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Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:59 PM

Two-thirds of workers at risk of robot-driven redundancy are unaware of the threat to jobs (UK)

People who do jobs that are most likely to be automated through technology are unaware and unprepared of the impending threat to their livelihoods, with Nesta calling on the government to do more to up-skill those at risk

More than two-thirds (68%) of UK workers doing jobs that are at the highest risk of automation believe this will not happen in the next decade, according to a survey by the Office for National Statistics.

The YouGov survey, commissioned by global innovation foundation Nesta, questioned those with jobs considered most vulnerable to automation, such as table waiting staff, cleaners, retail sales staff, street cleaners, bus and coach drivers, bar staff and scaffolders.

A total of six million people work in jobs that are expected to change radically or disappear by 2030, according to Nesta.
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https://www.computerweekly.com/news/252478161/Two-thirds-of-workers-at-risk-of-robot-driven-redundancy-are-unaware-of-the-threat-to-jobs?amp=1


Ten years. And this is just getting started.

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Reply Two-thirds of workers at risk of robot-driven redundancy are unaware of the threat to jobs (UK) (Original post)
redqueen Monday OP
JustABozoOnThisBus Monday #1
redqueen Monday #2
Sherman A1 Monday #5
Blue_true Monday #13
Initech Monday #3
JustABozoOnThisBus Monday #4
Disaffected Monday #9
redqueen Monday #7
Initech Monday #10
Blue_true Monday #14
Disaffected Monday #6
redqueen Monday #8
irisblue Monday #11
Blue_true Monday #15
irisblue Monday #12

Response to redqueen (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:14 PM

1. Welcome to the industrial revolution.

Detroit car factories used to have legions of painters, welders, etc. Robots have replaced them all.

Later, the same car factories had legions of computer programmers. Between "high-level" computer languages and outsourcing the programming job around the world, the departments are much smaller.

Self-driving cars, buses, trucks, (trains?), will replace many more jobs in the not-so-distant future.

Military pilots may be displaced by drone console operators. If so, can commercial pilot automation be far behind?

I don't see near-term automation of plumbers, electricians, nurses. If I were starting out, I might consider one of those.

I think plenty of people are aware of the dangers that technology poses to their jobs. I'd agree that most are unprepared for the consequences, and may not see a way to get prepared. Here, government can help (not repubs).

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Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:25 PM

2. Yep! Some jobs are safe (for the foreseeable future) and people would be smart

to find work in those fields.

As for republicans not helping, I hope not!

If we don't implement it and they do, I worry that most of that 78% of us who are living paycheck to paycheck will become low hanging fruit to convert to GOP voters.

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Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:37 PM

5. The surprise will come to those in fields that everyone thought safe

such as medical, education, government, legal and all. The first of course will be the repetitive jobs such as transportation, warehousing and retail, but the others are not far behind as AI advances.

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 09:42 PM

13. I agree.

Machinery built with sophisticated AI will replace most floor nurses, with maybe 2-3 people on the floor. Same for Doctors. AI is about taking accumulated knowledge and applying it, then being able to quickly add to the knowledge base with new methods are developed. AI is a cost-cutting corporation's dream, but it's application will bring about a new set of ethical issues that we can't envision today.

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Response to redqueen (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:30 PM

3. I am not getting in a car driven by a robot. No way in hell.

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Response to Initech (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:34 PM

4. How about a car driven by a 16-year-old?

All in all, the robot would be a lot safer, though slower, more boring, and less panic-stricken or argumentative or just distracted.

I hope the self-driving cars get "mature" before I'm too old to drive.

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Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:48 PM

9. Yup,

self-driving vehicles have the potential of being much safer than those driven by failable humans. It will take a while longer but it is pretty much inevitable.

Even if they are only a bit safer at the outset, their many other advantages are v compelling.

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Response to Initech (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:41 PM

7. Aw really? I've been dreaming of this for decades.

Safer roadways, no road rage, less pollution... I can't wait!

Not to say that the transition will be painless but the result will be a dream come true - at least for me

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Response to redqueen (Reply #7)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:55 PM

10. Have you seen the Tesla autopilot?

It's a great work in progress but there's been way too many accidents because people don't know how to use it properly. It's a good idea, sure, but it's a long way to go before we can ditch the human component of driving.

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Response to Initech (Reply #10)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 09:48 PM

14. I agree. The perception and application of logic part of auto driving leaves

something to be desired. It works ok with predictable situations, but throw in an accident where vehicles are in unexpected positions on the road and the auto-drive plows into something that an alert human would have seen and taken preventative action against.

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Response to redqueen (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:40 PM

6. My neighbour physician

told me the other day that radiologists will be (are) a dying profession as AI will do most imaging analysis and, do it better.

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Response to Disaffected (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:44 PM

8. Yep

Glad he's aware now. I feel really bad for anyone listening to people who say it's nothing to worry about

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Response to Disaffected (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:57 PM

11. Interventional Radiologists are safe,for awhile no AI, is going to run a heart catheterization wires

And no AI is going to use paddles to jumpstart a heart. And while mammos for example are going to be compute read, does an AI tell the very frightened woman& family "that looks cancerous?" Those are not part of Radiologic Technologist scope of practice in this decade.



A prev post of mine---
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=12964947
Computerd Diagnosis has been used for Mammogram reads, least 8 years

A BBC.com article from January 2020

source--https://www.bbc.com/news/health-50857759

tittle--Artificial intelligence is more accurate than doctors in diagnosing breast cancer from mammograms, a study in the journal Nature suggests.



snip--"An international team, including researchers from Google Health and Imperial College London , designed and trained a computer model on X-ray images from nearly 29,000 women.

The algorithm outperformed six radiologists in reading mammograms."


snip--" The current system in the NHS uses two radiologists to analyse each woman's X-rays. In rare cases where they disagree, a third doctor assesses the images."


snip--" In the research study, an AI model was given anonymised images, so that the women could not be identified.

Unlike the human experts, who had access to the patient's history, AI had only the mammograms to go on."



more at article.


For the records, with high quality computer images, X-ray films from an urgent care in Iowa, can be read by Radiologists in Columbus Ohio

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Response to Disaffected (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 09:51 PM

15. Add to that medical sample analysis. I think that we will still need people to

draw blood because of the variations in people's vein structure.

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Response to redqueen (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 07:21 PM

12. An example from Twitter ads

Uconnect (@Uconnect) Tweeted:
Order food AND pay for it from the touchscreen in your Dodge vehicle. #Uconnect Market makes it possible, and thatís not all it can do -->> https://t.co/VV50dwbEaW

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