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Eric Holder message to men & women of FBI, DoJ: DO NOT RESIGN. (Original Post) Grasswire2 Feb 2020 OP
That's what I think FoxNewsSucks Feb 2020 #1
that's what I tell dems who consider leaving the country Skittles Feb 2020 #2
My Country Right or Wrong OMGWTF Feb 2020 #18
He's right, and I don't want barr installing more Ilsa Feb 2020 #3
Was hoping we would hear from him. GreenPartyVoter Feb 2020 #4
This mahina Feb 2020 #5
By Jove, he's got it! keithbvadu2 Feb 2020 #6
Eric Holder who said we would be proud of America again after W. NO. You did not close Guantanimo. Evolve Dammit Feb 2020 #7
Or prosecute the thieving bankers who caused the 2008 crash rickyhall Feb 2020 #12
Yeah. That too. Thanks. And probably much more that has been forgotten, or never covered. Evolve Dammit Feb 2020 #22
WOW! pazzyanne Feb 2020 #20
I seem to remember the Obama administration trying to close Guantanimo and it blocked by kimbutgar Feb 2020 #25
Yes. It was, and is a major disappointment for this American. It does highlight (again) McConnell's Evolve Dammit Feb 2020 #30
I often wonder who would defend... stillcool Feb 2020 #31
I can only go back so far. Sure, Reagan, Nixon, Kissinger also commited crimes. Trying to relate to Evolve Dammit Feb 2020 #32
I spent too much time... stillcool Feb 2020 #33
It is what Ike warned us about: "the Congressional military industrial complex." We lost our way. Evolve Dammit Feb 2020 #35
I remember that he wanted to close it too Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2020 #34
He also didn't run from his blackness JustAnotherGen Feb 2020 #27
All I'm saying is that he had a golden opportunity to prosecute war criminals and banksters. Evolve Dammit Feb 2020 #29
Perhaps Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2020 #36
How about the war crimes; torture, white phosphorous sanctioned by the Bush White House, Pentagon Evolve Dammit Feb 2020 #38
Banksters? JustAnotherGen Feb 2020 #40
I am not saying they are all evil. But many were instrumental in the greatest depression since 1929. Evolve Dammit Feb 2020 #42
PS. I would love Kamala Harris as AG. Evolve Dammit Feb 2020 #37
I think those who did resign were also trying to send a message BigmanPigman Feb 2020 #8
Thay were, of course, soldierant Feb 2020 #14
Exactly BigOleDummy Feb 2020 #17
Thank you. soldierant Feb 2020 #39
We need the competent, ethical people to stay. TNNurse Feb 2020 #9
Eric Holder AG legacy ... just because reminders are useful NotHardly Feb 2020 #10
People want everything... Historic NY Feb 2020 #16
Single biggest gun black Americans have JustAnotherGen Feb 2020 #28
I hope each and every one read it and take it to heart!❤ Karadeniz Feb 2020 #11
They should not resign under normal circumstances... reACTIONary Feb 2020 #13
Yes. soldierant Feb 2020 #15
And THAT is when they blow the whistle. not_the_one Feb 2020 #21
We need competent people at DOJ to prosecute Trump next year. Nt Fiendish Thingy Feb 2020 #19
I am glad he tweeted that. No doubt the women and men in the DOJ need reassurance. Vivienne235729 Feb 2020 #23
K&R uponit7771 Feb 2020 #24
I feel this way too. If good people leave, what's left? mountain grammy Feb 2020 #26
Yep Just_Vote_Dem Feb 2020 #41

FoxNewsSucks

(10,429 posts)
1. That's what I think
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 05:32 PM
Feb 2020

every time I hear about Generals, top-level people or anyone resigning.

They're just getting out of the way of the toadies who won't protest. Has a resignation ever caused someone like MF45 to change something, or does it just open up a slot for a loyalist willing to help out?

Evolve Dammit

(16,725 posts)
7. Eric Holder who said we would be proud of America again after W. NO. You did not close Guantanimo.
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 06:36 PM
Feb 2020

And you did nothing to hold the Bush cabal accountable for the invasion of Iraq (who did not attack us, it was Saudi Arabia) and let the liars and war criminals slide.

kimbutgar

(21,137 posts)
25. I seem to remember the Obama administration trying to close Guantanimo and it blocked by
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 05:00 PM
Feb 2020

Repukes. ( McConnell specifically)

It was also President Obama’s decision to not go after Bush. Because he felt the country needed to look forward.

Evolve Dammit

(16,725 posts)
30. Yes. It was, and is a major disappointment for this American. It does highlight (again) McConnell's
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 05:50 PM
Feb 2020

total capitulation to enabling war criminals and banking corruption. Moscow Mitch is a traitor to this country, but I am more than disappointed that Obama did not call out the obstruction and corruption. And Holder could have prosecuted. Doesn't matter now, we have moved on to new crises (plural).

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
31. I often wonder who would defend...
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:10 PM
Feb 2020

the United States government, if the Bush Administration were to face criminal charges. The victims...of the United States Government go back a long ways, and if it were revealed in a court, with evidence, what has gone on, what would they get? A state, or two? And, who would defend the government? Wouldn't the U.S. military be involved in any court case? Who would defend them? And, as for those bankers, it is easy to make what is illegal today, legal tomorrow. Making deals with the devil to avoid Armageddon is a judgement call. I guess it doesn't matter who you blame for the sins of the past...it's just kind of funny that Eric Holder and Barrack Obama were so disappointing, for not fixing all the stuff that has been happening since the 80's.

Evolve Dammit

(16,725 posts)
32. I can only go back so far. Sure, Reagan, Nixon, Kissinger also commited crimes. Trying to relate to
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:39 PM
Feb 2020

a more recent time period. Could go back for most administrations. Not as bloody as the church of England, or were we? Only country to use nukes, for example.

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
33. I spent too much time...
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 08:26 PM
Feb 2020

reading at thirdworldtraveler.com you can get lost in there. So many great writers, and so many topics. At one time I really wanted to understand... Now..not so much.
For example..a little snippet ...


"Since World War Two the United States has attempted to overthrow more than fifty foreign governments, it has dropped bombs on the people of around thirty countries, has attempted to assassinate some sixty foreign leaders, helped to suppress dozens of populist or nationalist movements, has tortured many thousands, and seriously and illegally intervened in one way or another in virtually every country on the planet, in the process of which the U.S. has caused the end of life for several million people, and condemned many millions more to a life of agony and despair."
William Blum, in a speech at the University of Vermont, 2007


Following its bombing of Iraq in 1991, the United States wound up with military bases in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, Oman and the United Arab Emirates.
Following its bombing of Yugoslavia in 1999, the United States wound up with military bases in Kosovo, Albania, Bulgaria, Macedonia, Hungary, Bosnia and Croatia.
Following its bombing of Afghanistan in 2001-2, the United States wound up with military bases in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Georgia, Yemen and Djibouti.
Following its bombing and invasion of Iraq in 2003, the United States wound up with Iraq.
This is not very subtle foreign policy. Certainly not covert. The men who run the American Empire are not easily embarrassed.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/American_Empire_KH2004.html

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false."
CIA Director William Casey (1981-1987)

http://howtheworldreallyworks.info/





Evolve Dammit

(16,725 posts)
35. It is what Ike warned us about: "the Congressional military industrial complex." We lost our way.
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 08:47 PM
Feb 2020

That assumes of course, that we ever had one beyond "manifest destiny". Thanks for your insights. Here's hoping.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,411 posts)
34. I remember that he wanted to close it too
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 08:44 PM
Feb 2020

but Congress- even some NIMBY Dems- blocked him from closing the facility and transferring the remaining prisoners. He still managed to re-locate/transfer a lot of them sort of under-the-table from what I remember, though. I actually now sort of wonder what the status is regarding Gitmo. It's been lost under everything going on with Trump.

JustAnotherGen

(31,816 posts)
27. He also didn't run from his blackness
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 05:44 PM
Feb 2020

And how he experienced America.

You know what - I'm with him? I'm an American - but I'm also a black woman who has black nephews -

https://thinkprogress.org/eric-holders-historic-and-little-noticed-civil-rights-legacy-6a4ea1f6a0c8/

No way Barr or the Keebler Elf or Rosenstein would have gone to Ferguson.

You ain't dealing with no boy - he's a grown assed man. Don't like some of his lack of action - can't disagree.

But let's not dismiss what he did there. And I very much look forward to an A.G. Kamala Harris.

Evolve Dammit

(16,725 posts)
29. All I'm saying is that he had a golden opportunity to prosecute war criminals and banksters.
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 05:47 PM
Feb 2020

And it did not happen.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,411 posts)
36. Perhaps
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 08:48 PM
Feb 2020

but you can't "just prosecute" people unless you have a specific crime to charge them with, which is exactly a legal power we do NOT want a President to have (especially since we have somebody like Trump at the helm). I can't speak as to whether or not DOJ opened some investigations or not but, obviously, there were a lot of serious and pressing concerns facing President Obama when he took office and it probably was hard to focus on everything all at once.

Evolve Dammit

(16,725 posts)
38. How about the war crimes; torture, white phosphorous sanctioned by the Bush White House, Pentagon
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 08:56 PM
Feb 2020

and Congress. You know, the files of which were shown to a few in the Senate and then never saw the light of day. Yeah, it's hard to prosecute when your government is so corrupt that official repots are buried. I guess we just pass. There is no forgiveness for lying to the world about a country that did not attack us and covering for the one that did. Obama let it all slide.

JustAnotherGen

(31,816 posts)
40. Banksters?
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:46 AM
Feb 2020

My nephew works at Goldman Sachs and is 3 years away from his dream of a VC firm catering to black innovators.

My Governor - the Amazing Phil Murphy who took down the Mississippi State flag at Liberty Island Park - is an alumni of Goldman Sachs.

Not all banksters are evil. They can use profit to make statements.

BigmanPigman

(51,585 posts)
8. I think those who did resign were also trying to send a message
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 06:44 PM
Feb 2020

about how dangerous and serious the situation is right now. I hope the rest stay since we need them but we also needed this warning about the current status of the DOJ.

soldierant

(6,847 posts)
14. Thay were, of course,
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 07:31 PM
Feb 2020

and it's tough to be in a situation where your conscience tells you you cannot be a part of something, but it also tells you you must stay and fight it. As desperately as we need strong, principled people to stay in there, not everyone is cut out for that. Any principled person in the DOJ has my respect whichever they feel they must do.

TNNurse

(6,926 posts)
9. We need the competent, ethical people to stay.
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 07:03 PM
Feb 2020

I understand them wanting to leave, but the people who might take their place are scary.

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
16. People want everything...
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 07:47 PM
Feb 2020

I'm not conservative but I get sick of the whining. You have an administration now that is doing its damnest to reverse all these gains and they have been. At a whim the now President get a new AG that kiss' his ass. Holder has been out on the front lines of voting rights, and getting people elected who have been hindered by unfair gerrymandering. And he is still out there banging away at Barr. It would be nice if all the bankers went away, we could go back to sea shells. All the gains of the kumbaya sessions in the park have slid or a sliding away under Trump. sigh..............

JustAnotherGen

(31,816 posts)
28. Single biggest gun black Americans have
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 05:45 PM
Feb 2020


I thank him for doing what he could to make sure I can vote - and my family members in southern states could vote.

VOTING RIGHTS Mr. Holder successfully fought discriminatory voting restrictions around the country before the 2012 elections. When the Supreme Court gutted the core of the Voting Rights Act in 2013, he was quick to find new ways to challenge discriminatory laws. Shortly after the ruling, the Justice Department joined lawsuits challenging new restrictions like strict voter-ID requirements and cutbacks to voting hours in North Carolina and Texas. In both states, Republican-controlled legislatures imposed rules that most heavily burden poorer and minority voters, who tend to vote Democratic.



“The history of this nation has always been to try to expand the franchise,” Mr. Holder told The New Yorker in February. “We’ve always found ways in which we’ve made the voting process more inclusive. What these folks are intending to do, or certainly the impact of what they’re going to do, is to turn their backs on that history.”

reACTIONary

(5,770 posts)
13. They should not resign under normal circumstances...
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 07:28 PM
Feb 2020

... But when they are ordered to do something unethical or corrupt, that is their only remaining alternative.

 

not_the_one

(2,227 posts)
21. And THAT is when they blow the whistle.
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 08:35 PM
Feb 2020

Whistle blowers should not worry about their identity being exposed. They should be proud. Out front, leading the way. They are the heroes.

Our current democratic leaders need to make sure that they (the whistleblowers) and everyone like them, know that we have their backs.

They need to know that if they are punished for doing the right thing, once the turd and all his little turdlettes are flushed (and the rest are in jail), the democratic administration will reinstate them, give them back the positions they have been fired from, REINSTATE THEIR PENSION/BENEFITS, everything. They need to know that we are going to undo everything that POS has done. He is MAD (LITERALLY) about how much Obama is loved. (ALL for that goddamn, motherfucking JOKE at the White House Correspondents' Dinner.)

Yes, they will suffer all sorts of indignities, threats from the fascist's followers. We will honor them for doing so.

Sometimes, no matter the consequences, you have to do the right thing. I can only hope that I would be so brave.

Vivienne235729

(3,384 posts)
23. I am glad he tweeted that. No doubt the women and men in the DOJ need reassurance.
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 11:56 PM
Feb 2020

These are trying times and I can't imagine working and stomaching this level of crazy toxicity.

Just_Vote_Dem

(2,804 posts)
41. Yep
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 08:43 AM
Feb 2020

If all the people with conscience leave, then only toadies/the wretched remain. Gotta fight the good fight.

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