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Turkish army suffered mass casualties in an airstrike-could dramatically shift the course of war 👀

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/world/middleeast/russia-turkey-syria-war-strikes.html

Airstrike Hits Turkish Forces in Syria

The Turkish army suffered mass casualties in an airstrike, Turkish officials say, an attack that could dramatically shift the course of the Syrian war.


By Carlotta Gall

Feb. 27, 2020

Updated 5:50 p.m. ET

ISTANBUL The Turkish army suffered mass casualties in an airstrike in northwest Syria late Thursday, an attack that could dramatically change the course of the Syrian war.

At least 22 Turkish soldiers were killed, said Rahmi Dogan, the Turkish governor of the southern province of Hatay, where the Turkish casualties were arriving. News reports citing social media messages and the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a war monitoring group, put the number of Turkish dead as high as 34.

President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey held an emergency meeting Thursday evening in Ankara, Turkish media reported. He has been calling for Syrian government and Russia forces to cease their two-month offensive in Idlib Province and to pull back from Turkish positions, which have been encircled and cut off by Syrian government forces.

Turkish officials said the strike had been carried out by Syrian government forces, but Russian jets have been conducting most of the airstrikes in the area in recent weeks. Russian officials could not be reached for comment late Thursday.

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Just... wow. On top of everything else!



Olga Lautman @olgaNYC1211

Russia-Turkey are on the verge of war. 22 Turkish soldiers were killed with some reports being
higher after reports that Russian forces fired on Turkish soldiers in Idlib. There is also an unconfirmed report that Turkey has told the Russian ambassador to leave. Will update


AFP news agency ✔@AFP

#BREAKING Russia accuses Turkey of violating Syria deal, supporting rebels with artillery


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Reply Turkish army suffered mass casualties in an airstrike-could dramatically shift the course of war 👀 (Original post)
Dennis Donovan Feb 2020 OP
LaurenOlimina Feb 2020 #1
Blue_Tires Feb 2020 #13
LaurenOlimina Feb 2020 #14
Adsos Letter Feb 2020 #2
Dennis Donovan Feb 2020 #6
Adsos Letter Feb 2020 #11
Igel Feb 2020 #15
greenjar_01 Feb 2020 #3
bronxiteforever Feb 2020 #4
MaryMagdaline Feb 2020 #5
Dennis Donovan Feb 2020 #7
UTUSN Feb 2020 #8
moondust Feb 2020 #9
no_hypocrisy Feb 2020 #10
superpatriotman Feb 2020 #12
stillcool Feb 2020 #16
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2020 #17

Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Thu Feb 27, 2020, 07:57 PM

1. Ok Russia here we come?

 

I doubt it.

This will end NATO if it comes to that.

Trump will never threaten Putin.

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Response to LaurenOlimina (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 27, 2020, 08:55 PM

13. Even though they've been accelerating the timetables

Believe me when I say that Russia lacks the sufficient number of modern equipment, vehicles and weapons for any kind of sustained conflict.

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #13)

Thu Feb 27, 2020, 08:58 PM

14. Oh, I know. I'm not saying we can't.

 

I'm saying Trump won't.

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Thu Feb 27, 2020, 07:58 PM

2. Does Article 5 apply if the attack didn't take place on the NATO member's territory?

There seems to be some disagreement about this. The casualties are arriving in Turkey's Hatay province, but the attack took place in Syrian territory.

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Response to Adsos Letter (Reply #2)

Thu Feb 27, 2020, 08:23 PM

6. It can't be invoked in this case

...but this still signals a huge escalation is about to take place.

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 27, 2020, 08:51 PM

11. I'm reading that Turkey has invoked Article 4.

Consultations with NATO allies to determine if Turkish sovereignty is threatened by Russian/Syrian action.

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Response to Adsos Letter (Reply #11)

Thu Feb 27, 2020, 09:24 PM

15. Of course. Turkish sovereignty over

Syrian territory.

They're fighting to remain in Syria and protect "rebels", more than one group of which had been allied with the likes of al-qa'ida.

They're doing the Russian Donbas strategy against a neighbor they don't like. Mimicking Israel's West Bank strategy in Cyprus worked, so of course they thought this would work. Except that while the Palestinians are a tougher crowd than the Greeks, you don't want to piss off the Russians.

Erdogan will find that playing off the Russians against the other NATO allies, only to turn to them when the Russians don't play nice, isn't likely to work. (But, of course, we'll say, "It's just Trump ... and Macron ... and Merkel playing nice to their russki overlord. Don't listen to the fascists in Poland and the Baltics."

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Thu Feb 27, 2020, 07:59 PM

3. Fuck around

Lay around

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Thu Feb 27, 2020, 08:05 PM

4. Kick and recommend. This is really bad.

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Thu Feb 27, 2020, 08:16 PM

5. Umm didn't Turkey tell us to get out?

Hope they love their new best friend, Putin

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Thu Feb 27, 2020, 08:29 PM

7. Kick for info added to the OP

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Thu Feb 27, 2020, 08:35 PM

8. So this is what ERGODAN's request for a meeting with PUTIN was about, and was refused.

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Thu Feb 27, 2020, 08:36 PM

9. Will Turkey use its new S-400

Russian-made anti-aircraft weapons against Russian aircraft?

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Thu Feb 27, 2020, 08:37 PM

10. Hey Erdogan, this is what happens when you decide to fight yourself

instead of letting the Kurds and our military do the work for you.

Did you truly believe that Syria and Russia would give you more land as a reward?

Buyer's regret?

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Thu Feb 27, 2020, 08:53 PM

12. I think Turkey would win a hot war

Russia is weak and small.

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Thu Feb 27, 2020, 10:23 PM

16. mass casualties? Sounds more like...

something that would happen outside of a Walmart.

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