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Tue Feb 18, 2020, 05:36 PM

You know who else took control of the justice system?

Fuckers voted him in too, and their government voted for him to take extraordinary power away from all branches of the administration writ large. He didn’t need the army to take control, once the justice system is corrupted everything is possible. Then comes the military to knock down the doors of those who are fighting against a system of justice that is no longer just, because they work for the head of state after all.

Right now Trump does not need the army, he has exactly what he needs to force the authoritarian boundaries as much as wants, after all he has a senate majority that are just standing there and letting him destroy law and order, no push-back at all. It would not surprise me in the slightest if they decided to vote through a suspension of the election, cause…. something or other.

As Margaret Atwood wrote in the Handmaids Tale: “That was when they suspended the Constitution. They said it would be temporary. There wasn't even any rioting in the streets. People stayed home at night, watching television, looking for some direction. There wasn't even an enemy you could put your finger on.”

It is almost like they are reading a how-to manual, or at the very least, someone is showing Trump 1930’s European history in a picture book.

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Reply You know who else took control of the justice system? (Original post)
Soph0571 Feb 2020 OP
geardaddy Feb 2020 #1
handmade34 Feb 2020 #2
mountain grammy Feb 2020 #17
CaptainTruth Feb 2020 #24
handmade34 Feb 2020 #25
onecaliberal Feb 2020 #26
MarcA Feb 2020 #3
pazzyanne Feb 2020 #21
jayschool2013 Feb 2020 #4
OMGWTF Feb 2020 #8
essme Feb 2020 #15
czarjak Feb 2020 #20
2naSalit Feb 2020 #10
live love laugh Feb 2020 #5
Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2020 #6
notinkansas Feb 2020 #9
OMGWTF Feb 2020 #7
Evolve Dammit Feb 2020 #11
IggleDuer Feb 2020 #16
flamin lib Feb 2020 #12
handmade34 Feb 2020 #22
BigmanPigman Feb 2020 #13
mountain grammy Feb 2020 #19
handmade34 Feb 2020 #23
ashredux Feb 2020 #14
Joinfortmill Feb 2020 #18

Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:34 PM

1. Well, he is German.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:39 PM

2. I am in favor

of rioting in the streets...

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Response to handmade34 (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:58 PM

17. I believe

That’s the only thing we’ll have left.

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Response to handmade34 (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 09:47 PM

24. Honestly, if our Republic cannot be saved peacefully, I'll be right next to you.

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Response to CaptainTruth (Reply #24)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 10:24 PM

25. I believe waiting

until election and then the end of January (should we win) will be too late... so much damage has already been done...

unfortunately, I don't know the best strategy... I protested in the 70's, I marched in New York in the 80's, I protested our involvement in Iraq, I marched with a million women in 2017 and have been to a few protests since then...

right now we are up against Republicans that have absolved themselves of any responsibility for keeping the law... and seemingly not beholden to their constituents...

I don't want violence, but... what is going on in OUR government is untenable

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Response to handmade34 (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 10:27 PM

26. Me too

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:39 PM

3. Fascists here would use SWAT teams, not the army, to keep a facade of legality. n/t

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Response to MarcA (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 08:26 PM

21. Like ICE? nt

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:42 PM

4. Look to Putin

If you want to predict what Trump might do, look to Russia and Putin.

This is from a New Yorker article from January 23, 2020 called "How Putin Controls Russia." In it, Isaac Chotiner interviews author Masha Lipman, a political analyst and author who writes extensively about Putin's grip on the state.

The context is Putin's sweeping changes to the Russian constitution, made in January 2020. Here are four paragraphs that give you a sense of what Caligula II may have in mind for his "reign."

Paragraph 1:
"Putin rarely consults with anyone, and, even if he does, it is done in a totally opaque way. He’s rarely explicit. Even if he consults with some people in his circle, people leave without having a clear idea of what his goal is and have to guess. Sometimes they guess right. Sometimes they guess wrong. Sometimes they try to curry favor and succeed, sometimes not. At the end of the day he is the ultimate decision-maker. And the strategy and the grand plans that he has for Russia, in their entirety, exist only in his mind."

Paragraph 2:
"He is way more sophisticated than to just say, “I rule by diktat and whatever I say is the law,” even if in practice it often is this way. He already was facing this dilemma back in 2008, when the constitution required that he step down after two consecutive terms as President. And he was so popular at the time—his approval rating was above eighty per cent. He could have changed the constitution easily and said, “I’m President for life,” which was something that his colleagues in some of the former Soviet republics had done before him. But he wanted to look more, I don’t know, European. He wanted to look more democratic. He wanted to maintain the appearance of being engaged in a procedural democracy. So he actually did step down but remained in charge. He figured out the configuration in which he anointed his very loyal colleague, Dmitry Medvedev, as President, and he himself took the office of the Prime Minister. So on the surface, on the formal levels, he did step down as the constitution requires. But he remained informally in charge, and “informally” means a great deal more sometimes in Russia than the formal institutions do. But he still kept the appearance of democratic legitimacy. And I think he cares about that."

Paragraph 3:
"In 2011 and 2012, the economic growth slowed down. He could no longer deliver as generously as he had before. And, also in 2011 and 2012, he faced mass public protests. That was the first important turning point, when, actually having faced the challenge of mass protests, he tilted the balance quite strongly in favor of control and away from national development and economic growth. And this tilt became even stronger in 2014, when he made arguably the riskiest move in his whole career and annexed Crimea. This came at a cost, of course, of Western sanctions and a slowdown of the economy. And again he sacrificed those goals for the sake of control within and the concept of sovereignty abroad, which Putin thinks should be totally unbound. Nobody should be able to dictate to Russia what to do. Nobody should be able to bend its will and to bend its policy."

Paragraph 4:
"Was he anti-liberal? Well, as far as the economy was concerned, during his first term, and I would say his second term, no. Was he anti-Western? Partly so, but Russia still remained quite open. And, if we talk about the media, Putin moved very early in his first Presidential term to take the national television channels under his control. He did this with by far the largest media outlets with the largest audience, but he wouldn’t interfere with niche media or liberal media, allowing them to preach to the converted, and operate reasonably freely, to the extent that they did not stir unwanted passions among the broader public. Following the protests in 2011 and 2012, niche liberal media for the first time came under pressure. I would not say this was horrible pressure. People who worked there were not terribly harassed. But they were manipulated. There were a variety of ways Putin was acting, mostly through the owners of those media outlets rather than persecuting or prosecuting individual editors or journalists."

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Response to jayschool2013 (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:53 PM

8. Recall that Putin was the head of the KGB and knows PsyOps

Trump is especially vulnerable to Putin for so many reasons.

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Response to OMGWTF (Reply #8)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:49 PM

15. He was never the head of the KGB.

He was a middle of the road officer. Yeltsen the Drunk made his the FSB director after the USSR dissolution.

He is a criminal, don't need to give him unearned props.

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Response to OMGWTF (Reply #8)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 08:00 PM

20. Putin was in East Berlin when The Wall came down.

Thinks he’s gotten the last laugh. I say he’s WRONG!

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Response to jayschool2013 (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:55 PM

10. +1

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:43 PM

5. They just watched the Handmaid's Tale. Blueprint. nt

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:43 PM

6. I want consequences for the cowards in the Senate.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #6)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:53 PM

9. And particularly for

Moscow Mitch!

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:48 PM

7. Orwell's "1984" was written as a warning but these fkers are using it as a handbook.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:05 PM

11. His ex-wife said he kept a copy of Hitler's writings for nighty night reading. Surprised?

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #11)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:55 PM

16. I'm surprised that he actually read anything!

N/T

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:28 PM

12. I have no concern at all. The Gun Owners Of America and the NRA with the help of all the Militia

will come to our rescue and defeat the tyranny that faces us today.

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Response to flamin lib (Reply #12)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 08:40 PM

22. ironic, isn't it

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:40 PM

13. I like this line....

"People stayed home at night, watching television,...". I would like to add "posting cat pictures and sending nasty comments on Fakebook". Where are our priorities? Why so much apathy? Does anyone read History anymore? How can we learn from History of we are not aware of it and do not care to educate ourselves as adults? We do not learn about History on Twitter and Fakebook.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #13)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:59 PM

19. Exactly!

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #13)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 08:47 PM

23. apathy for some

sense of helplessness for some
ignorance for some
lack of direction for some
….
I have been planning my course of action for a time now... difficult when I am caregiver living in backwoods Vermont... we are moving and trying to strategically plan best place??

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:47 PM

14. ICE will be his Brown Shirts

He will increase their power and they will rule over local authorities. He is testing with New York

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:58 PM

18. I'm waiting for a People's March

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