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Sun Feb 9, 2020, 10:44 AM

Yes, Kevin, Trump is a threat to our Republic and Democracy.

A facebook acquaintance of mine reacted to a post urging unity from Democrats in the primaries and election in order to defeat the most dangerous threat to our democracy in the history of country. The former co-worker, a conservative republican responded and asked for examples of how Trump is a threat to the republic. This was my response.

Kevin, Facebook would not allow me to post my response to your question in the comments sections because it exceeded 8000 words. So I had to make a new post.

For those who did not read Kevin's insightful question, here is a perfect transcript: You (Steve) histrionically claim Trump (sorry if his name triggers you) is a threat to our Democracy and Republic. Please give examples of how? Also a follow up question, you are so smart and handsome, how do you do it? (Okay, I made up that last question).

Great question Kevin, here is my verbose response, with receipts, as the kids say.

All right. First of all my post was written to encourage unity between Democrats, Independents, and rational Republicans who have been disaffected by Trump's blatant cruelty, and shredding of historical political norms. I doubt you fit into one of those categories, but I may be wrong and if you Identify with one of these groups, welcome to the fight.

As to what Trump (the name does trigger most sane people who have witnessed his actions over the last three years but not in the flippant way you use it here as a means to delegitimize accurate criticism of Donnie and imply weakness on those who are legitimately concerned and afraid) here is a long list:

Personally financially profiting from the presidency: Trumps companies have raked in millions of taxpayer dollars with no accountability or oversight. The treasury department and Secret Service are refused to abide by legally required reporting to hide how much Trump is costing and profiting from US taxpayers.

https://www.citizensforethics.org/2000-trump-conflicts-of-interest-counting/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/secret-service-has-paid-rates-as-high-as-650-a-night-for-rooms-at-trumps-properties/2020/02/06/7f27a7c6-3ec5-11ea-8872-5df698785a4e_story.html

Nepotism: The entire Trump family (with the exception of poor Tiffany) have been granted wide ranging politically powers including, but not limited to: attending government meetings at home and abroad, seeking and receiving foreign government favors for their personal, for profit, business entities and directing US policy on a range of topics and issues, for which they are wholly unqualified or cleared (see Jared, Ivanka, Don Jr., Eric). US taxpayers are footing the bill for the entire extended family's travel and protection. The presidents political sycophants supporter's families are also the recipients of nepotism benefits (see Giulian, Barr, et al). Republicans would scream and hold endless congressional investigations if a Democrat did this, and rightfully so.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/meet-the-trump-officials-making-government-a-family-business

Secret and unaccountable to anyone: Trump has expanded the power of the office of president to previously unheard of levels. He uses executive privilege and executive orders to override laws and the oversight of co-equal branches of government for personal, political, and financial benefit. You may say, "Great, the president was elected by the people to break up the log jam of Washington politics." But how will you feel when another political party is returned to power and does the same thing? Trump has radically expanded the idea of an all powerful, unaccountable executive branch and has abused the powers of the office increasingly since day one. Trump has set dangerous precedents which can be used by successive presidents, and probably will to some extent.

Vendettas and payback: Trump has had the highest turnover of cabinet members and secretaries of any president in history. He fires people like he is still on The Apprentice. There has also been a winnowing down of career government experts in the fields of national security and diplomacy. Many have quit in frustration or protest but some have been fired by Trump because he believed conspiracy theories about them or they simply disagreed with him on one of his many spontaneous and ill advised spur of the moment policy changes.

Directly interfering with the Justice Department, FBI, and military court system: Trump has routinely and robustly violated precedent and, possibly the law, by meddling in investigations, overturning judicial decisions, and using the pardon power to grant clemency as political rewards. There is supposed to be a separation between the president and the justice department. Trump has used his attorney general as his personal attorney. He has used the bully pulpit of the presidency to publicly demand (and sometimes received) firings and demotions of people within the government and military who either truthfully testified about his corruption or investigated complaints of illegal acts.

Lies: All politicians shade the truth to benefit them but no politician in US history has made as many blatant, provably false statements as Trump. He lies routinely and robustly. He never admits to being wrong. He makes false statements in every press conference, in every rally, every time he opens his mouth. Remember how mad you guys got when President Obama said, "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor." Imagine that times x 16,000 (and counting).

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/12/16/president-trump-has-made-false-or-misleading-claims-over-days/

You asked, "Would the country be better to elect an avowed Democratic Socialist who, in his 40s, still praised Communist Cuba and the Soviet Union?" My answer is, unequivocally yes. The country would be better off electing a man who made positive statements (you did not provide a source and I have not confirmed this allegation you make against Bernie Sanders) about aspects of Cuba and Russia nearly four decades ago as opposed to one who kowtows and defers to russian president/dictator/former spy Vladimir Putin RIGHT NOW.

Trump also robustly praises authoritarians, dictators, and homicidal leaders of countries like North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, the Philippines, and China. He publicly muses and appears to want the powers of Putin to silence the press (Putin has a long history of jailing and killing his political opponents and members of the press who report on his illegal activities, as does the person Trump shares "love" letters with, Kim Jong Un).
While praising and siding with dictators, Trump has gleefully alienated and excoriated US allies who have stood by our side for decades. Here is a list of some of our allies Trump has attacked:

Australia, Canada, Denmark, France, Germany, Japan, Mexico, Sweden, The United Kingdom.

https://thehill.com/policy/international/458455-here-are-the-us-allies-that-have-been-in-trumps-crosshairs

Spending: Remember the Tea Party? Patriotic Americans who were so upset at the thought of continuing and increasing federal deficit spending and national debt, that they mounted their trusty steeds (buses) across the country and with their tricorn hats adorned with tea bags, loudly protested President Obama for not reigning in government spending and shouted down their representatives in town halls. Remember Republican members of Congress shutting down the government because of unbalanced budgets?

Obama inherited a recession and two wars. Budget deficits actually decreased in the eight years Obama was president but have now skyrocketed under President Trump. Trillion dollar deficits are the norm now, exacerbated by the huge tax cuts for millionaires, billionaires, and corporations pushed through congress by Trump...and nary a peep from the Tea Party patriots in parking lots or Congress. Where are the teabaggers when you really need them?

Trump promised to eliminate the national debt in 8 years, instead he has increased it dramatically and unapologetically. Rapidly increasing debt is unsustainable and represent a direct fiscal threat to our Republic and Democracy and is another example of the blaring hypocrisy of Republicans and fiscal conservatives when it comes to this president.

https://theweek.com/articles/889337/paradox-trumps-trilliondollar-deficit

There are many more things Trump has done and a multitude of ways in which he has subverted and bastardized the massive powers of the president for his own personal gain, but I have run out of time and I doubt most people will read this missive.
You are a smart guy, Kevin. You are politically astute and knowledgeable. You have to see what Trump has done to shred political tradition and norms. You have to be concerned by a president of any party who uses the power of that office for personal financial gain and bludgeons perceived enemies with vulgar tweets and retaliation by our formerly non-partisan divisions of the judicial branch. We should all be concerned about a leader who not only encourages and accepts foreign interference in our democratic elections but also demands and now extorts it.

Finally, Trump and his acolytes use the word "triggered" as an insult to undercut valid criticism and justifiable alarm about the abhorrent behavior exhibited daily by, arguably, the most powerful man in the world. Triggered defined is: causing an intense and usually negative emotional reaction. Do Trump's narcissism, pathological lies and daily assaults on our Constitution, norms, allies, and traditions cause me and the majority of patriotic Americans to have intense negative reactions? Yes.

The question and criticism shouldn't be why are we triggered, but, why aren't you?

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Reply Yes, Kevin, Trump is a threat to our Republic and Democracy. (Original post)
Mortos Feb 9 OP
2naSalit Feb 9 #1
sdfernando Feb 9 #16
2naSalit Feb 9 #19
Zoonart Feb 9 #2
blm Feb 9 #3
teach1st Feb 9 #4
FailureToCommunicate Feb 9 #5
bucolic_frolic Feb 9 #6
wendyb-NC Feb 9 #7
Scarsdale Feb 9 #8
lastlib Feb 9 #9
NoMoreRepugs Feb 9 #10
Mortos Feb 9 #18
keithbvadu2 Feb 9 #11
lakercub Feb 9 #13
jayschool2013 Feb 9 #17
Mortos Feb 9 #20
barbtries Feb 9 #12
pandr32 Feb 9 #14
CaptainTruth Feb 9 #15
Scotch-Irish Feb 9 #21
JudyM Feb 10 #22

Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sun Feb 9, 2020, 10:51 AM

1. K&R

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #1)

Sun Feb 9, 2020, 01:19 PM

16. Excellent reply to your acquaintance!

Please allow other DUs to use all or portions on this post in our own efforts to enlighten others.

Sorry...meant to respond to the OP and in my excited haste fat-thumbed my reply to you.

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Response to sdfernando (Reply #16)

Sun Feb 9, 2020, 02:22 PM

19. ...

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sun Feb 9, 2020, 10:55 AM

2. K&R

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sun Feb 9, 2020, 11:10 AM

3. 👍🏽

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sun Feb 9, 2020, 11:28 AM

4. Great answer!

Thanks so much for posting.

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sun Feb 9, 2020, 11:47 AM

5. Great answer, (and with receipts !)

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sun Feb 9, 2020, 11:47 AM

6. Excellent post and superior strategy

GOP/MAGAzis/ReThugs have NO defense! They cannot prove innocence of Trump because there is no evidence, and they would look at no evidence, because Trump had none to provide! If we go silently into the night, we accept that. SO MAKE MORE NOISE! NINE MONTHS OF ENDLESS PROOF OF GUILT!

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sun Feb 9, 2020, 12:06 PM

7. Wow. Well written response to how is he a threat to our democracy.

Has he been comatose for the last 3+ years? It is so shocking, and scary, to me that there are people in this country, who see the
"thrum" as a president just doing his job. There has been nothing righteous, wise, or even neutral about the orange masks words and/or actions since he was walked into the White House. Your answers are concise and undeniably, spot on. Thank you, Mortos.

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sun Feb 9, 2020, 12:15 PM

8. Great article. I wonder if he read it?

tRump fans are not exactly used to getting the truth carefully told to them. They seem immune to all his failings. He started violating the emoluments clause from day one, with increased fees for rooms at his hotel in DC. Not to mention an accounting of WHERE all the donations went for the inauguration. We are being royally screwed by someone who THINKS he is a king. The country is being run by an incompetent doofus and his unqualified family members who are not even worth a security clearance. We are in one HELL of a mess, thanks to the unlawful gop.

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sun Feb 9, 2020, 12:29 PM

9. Great response! (Sad that it'll be wasted!)

If tRumpers could be reasoned with, they wouldn't be tRumpers. I think they're kinda like rocks--the only way to change them is to break them into pieces.

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sun Feb 9, 2020, 12:31 PM

10. Comprehensive response - kudos. My guess is

“Kevin” isn’t going to be influenced one iota by facts, logic, common sense or decency. A MAGAT is a maggot - simple as that to me.

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Response to NoMoreRepugs (Reply #10)

Sun Feb 9, 2020, 01:46 PM

18. He wasn't

He responded with a bunch of whataboutisms related to the Obama presidency filled with right wing propaganda an conspiracy theories.

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sun Feb 9, 2020, 12:32 PM

11. Did he reply?

Did he reply?

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #11)

Sun Feb 9, 2020, 01:07 PM

13. In the old days

you would have had this argument at work, in a restaurant, or on the phone and it probably would have felt like tilting at windmills. It could take years to change someone's mind.

While that still may be true for the person to whom you are replying via social media, there is a big difference now. You probably still won't change the minds of the rabid, but, depending on how many friends or how public your posts are, tens, hundreds, or thousands of people could see the reply. We are no longer just arguing with a single interlocutor, but we are exchanging ideas with untold numbers of lurkers. You may not change your direct opponent's mind, but you can still influence a whole lot of listeners.

So don't just write for the respondent, write for everyone.

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Response to lakercub (Reply #13)

Sun Feb 9, 2020, 01:42 PM

17. Great statement

Unfortunately, linking to what we consider traditional and/or reliable news sources like The Washington Post or The Daily Beast will be just be further proof to the vast majority of Trump followers (and, thus, the vast majority of Republicans) of your reliance on "Fake News."

If it's not in Breitbart, or on OAN or Fox, they don't believe it, no matter how exhaustive your research or how eloquent your argument. They are virtually unreachable because of the vast right-wing media sphere of influence and the dogma they adhere to.

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #11)

Sun Feb 9, 2020, 03:33 PM

20. Yes

But completely ignored everything I pointed out and, instead, went on a whatabout rant involving President Obama and multiple disproved conspiracy theories.

It was like trying to give a dead man medicine

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sun Feb 9, 2020, 01:00 PM

12. Well done!

if he read past the first sentence (I really hope he did and if he responds, please share), here's some things for future consciousness-raising:

stealing children from their loved ones and locking them up https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-s-immigration-policy-caging-indigenous-children-america-native-people-ncna1035451

criminalizing amnesty-seeking immigrants and sending them back to their deaths https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/rights-group-138-salvadorans-deported-by-the-us-were-killed-back-home/2020/02/04/bdf134ee-46d2-11ea-91ab-ce439aa5c7c1_story.html

climate change denial: https://www.cjr.org/the_media_today/trump_administration_climate_change.php

public land: https://www.outsideonline.com/2277446/public-lands-war-timeline

the environment: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/climate/trump-environment-rollbacks.html

needless to say, we could both go on. and on.

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sun Feb 9, 2020, 01:11 PM

14. Saving because it is so spot on

Thank you for this and well done!

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sun Feb 9, 2020, 01:11 PM

15. DAMN that's good. Well done!

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sun Feb 9, 2020, 04:30 PM

21. That was awesome.

 

Good on ya!!

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 10:21 AM

22. Well-done!

And yet there is more. We are living through the stuff of Shakespeare.

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