I have someone arguing Trump has been better for women, blacks, poor last 3 yrs than Obama

[LizBeth]

in all 8 yrs. I googled and saw headline and seeing it is about the economy. Can someone help who is in the know so I do not have to do the research. I am assuming they are talking about the economy. Obama walked in to disaster. Took time to start mending. Growth was slow but progressively moved upward. Trump came in and adopted Obama economy continued to grow giving Trump the ability to make this statement. Is this correct?

Also, I read Trump is going after sanctuary cities. That is not a plus on his side.

He has certainly hurt ACA which is not a win for poor.

The racism and hate certainly hurts our women, gays and POC.

Any info would be appreciated.

Edit to add: When I read that from him I told him, DONE. Done done done. I was done. I often get there in conversation with him. But he says, facts, done because of facts and there are others reading my feed that are not so informed. Many Republicans that do not like or cannot stomach Trump but can vote Biden. This is for the other readers. It is not for this man. Long ago, I relegated him to, done.

[still_one]

1. Was that Cornell West you were talking with?

[JustAnotherGen]

3. +1000

[LizBeth]

4. Ah, left leaning Libertarian old white man that thinks white men are being picked on but is all in

for Tulsi and thinks she is being picked on. I would not care but it is on my feed where a lot of non political read so I would like a coherent answer to his statement for other readers.

[still_one]

19. I was making a joke as evidenced by the emoji i used, definitely not directed against the

frustration the OP was experiencing by engaging with a trumper

I apologize

[LizBeth]

20. I totally got that. ;)

[still_one]

23. Personally i avoid those discussions with those type of folks, but if i did engage I would ask him

why trump has reversed or trying to reverse the work done on women's rights and civil rights, not only by reversing much of the work President Obama accomplished, but also his supreme court and judicial appointments

[LizBeth]

26. Good points. Thank you. I already have quite a bit to put in this post I will be making later.

Like I said, not for him, more for the other readers.

[still_one]

36. +++

[uponit7771]

25. +1,

[Javaman]

2. don't waste your time. no matter what links you provide...

if they are that far up the oranges assholes asshole, they will just claim fake news.

you can't fix stupid.

[LizBeth]

7. It is nto for him. It is for other readers who are not informed. I like to put out truth so I

want to get this right. Many are Republicans who cannot stomach Trump and are movable especially with a Biden nomination.

[Javaman]

9. good point. Cheers. :) nt

[tavernier]

5. Do not argue with cultists.

It takes special training and even then it rarely succeeds.

[Frustratedlady]

6. Your "someone" needs medical help or a hearing aid. You won't have to look far to see he/she is

all wet. Just sayin'.

[SKKY]

8. Ask them to discuss the economy Trump inherited vice the economy Obama inherited...

...Big, big difference. But, since it's facts, they probably won't be interested in hearing it. Just leave the cult of personality alone. It's not worth it.

[jmbar2]

10. Ask them who they think would be a good replacement for Trump

People who prefer authoritarian rule generally don't think past the current occupant. If you can get them to imagine an alternative, you might have a way to have a conversation.

Otherwise, you're wasting your time if it's a hard core MAGAt.

[Xipe Totec]

11. In terms of energizing the base and weaponizing opposition, then yea. nt

[world wide wally]

12. Parrotting the orange orangutang himself

Get a brain, idiot

[Proud Liberal Dem]

13. Just saying that because the economy is overall *better* and everybody is doing *better*

does NOT mean that Trump is a friend to women, African-Americans, low-income workers, etc. Ask your friend what specific policies he has implemented that have made life substantively better for them. Just saying "the economy is good" isn't good enough, nor does it even mean that everybody is benefiting equally from it.

[LizBeth]

16. That is why I am looking for info. When I glanced at his statement I went immediately to anger

and Trump sexual assault and the disgust that he would say Trump was good for women. Then I considered the argument he was presenting that he was referring to economy. I like your point about what has Trump done specifically.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

14. They're sniffing their own farts

[gratuitous]

15. Trump-bots are stuck on the stock market

Understandable, because that's about the only metric that looks good at all for Trump. Point out how poorly the markets have been doing in the last two weeks. Then, point out that if the Dow Jones had been doing as well under Trump as it did under Obama to this date in each man's administration, the market would be over 34,000 today, instead of plummeting down to 26,000 and maybe below 26,000.

When the inevitable bleating comes out about how easy Obama had it and how unfair everything is for Trump, point out the 2008 financial sector meltdown that was bequeathed to Obama by the MBA president. If your correspondent doesn't want to engage on those terms, tell him you're not interested in a debate with someone so divorced from reality.

[LizBeth]

17. Perfect. Thank you. This is what I am looking for and a little copy and paste works for me.

[subterranean]

18. Did the person you were arguing with back up their claim with any facts?

I think when Trump and his worshipers make that argument, they are speaking strictly about the low unemployment rate, which of course Trump takes all the credit for. But average monthly job growth was better in Obama's last three years than in Trump's first three, so even that doesn't hold water.

But the unemployment rate is not the only thing that matters. The administration's other policies -- hostility to reproductive rights, gutting of the social safety net, removal of environmental regulations, attempts to repeal the ACA, etc. -- are demonstrably bad for women, blacks and the poor (and many other people, too).

[LizBeth]

21. No, he did not offer facts. I wanted to educate myself a little before asking for that.

I imagine he will present exactly like you say. Over time, I have been reading, but I do not retain the same manner I did younger. I knew that they were saying this and there was a counter argument. This is what I was looking for. Thank you. I did not want ot read tons, to get here.

[LizBeth]

22. Again, rereading, thank you. I can copy and paste the whole thing, lol

[RT Atlanta]

24. my grandmother used to say she wished 'stupid were painful'

n/t

[LizBeth]

27. Truth. I might even steal that one. Lol

[TygrBright]

28. Is this person female, black, or poor?

No?

A pleasant "STFU" is indicated.

helpfully,
Bright

[LizBeth]

29. Old white man on board with white men picked on most. That is the first response I gave.

stfu. Lol. He came back to the fact comment so I feel a need to address that for the other readers. I went livid when I first read that, going to Trumps sexual assaults.

[Downtown Hound]

30. A steaming pile of shit. Here's proof:

https://www.manhattan-institute.org/reevaluating-prosperity-of-american-family?fbclid=IwAR0FOB3xjpv4x90uLC1a6bmnCjKz4XClsDkdoBt7V4aCoH1pSPPtZouw8ao


https://www.businessinsider.com/america-middle-class-living-expenses-family-of-four-2020-2?fbclid=IwAR3mX3iIOQo_cQsLzHRXkvjsIpR2kpqIJpQzGezjz-OvCPcuC9O29I1UpPQ


These are CONSERVATIVE sources too. You're welcome.

[LizBeth]

33. TY!

[NewJeffCT]

31. This twitter thread has some good economic data - not by race

but, it does have the fact that almost the entire wage increase for the "working class" (or, the "Blue Collar Boom" that Trump and his toadies are touting) is due to minimum wage increases passed by Democrats at the state and local levels.

Link to tweet

?s=20

[LizBeth]

34. Living in a blue state where we are getting the minimum wage increase, I was going to argue this.

I didn't have back up, so thank you, but it seemed a logical argument.

[NewJeffCT]

38. Chris Lu on Twitter has some good economic info as well

he was assistant secretary of Labor under Obama

[stillcool]

32. ask them about the deficit...

they're all up in arms about that, but now that they don't care. Stats about anything you want to know can be found here, just by doing a search. And you get the links to the articles they came from, to back it up.

[LizBeth]

35. Totally. I am going to have to gather and make it concise. You guys are the best.

Thank you for all the info.

[sinkingfeeling]

37. I'll bet your someone is a middle income, white male.

[LizBeth]

39. And a little bit of a trust fund, hasn't worked in at least two decades.

[sinkingfeeling]

40. I always love how they speak for women, POC, and the poor.

[LizBeth]

41. Right.

[GulfCoast66]

42. Never argue with an idiot.

They bring the argument down to their level and beat you through experience.

Or as my grandfather used to say “never wrestle with a pig. You both get muddy and the pig likes it”.

[LizBeth]

43. Ha ha, that is cute.