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Sat Feb 8, 2020, 08:24 AM

Trump's real message can be found in the firing of Vindland's brother.

"Don't cross me or you and your family and maybe your friends will pay a price." Classic mob/KGB tactics.

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Reply Trump's real message can be found in the firing of Vindland's brother. (Original post)
Raven Feb 2020 OP
Mike 03 Feb 2020 #1
empedocles Feb 2020 #2
atreides1 Feb 2020 #4
PunkinPi Feb 2020 #14
The Blue Flower Feb 2020 #3
leftyladyfrommo Feb 2020 #5
vlyons Feb 2020 #6
Blues Heron Feb 2020 #7
greymattermom Feb 2020 #8
Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2020 #15
leftyladyfrommo Feb 2020 #12
Luciferous Feb 2020 #9
Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2020 #16
Lonestarblue Feb 2020 #10
blm Feb 2020 #11
dalton99a Feb 2020 #13
rzemanfl Feb 2020 #20
catbyte Feb 2020 #17
safeinOhio Feb 2020 #18
oldsoftie Feb 2020 #19
MadLinguist Feb 2020 #21

Response to Raven (Original post)

Sat Feb 8, 2020, 08:25 AM

1. It makes me wonder if he'll go after Mitt Romney's niece.

I wouldn't put it past him.

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Response to Mike 03 (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 8, 2020, 08:34 AM

2. No 'wonder' necessary. trump is a 'Tataglia'. A gangster pimp who will do anything.

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Response to Mike 03 (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 8, 2020, 08:36 AM

4. No, he won't

Remember she stopped using the Romney name by request...and she even took a swipe at her uncle for his vote against Trump!

She's another drinker of the Trump kool-aid...and she's safe, for the moment!!!

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Response to Mike 03 (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 8, 2020, 10:06 AM

14. She made her choice and it was trump



Ronna McDaniel, in statement, says she stands with Trump and disagrees with her uncle. "The Republican Party is more united than ever behind him. I, along with the GOP, stand with President Trump."

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Sat Feb 8, 2020, 08:34 AM

3. Kim Jung Il territory

I fear this is just the beginning for all of us.

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Sat Feb 8, 2020, 08:39 AM

5. Trump will have trouble going after Romney.

He has the whole Mormon Church behind him. And they have a lot of power especially in the West.

About 5 million regularly attend services.

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Response to leftyladyfrommo (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 8, 2020, 08:45 AM

6. Romney is a favorite son of Utah

At most, Trump could get the IRS to audit Romney's tax returns. But Romney is a smart and wealthy man, who no doubt uses a CPA and a bevy of tax attorneys to certify all his financial papers.

If anything, Trump would hurt Romney by hurting the state of Utah. Withholding FEMA. Drilling in its parks. Dumping shit in Salt Lake. Closing military bases, etc.

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Response to vlyons (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 8, 2020, 08:54 AM

7. Already happening with the Bears Ears monument

now open for oil and gas drilling.

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Response to vlyons (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 8, 2020, 09:12 AM

8. Revenge on Utah,

especially against their glorious National Parks and Monuments, could turn the Mormons against the Republicans. Overnight, they could become Independents, like Evan McMullin.

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Response to greymattermom (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 8, 2020, 10:12 AM

15. I was dreaming about Romney switching

to independent like Amash did and caucus with us. Independent from Trump.

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Response to leftyladyfrommo (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 8, 2020, 09:48 AM

12. My experience is that the regular service goers

vote in lockstep with their Bishops.

I wouldn't under estimate the power of the Church.

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Sat Feb 8, 2020, 09:15 AM

9. Yeah firing Vindland was bad enough, but going after his brother was especially low.

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Response to Luciferous (Reply #9)

Sat Feb 8, 2020, 10:14 AM

16. Wish Joe had thrown that in

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Sat Feb 8, 2020, 09:43 AM

10. I remember Trump also wanting to target the women and children of ISIS.

Even knowing that many of those women had been kidnapped and forced to marry ISIS fighters, he thought they should be killed too. Some of those women were Yazidi Kurds kidnapped by ISIS. Kurds were our allies at the time, though I doubt they are now after Trump allowed Turkey to murder a few hundred and takes their homes.

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Sat Feb 8, 2020, 09:48 AM

11. King MobBoss the First

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Sat Feb 8, 2020, 09:52 AM

13. From 2015:




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Response to dalton99a (Reply #13)

Sat Feb 8, 2020, 11:18 AM

20. Wow! Talk about prescient. Thank you. n/t

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Sat Feb 8, 2020, 10:15 AM

17. What a colossal POS.

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Sat Feb 8, 2020, 10:38 AM

18. Start digging....

“Before You Embark On A Journey Of Revenge, Dig Two Graves” — Confucius

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Sat Feb 8, 2020, 10:56 AM

19. But the Trumpians think his brother was part of the investigation

and therefore deserving of "punishment"
I'm surprised they didnt force them both to retire

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Sat Feb 8, 2020, 11:28 AM

21. It also shows how deep the paranoia runs in this administration

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Criminals demand loyalty because they know they can expect no justice, benefit of doubt, or decency from within their own ranks, and the constant exposure to risk, due to acts of criminality and acts of coverup performed up and down the ranks, is corrosive to that loyalty. So those with the most knowledge of wrong-doing, the inner rings of the gang, are the most paranoid, and need the loyalty of the less knowledgeable both to carry out the dirty deeds with a minimal fig leaf of plausible deniability, and as a way to bolster up the confidence of the dirtiest of the gang, keeping them fueled with the belief that they can keep getting away with the dirt. So, people cooperating with the head of the gang function as an organized narcissism. Anyone with motives unrelated to sustaining that narcissism is a mortal threat to its existence.

Terrible as it is seeing this play out in front of us in plain sight like this, it gives me a feeling of hope that this disease is in its end stages because this level of paranoia and viciousness can't be contained long term. There is zero reward for people on the outer edges of the organization, and as the fear of retribution from the gang approaches the level of fear of retribution by the law, the greater the likelihood of leaks, whistle-blowing by those with no incentive to kiss the ring, and buggy behavior by those choosing loyalty to the crime boss.

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