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Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:28 PM

Federal judges' association calls emergency meeting after DOJ intervenes in case of Trump ally Stone

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/02/17/roger-stone-sentence-judges-worried-political-interference/4788155002/

Kevin Johnson
USA TODAY

WASHINGTON – A national association of federal judges has called an emergency meeting Tuesday to address growing concerns about the intervention of Justice Department officials and President Donald Trump in politically sensitive cases, the group’s president said Monday.

Philadelphia U.S. District Judge Cynthia Rufe, who heads the independent Federal Judges Association, said the group “could not wait” until its spring conference to weigh in on a deepening crisis that has enveloped the Justice Department and Attorney General William Barr.

“There are plenty of issues that we are concerned about,” Rufe told USA TODAY. “We’ll talk all of this through.”

Rufe, nominated to the bench by President George W. Bush, said the group of more than 1,000 federal jurists called for the meeting last week after Trump criticized prosecutors' initial sentencing recommendation for his friend Roger Stone and the Department of Justice overruled them.

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Whoa! Now the judges are weighing in - they don't sound pleased at all!!

On edit: Harry Litman



Harry Litman ✔@harrylitman

This is mind-blowing. I’ve never heard of anything like it. We are in full on crisis mode.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/02/17/roger-stone-sentence-judges-worried-political-interference/4788155002/
Federal judges' association calls emergency meeting after DOJ intervenes in case of Trump ally...
An association of federal judges has called an emergency meeting after Attorney General William Barr intervened in the case of Trump ally Roger Stone.



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Reply Federal judges' association calls emergency meeting after DOJ intervenes in case of Trump ally Stone (Original post)
Dennis Donovan Feb 2020 OP
malaise Feb 2020 #1
Dennis Donovan Feb 2020 #3
triron Feb 2020 #43
samnsara Feb 2020 #2
malaise Feb 2020 #5
Dustlawyer Feb 2020 #40
malaise Feb 2020 #42
Dustlawyer Feb 2020 #56
Dennis Donovan Feb 2020 #6
elleng Feb 2020 #33
alwaysinasnit Feb 2020 #4
malaise Feb 2020 #12
alwaysinasnit Feb 2020 #13
Evolve Dammit Feb 2020 #21
calimary Feb 2020 #59
malaise Feb 2020 #65
ramen Feb 2020 #64
Volaris Feb 2020 #23
OAITW r.2.0 Feb 2020 #7
hangaleft Feb 2020 #61
2naSalit Feb 2020 #8
Leghorn21 Feb 2020 #9
Dennis Donovan Feb 2020 #20
elleng Feb 2020 #31
sheshe2 Feb 2020 #10
Dennis Donovan Feb 2020 #15
sheshe2 Feb 2020 #17
dalton99a Feb 2020 #22
Iliyah Feb 2020 #11
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defacto7 Feb 2020 #32
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TNNurse Feb 2020 #19
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MFM008 Feb 2020 #26
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The Blue Flower Feb 2020 #28
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Dennis Donovan Feb 2020 #46
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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:29 PM

1. Get thee to the greatest page

RFN! This is HUGE!
This is how we maintain separation of powers in representative democracies.
You have no idea how happy this makes me

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Response to malaise (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:32 PM

3. Between this and the (now more than) 2000 DoJ alumni letter, this is really huge!

I heard an interesting factoid from Katy Tur earlier today about the 2000 ex-DoJ officials - there's even one from the Eisenhower admin!

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:30 PM

2. do they carry any actually weight or are they just an advisory committee?

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Response to samnsara (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:34 PM

5. Our judges and magistrates shut down all the courts for one day for a meeting

and that was that.
People do not give up separation of powers or democracy willingly

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Response to malaise (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 08:28 PM

40. True but this will be an intense meeting for sure!

I was in trial in federal court a few weeks ago for a week. During that time the politics of the judge, his court reporter and the Assistant AG were clearly behind Trump. The Trump appointees currently make up a quarter of the federal judges due to Mitch McTurtle. Add in a lot of other Republican appointed judges who may still support Trump it bodes ill for a contentious meeting.

I really hope that most are offended by the precedent Barr and the Trump admin is setting and stand up for our system of justice. What they are doing now is corruption of the justice system at the highest levels.

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Response to Dustlawyer (Reply #40)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 08:32 PM

42. Well I will concede that our judges are not political appointees

but I think we can still rely on the judiciary in most representative democracies

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Response to malaise (Reply #42)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 10:05 PM

56. I hope you are right. I would like to believe they would protect the justice system

before they would protect Trump.

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Response to samnsara (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:34 PM

6. Given the reaction I'm seeing from legal types on twitter

...whatever it is, it's pretty big.

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 08:03 PM

33. Good to hear!

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:33 PM

4. What about the judges nominated by the Federalist Society that Moscow Mitch rammed through?

Any thoughts?

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Response to alwaysinasnit (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:38 PM

12. You think their skeletons are going away

Judges can be impeached - more can be forced to resign when their scandals are exposed and these under-qualified incompetents will fall like rain in a hurricane. Let MoscowMitch think he's winning.
Justice is coming!

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Response to malaise (Reply #12)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:40 PM

13. I like your thinking and I hope you are right.

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Response to alwaysinasnit (Reply #13)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:52 PM

21. ditto

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Response to malaise (Reply #12)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 11:04 PM

59. THIS!

And posts like this are why you got so many hearts last week!

WELL-deserved!!!


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Response to calimary (Reply #59)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:06 AM

65. The day will come when only the loonies will still want to

be associated with the Federalist society.

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Response to malaise (Reply #12)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 02:00 AM

64. Here's hoping. This gish gallop of Barr's has got to end.

I hope we all live to see it.

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Response to alwaysinasnit (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:53 PM

23. Even they are gonna value their own professional and constitutional independence...

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:35 PM

7. Sounds like the last line of sanity has been reached.

The Republicans failed to do their constitutional responsibilities.

Things really seem to be coming to a head. I am thinking that Barr is going to announce his resignation soon and hope he can convince his peers that he really was acting principled in issuing his judgments.

<Good luck with that>

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Response to OAITW r.2.0 (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 12:23 AM

61. I hope you're right and I'm wrong

I don’t see Barr resigning soon. Or ever.

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:36 PM

8. K&R

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:36 PM

9. Just came to post this!!! Apparently, this is a BIG DEAL

“...the group of more than 1,000 federal jurists...”

NO MERCY

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Response to Leghorn21 (Reply #9)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:50 PM

20. Yep. Shit just got real...

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Response to Leghorn21 (Reply #9)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 08:02 PM

31. It is indeed a BIG DEAL, imo!

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:37 PM

10. Disbar Barr.

Lock him up.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #10)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:44 PM

15. It's like he's looking into a mirror of his own destiny

Delicious!

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Reply #15)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:47 PM

17. Sooner than latter would be best. nt

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #10)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:52 PM

22. +1





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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:38 PM

11. And not a peep from McTurtle and the Senate Republicans.

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Response to Iliyah (Reply #11)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 08:01 PM

29. I was just wondering about any response. I can't wait for Trump to blow up over

this and hammer out some tweets!

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Response to Iliyah (Reply #11)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 09:06 PM

48. Skeered they is.

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Response to Iliyah (Reply #11)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 10:25 PM

57. Of course not

They would hate it if they had to confess what they did was wrong.

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:41 PM

14. Life Tenure. :-)

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Response to Raven (Reply #14)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 08:02 PM

32. Not that cut and dry.

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:46 PM

16. Truly amazing

For centuries, the United States hasn't known how to work its government. Donald Trump is here to finally clue us all in on how we've been doing it wrong all these years.

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #16)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:53 PM

24. That may very well be the silver lining if we can survive this. The problems are laid bare.

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:50 PM

18. The criminal regime is hell bent on fucking them over and making them look bad





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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:50 PM

19. Great, but can they do anything????

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Response to TNNurse (Reply #19)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:26 PM

69. No.

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:55 PM

25. It is time for fuBarr to GO!

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:56 PM

26. they got caught again

so he thinks hes ok..........................

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 08:01 PM

28. It isn't only about the Stone sentence

It's about the track record since he auditioned for the post. The Stone thing was the last straw.

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 08:02 PM

30. K&R.Barr & GOP have destroyed DOJ. It's so bad federal judges

are this concerned. Wow.

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 08:04 PM

34. Trump gonna be mad...



His hero, Erdogan fired a lot of judges in Turkey. Thank god our system does not allow that here.

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 08:20 PM

35. Liddle' Billy ain't worried

OR IS HE

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Response to Leghorn21 (Reply #35)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 08:52 PM

46. I think that pic might accurately reflect how he's feeling right now.

He thought his performance last week would be enough to smooth things over long enough to let the Stone matter disappear. Not anymore. He might not be able to cork this bottle with anything but a resignation at this point.

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Response to Leghorn21 (Reply #35)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 09:24 PM

52. Jabba The Hutt with glasses.

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 08:20 PM

36. Could the House declare that it's opening hearings into Barr?

Given the form attorneys’ letter and now the judges’ meeting, it seems logical that they would hold hearings on the improper abuse of the legal system by Trump and Barr.

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Response to Lonestarblue (Reply #36)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 08:27 PM

38. I get the sense the House wants the Judiciary to sort this out first

...even though the DoJ problem is part of the Executive branch (and falls under congressional oversight). If judges and internal DoJ types can't sort this out, they'll *have* to do something.

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 08:25 PM

37. The Beach Boys said it best: Dis-Bar-Barr....Bar-bar-ian

Disbar Barr the Barbarian.

Slitting Lady Liberty's throat in broad daylight with an audience of 327 million.

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 08:27 PM

39. I'm glad to hear this

There is a lot of legal f**kery going on now with Barr and Trump that needs to be addressed:

1. Stone's sentencing guidelines being abruptly revised after Trump's tweeting, obviously (this can't have been some kind of coincidence and there was no motivation for it other than by Trump)
2. Trump and Fox News personally attacking a Jury Foreman in the Stone trial for "bias"
3. Barr prohibiting investigations of presidential candidates without his explicit approval (I don't think it's hard to imagine which ones he'll approve of and which ones he won't).

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 08:30 PM

41. ⭐️⭐️⭐️K&R⭐️⭐️⭐️

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 08:37 PM

44. Wow. That is incredibly unusual.

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 08:45 PM

45. Time for everyone of us

to weigh-in.

Authoritarianism, Despotism, Fascism or, perhaps Democracy; your choice.

Ism's are not my choice. I prefer Ocracy.

The other ones are just crazy, and difficult to live through.

Dem Ocracies are fine by me.

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 09:01 PM

47. Something needs to happen here.

This cannot stand in a democracy. "Crisis mode" for sure.

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Response to llmart (Reply #47)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 09:10 PM

49. People need to stand up and fast. Call you congress people. Write editorials. etc.

Let's have a work stoppage. Students need to walk out.

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 09:18 PM

50. Trump & Barr have no choice

If they don't spring these co-criminals, Stone, Flynn, etc can rat them out.

If Trump pardons them, he has to fear the Gerald Ford pardoning Nixon effect.

Trump & Barr know they can't be impeached so rather than a mere thumb on the scale of justice, they figure they can use a jackhammer to keep Stone, Flynn et all quiet.

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 09:23 PM

51. William Barr is mud slime

Will be interesting to see if as a group, they call for his resignation.

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 09:40 PM

53. Every Government resistor should wear a tan suit until real democracy returns

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 09:43 PM

54. Trump has likely concluded he's really the Ultimate Judge since he pardon power anyways ...

And in a way, he's kinda right about that.

Esp. with MoscowMitch in his back pocket.

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 10:01 PM

55. I am so glad to see this response.

I had expected the typical 'roll over like a whipped puppy' reaction.

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 10:58 PM

58. Good. K&R

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 11:49 PM

60. About time.

The horse is out of the barn and deep in the woods. Should have checked the latch before this.

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 12:30 AM

62. Did Rachel talk about this tonite?

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 12:36 AM

63. I will cross my fingers and say a prayer.

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:32 AM

66. They understand what trump and barr are doing

Trying to destroy the rule of law , and our Democracy while fixing investigations, and elections from abuse of their powers, and will not stand for the corrupting of our country by them both. They both should be going to prison for this now, and 1 will go I think for sure, while the other one escapes justice again .

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 10:26 AM

67. The judge on the Stone case needs to give him 10 to 20

 

If I were the judge on the Stone case, I'd stay within the guidelines, but I'd use the max or close to it. Just to send message that this BS will not be tolerated!

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:21 PM

68. This is good. The country's immune system is still working.

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