (Reply #4)

Tue Mar 17, 2020, 10:01 AM

12. And some of the nasty African viruses

like Ebola tend to be traced back to bush meat.

Which is either bought at the African version of "wet markets" or hunted by the consumer.

Zoonotic diseases can spread without ingestion, but it's less common and requires close contact. Domestication is close enough, but most of that is for the purpose of meat so it's a distinction often without a difference. It's been even been proposed that the collapse of Cahokia and some other Native American cultures was less smallpox or other virus transmitted human to human than it was caused by having the villagers hunt or take in Spanish swine and the diseases that the swine bore. After all, there are scant reports of much contact between Spanish explorers and the indigenous peoples along the Gulf, and for the most part those who were ill and infectious weren't going to be out doing active exploring but more likely to be at camp. Meanwhile swine went feral quite quickly and provided a nice high-calorie food source.

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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Tue Mar 17, 2020, 09:27 AM

5. You might want to watch this

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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Tue Mar 17, 2020, 09:36 AM

7. They have not traced this virus to any animal.

Bats carry coronavirus, that does not match it completely, so they have assumed it was somehow from them, but the actual virus has not been found in any animal population. The first case they know of had no connection to the market.
https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf

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Response to 58Sunliner (Reply #7)

Tue Mar 17, 2020, 10:17 AM

13. Much speaking / more correct.

The report cited still goes back to bats as the most likely reservoir; it's the intermediate source that's the problem and finding the exact match in a bat population or intermediate population.

Getting a 98% hit pretty much means "that's the general source", which is, as with other coronaviruses, bats.

The rest is defense of the indefensible for no valid reason.

What's hard to make the claim for "the first patient had no connect to the wet market" stick is the surprise, after the claims were made, that asymptomatic individuals are often more infectious than those with symptoms. So in checking for a connection to the wet market they have to investigate everybody that the purported patient zero came in contact with for the 3-10 days prior to showing symptoms and check them for antibodies. (And even then, if there is a "patient -1" given the antibody evidence based on samples collected prior to the COVID-19 spread and it's shown that this patient -1 has a connection to the wet market, that's still not sufficient evidence because there might be a patient -2 we'll never identify. At this point it's going to be unknowable because later covid-19 incidence would taint any conclusions drawn from samples collected after early January.)

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Response to Igel (Reply #13)

Tue Mar 17, 2020, 10:38 AM

14. For a little perspective-our DNA is 99% that of a chimp. General source?? No such thing.

Alignment of the full-length genome sequence of the
COVID-19 virus and other available genomes of Betacoronavirus showed the closest
relationship was with the bat SARS-like coronavirus strain BatCov RaTG13, identity 96%.
You can not claim anything about a wet market.That is my point.

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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Tue Mar 17, 2020, 09:55 AM

8. Laurie Garrett

She is an expert in this field.

You can find her on twitter @laurie_garrett .

This is what she has been saying from the beginning.

There is also a doctor Campbell in England that has a video about the virus every day.

Here is today's video.



You can find more about the disgusting wild markets if you google it. One of the best ones I've seen so far was a group on panelists from Singapore. They have nipped COVID-19 in the bud almost.

to all of these people that I mention.

It is good you are learning about this, and yes, COVID-19 is from the wet markets, I have no doubt about it. It is the Nature's revenge so to speak IMO.



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Response to CountAllVotes (Reply #8)

Tue Mar 17, 2020, 10:39 AM

15. You have no proof it is from the wet markets. No one does.

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Response to 58Sunliner (Reply #15)

Tue Mar 17, 2020, 10:44 AM

16. It is not proof, there is none

They do not know what this virus is, hence there is no "proof".

What we have is information, information that has been collected during past outbreaks of similar diseases that appear to have originated from the same situation, in this case it is wet markets which are a perfect breeding ground for this sort of thing to thrive in.



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Response to CountAllVotes (Reply #8)

Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:04 AM

17. Laurie Garrett on Coronavirus: Racist Attitudes Could Aid & Abet the Spread of the Pandemic

AMY GOODMAN: This is Democracy Now!, democracynow.org, The War and Peace Report. Iím Amy Goodman. The coronavirus outbreak continuing to spread, with the death toll in China beyond 360, over 17,000 confirmed cases of the infection worldwide. A man in the Philippines the first death outside of China has been attributed to coronavirus. And the U.S. has declared a public health emergency, barring foreign nationals who have recently traveled to China from entering the United States.

Laurie, in Part 1, we talked about the gutting of the public health system in the United States. Now weíre back to China, where the heart of the epidemic is, 17,000 people and rising. How do you think the coronavirus should be dealt with? I mean, you dealt with SARS. You were in China during that time. That was what? Seventeen years ago. What about now?

LAURIE GARRETT: You know, this is really hard, Amy, because China is doing things that really no other nation on Earth could do. Itís a combination of an authoritarian government and, you know, tremendous infrastructure. They built a thousand-bed hospital in Wuhan in eight days. Itís admitting patients today. I witnessed them building hospitals in the provincial areas in six days, seven days. And Iím not talking about a slapdash little shed. Itís a real, sophisticated, you know, negative air pressure hospital. But the measures theyíre having to resort to are so extreme. You know, basically, 100 million people in the nation right at this moment are in some form of shutdown or lockdown. They have to move hundreds of billions of pounds of food all over the country in mass convoys to the locked-down population. I mean, Wuhan is 11 million people. And Beijing is essentially under a de facto quarantine.

The rest of the transcript can be found on the link below:


https://www.democracynow.org/2020/2/4/laurie_garrett_on_coronovirus_racist_attitudes



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