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Thu Feb 6, 2020, 02:23 PM

Probably lost a neighbor today....heh

on my wife's FB page, a neighbor posted she'd been holding off but responded that Dems are so mean and hypocritical and Nancy was a nasty person.

My wife had a great response:

if hypocrisy drives you crazy, then logically, you should hate Trump! Otherwise it's just driving you crazy when it suits you!


and then I had to chime in... (my wife isn't into politics in the near-obsessed way I am but she's become more vocal of late...love it)


It's not like trump has >16,000 documented lies in 1,095 days in office, has been banned from having a charity after defrauding multiple charities (including kids with cancer!) to fund his campaign and himself, mocked the disabled, sexually assaulted women, raped an underage girl, walked in on underage girls at his pageants, cheated on his 1st wife, on his 2nd wife with his 3rd wife, on his 3rd wife with a porn star, laundered money for russia for years, violated the emoluments clause from day 1 in office (Jimmy Carter was obviously a fool for selling off his peanut farm), covered up the murder/dismemberment of a US resident and WaPo reporter, engaged in racial discrimination in his real estate holdings, violated the US Constitution by bribing/extorting a foreign nation (multiple times with multiple nations) to investigate a political opponent, hired white supremacists as top aides (Miller, Bannon), sought to provide nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia and other mideast nations in secret (see Seth Abramson's Proof of Collusion and the involvement of Erik Prince of Blackwater and the infamous meeting in the Seychelles), awarded an AM radio hate merchant who's mocked people with Parkinson's, sang racist songs, spewed misogynistic hate and conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory with the Medal of Freedom on the floor of the House.

I mean...Nancy ripped a copy of a lie-filled speech in half. She's so mean.

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Reply Probably lost a neighbor today....heh (Original post)
Roland99 Feb 6 OP
guillaumeb Feb 6 #1
DENVERPOPS Feb 6 #51
WyattKansas Feb 6 #54
DENVERPOPS Feb 6 #64
guillaumeb Feb 6 #56
material_highlighter Feb 7 #78
Pacifist Patriot Feb 7 #79
mcar Feb 6 #2
Different Drummer Feb 6 #10
Cornus Feb 6 #13
Phoenix61 Feb 6 #3
Mike 03 Feb 6 #4
imavoter Feb 6 #5
Roland99 Feb 6 #7
aggiesal Feb 6 #55
Roland99 Feb 6 #59
aggiesal Feb 6 #66
Farmer-Rick Feb 7 #81
aggiesal Feb 7 #85
hangaleft Feb 6 #69
aggiesal Feb 6 #72
riversedge Feb 8 #90
Farmer-Rick Feb 7 #82
ZZenith Feb 6 #8
Roland99 Feb 6 #9
ZZenith Feb 6 #11
AtheistCrusader Feb 6 #29
ZZenith Feb 6 #38
AtheistCrusader Feb 6 #65
femmedem Feb 6 #76
imavoter Feb 6 #77
Rider3 Feb 6 #6
stillcool Feb 6 #12
BSdetect Feb 6 #14
PatSeg Feb 6 #15
leftieNanner Feb 6 #16
FDRman Feb 6 #39
leftieNanner Feb 6 #42
tclambert Feb 6 #73
Mersky Feb 6 #17
AllaN01Bear Feb 6 #18
Laelth Feb 6 #20
lagomorph777 Feb 6 #19
DENVERPOPS Feb 6 #52
Roland99 Feb 6 #21
Grokenstein Feb 6 #31
Roland99 Feb 6 #37
llmart Feb 6 #32
Mersky Feb 6 #35
UniteFightBack Feb 6 #74
The Wizard Feb 6 #22
mikeysnot Feb 6 #23
SWBTATTReg Feb 6 #28
keithbvadu2 Feb 6 #49
aggiesal Feb 6 #58
blueseas Feb 6 #57
Sunsky Feb 6 #24
crickets Feb 6 #25
GoCubsGo Feb 6 #26
KY_EnviroGuy Feb 6 #27
Initech Feb 6 #30
emmaverybo Feb 6 #33
PennyK Feb 6 #34
Roland99 Feb 6 #36
malaise Feb 6 #40
amuse bouche Feb 6 #41
progree Feb 6 #43
Normanart Feb 6 #44
BadGimp Feb 6 #45
mountain grammy Feb 6 #46
Roland99 Feb 6 #53
VladmireTrumpkins Feb 6 #47
SunSeeker Feb 7 #89
diva77 Feb 6 #48
progree Feb 6 #50
Kali Feb 6 #60
Joinfortmill Feb 6 #61
wnylib Feb 6 #62
Mickju Feb 6 #63
Brother Mythos Feb 6 #67
nicehuman16 Feb 6 #68
Roland99 Feb 6 #70
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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 02:25 PM

1. I would love to see a picture of your neighbor reading the post.

Great job.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 04:58 PM

51. classically

they read the first sentence or listen to the first sentence, their mind slams shut and they say fake news or "bullshit"

I don't even bother anymore, it's a waste of my time and breath........

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Response to DENVERPOPS (Reply #51)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 05:09 PM

54. Until the Republican Gestapo ensnares them too.

But then it's, 'Oh, but my situation is so special and out of the ordinary.'

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Response to WyattKansas (Reply #54)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 06:11 PM

64. Their favorite:

"Oh that's different".........never fails..............

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Response to DENVERPOPS (Reply #51)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 05:13 PM

56. It is similar to speaking to someone who literally does not understand

your language.

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Response to DENVERPOPS (Reply #51)

Fri Feb 7, 2020, 05:19 AM

78. same,

use to have patience and was willing to engage in dialogue with folks who support Mr Trump, but not anymore. it's all motivated reasoning and confirmation bias with them. their arguments are faulty and really don't refute the core issue of Mr. Trump.

as an anecdotal example, last week was talking with a person, who is in college (pre-med) about Mr. Trump's impeachment. one of the defenses offered for Mr. Trump's behavior was: but I think Democrats have been wanting to remove him since taking office. whether or not this statement is true is irrelevant to the actions of Mr. Trump. Did he not do what has been proven?

it's akin to saying, well the cop was just waiting for me to speed so they could write me a ticket.

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Response to DENVERPOPS (Reply #51)

Fri Feb 7, 2020, 07:52 AM

79. I agree. In my experience, they read the first few words, maybe a whole sentence...

really just skimming and not reading. As soon as they realize it's anti-Trump material they stop. At that point it's a crap shoot whether they block you or start hammering away at a response that has nothing to do with the information they claim to have read before replying.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 02:26 PM

2. Bookmarking this!

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Response to mcar (Reply #2)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 02:37 PM

10. Ditto.

DD

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Response to mcar (Reply #2)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 02:44 PM

13. Me too.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 02:27 PM

3. And we're the snowflakes. Sheesh. nt

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 02:28 PM

4. BAM!

Direct hits by both of you!

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 02:30 PM

5. it's not likely you change her mind.

Statistics show that you can't change minds with facts.
I don't know how the fuck not, but you can't.

I used to be an R, and a friend I had breakfast with at a local eclectic neighborhood joint..
the kind of place where you sat next to people you didn't know to find an open seat...
he and I would just chit chat about stuff...
I finally realized that I didn't agree with anything Rs stood for, for the most part.
If he had come at me like that, I would have never seen the light.

My friend has long since past away, but I miss our conversations.
Ater Kerry lost to Bush, I realized I should have done more and started to get
involved with the party.

Peace.

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Response to imavoter (Reply #5)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 02:34 PM

7. Not when dealing with cult members.

And the GOP is now officially that. GOP no longer exists. Itís the TTP. Traitor Trump Party

But facts did work on me.

Reading two articles from Seymour Hersh in late 2003 and one by Lt Col Karen Kwiatkowski opened my eyes to the Iraq War lies and started my turning away from republican to proud Democrat.

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 05:10 PM

55. The GOP is now a Criminal Organization ...

Last edited Sat Feb 8, 2020, 11:20 AM - Edit history (1)

We now have the GOP Mafia.
With Pendejo45 as the DON and Pence, McKangaroo Court, Bannon
and the rest of the WH staff as his lieutenants and Guiliani as the Hit Man.

GOP=Greedy One Percent.

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Response to aggiesal (Reply #55)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 05:24 PM

59. GOP doesn't exist anymore.

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #59)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 06:14 PM

66. That's a nice opinion piece ...

but GOP is not dead.
The Greedy One Percent have almost all the money.
And yes it is being run by one head.
That is why it is the GOP Mafia.

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Response to aggiesal (Reply #66)

Fri Feb 7, 2020, 09:44 AM

81. GOP....the Greedy One Percent.....

I love that. My new go to. Thanks

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Response to Farmer-Rick (Reply #81)

Fri Feb 7, 2020, 10:31 AM

85. Your Welcome ...

Say it early, say it often.
That's exactly what they are; Greedy One Percent!

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Response to aggiesal (Reply #55)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 07:57 PM

69. You left out Barr

The consigliere.

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Response to hangaleft (Reply #69)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 08:35 PM

72. Nice!!! ...

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Response to aggiesal (Reply #55)

Sat Feb 8, 2020, 09:14 AM

90. spot on.

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #7)

Fri Feb 7, 2020, 09:54 AM

82. You don't decide what to believe. You are convinced by evidence

Or propaganda or culture or tradition.

Something convinces you. When you get more evidence, or you stop getting the propaganda, the brain washing stops or the indoctrination is over; when you move away from your culture or traditions, that's when you change.

I did not decide to believe in gravity. I was convinced by evidence. I stopped believing in God when the indoctrination stopped and I was able to rationally look at the evidence.

Now I wait for more evidence and admit when I don't know......well, sometimes, well, I try.

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Response to imavoter (Reply #5)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 02:35 PM

8. Can I see those statistics, please?

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Response to ZZenith (Reply #8)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 02:39 PM

11. "Statistics show that you can't change minds with facts."

That statement needs a few qualifiers to be accurate, methinks.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #29)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 04:09 PM

38. From your link:

ďEventually, she did more research and realized that the purported link between vaccines and autism wasn't real. She changed her mind, and vaccinated her daughter.Ē

So, uh, facts changed her mind.

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Response to ZZenith (Reply #38)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 06:13 PM

65. 'statistics show' means it's not absolute.

http://theconversation.com/why-facts-alone-dont-change-minds-in-our-big-public-debates-25094
and
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/bayes-theorem/

There are techniques to unlock it, but facts alone don't get the job done, when the initial belief of the person you are discussing it with is strong.

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Response to imavoter (Reply #5)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 10:19 PM

76. Thank you for sharing what persuaded you to leave the Republican party.

Whenever I see posts on DU or on social media mocking Republican voters, I try to imagine how I'd react if I read similar statements about Democrats.

Not only does it make Republicans dig in their heels, but I think it also turns off unaffiliated voters. Even within the Democratic community, some of us will say we're less likely to support certain candidates if we don't like their supporters.

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Response to femmedem (Reply #76)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:17 PM

77. you're going to get more flies with honey.

My friend never told me I was wrong.
Just told me what they were doing.
We'd just have a conversation.
I never felt like I was being told I was dumb or stupid.

When I read this a while ago, I really appreciated it, because
she was able to articulate what I already knew.

Just talk to people.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/jane-fonda-the-only-way-to-take-our-country-back-is-one-person-at-a-time/2019/08/30/50cf9dd2-ca96-11e9-be05-f76ac4ec618c_story.html

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 02:33 PM

6. Excellent piece

Ha! Well done! I've lost a few friends because of these kinds of things, but I've gained a lot of peace knowing that those people are not welcome in my life.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 02:41 PM

12. that's a thing of beauty...

would make me feel bad, if it wasn't so damn good.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 02:44 PM

14. k&r

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 02:50 PM

15. Excellent summary of Donald Trump

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 02:51 PM

16. Two great responses

But you forgot:

Was fined $25 million for his fraudulent "university"

and,

Was fined $10 million for money laundering - through his bankrupted casino, as I recall.

And who the hell bankrupts a CASINO???

Well done Roland99!!

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Response to leftieNanner (Reply #16)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 04:11 PM

39. One more big one......

Kids in cages.

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Response to FDRman (Reply #39)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 04:16 PM

42. That's a big one for us

But for his followers? Meh. They see that as a bonus - a feature, not a bug.

But you are correct - that is one of the things that disturbs me the most of all the terrible things he has done.

I volunteer at an equine rescue sanctuary and the barn manager and his wife have two little girls. They are Mexican (legal) and when I see the two of them around the property, I think about the children torn from their parents and put in cages. Makes me sick!

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Response to FDRman (Reply #39)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 09:55 PM

73. Yeah, kids in cages seems pretty mean.

Let's measure kids in cages vs. tearing up paper . . . Damn, broke my scale.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 02:53 PM

17. Recommended

Am journaling for when I need to read this again. Well done, to the two of you.

&

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 02:59 PM

18. bookmarked this for future reference

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Response to AllaN01Bear (Reply #18)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 03:03 PM

20. +1 n/t

-Laelth

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 03:02 PM

19. ...threw thousands of children into terrible jails, cheated with TWO porn stars...

His human rights violations should be enough to earn at least a life sentence in one of his baby-jails.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #19)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 05:02 PM

52. they always argue

about the point that he didn't pay off the porn stars, not that he constantly cheats on his wives with professional whores.....
then again, you have to think about Melanoma's past occupations.............

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 03:05 PM

21. A response back...Ugh. The pure willful ignorance and lack of wanting to understand

All I know, is like him or not, it was quite impressive that a non politician could basically run his own campaign and become POTUS. I think that speaks volumes to how badly Americans want a reform in Washington and are looking for a new approach to MAGA. If there were a great Democratic candidate who I believed would move our country in the right direction I would vote for them. I was very hopeful during Obamaís first term that he could be the change our country needed. Obviously not


No, it was NOT impressive how his campaign cheated and used foreign nation (enemy nation at that!) assistance

And completely ignores the outright obstruction from Mitch and company from the first day Obama set foot in office.

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #21)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 03:44 PM

31. Yeesh. The bucket goes right over the head.

When you hand them irrefutable facts, that's when they start babbling about "impressiveness" and assorted intangibles, insisting that this is "what Americans want."
This slobberknob even throws in a variant of the old "I used to be a Democrat but they failed me" hogwash.

Occam's Razor says they were always just cowardly bigots ready to fall in line behind any Mussoliniesque fascist the TV hands 'em.

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Response to Grokenstein (Reply #31)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 03:59 PM

37. Yeah. Love the equivocation when called out

Oh. Both sides do it. Blah blah blah.

But the ripping of the letter? Thatís the hill they wanna die on?

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #21)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 03:46 PM

32. That's a pantload about how this person would vote for a Democrat if...

We've got some of the best candidates and Hillary was a good candidate.

This person is a liar.

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #21)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 03:54 PM

35. Didn't like the tune, so skipped to a different

Part of the Ďrecordí - is really frustrating.

Obviously, this person watches fox noise.

Might reply back with your newest comments bolded at end of the same list as before? See where they skip to next? Dunno, tho, Iíd understand if youíre just done with them.



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Response to Roland99 (Reply #21)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 09:57 PM

74. Sorry toots that Obama was busy saving the GLOBAL ECONOMY...not just the USA. nt

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 03:06 PM

22. I've pretty much

shit canned all Truministas. I'm too old to suffer fools, especially bigoted fools.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 03:08 PM

23. I posted this right after the election...

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Response to mikeysnot (Reply #23)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 03:29 PM

28. Good one! Thanks for posting!

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Response to mikeysnot (Reply #23)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 04:41 PM

49. Would believe Trump over Jesus for credibility...

Would believe Trump over Jesus for credibility...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/11/21/trump_voter_if_jesus_christ_came_down_from_the_cross_and_told_me_trump_was_with_russia_i_wouldnt_believe_him.html

About 2:55 on the timeline.

"Let me tell you," he continued. "If Jesus Christ gets down off the cross and told me Trump is with Russia, I would tell him, hold on a second, I need to check with the president if it is true. That is how confident I feel in the president."

?t=170

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #49)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 05:20 PM

58. Not only is the President a Pendejo, but his followers as well ...

What an IDIOT!

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Response to mikeysnot (Reply #23)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 05:17 PM

57. Wow!!

This should be everywhere!!

Photos for those who find it hard to read.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 03:11 PM

24. K&R

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 03:16 PM

25. Kudos to you! Well done. K&R

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 03:17 PM

26. Another appropriate response:

YOU LIE!!!!

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 03:27 PM

27. She's gonna love it when the chickens come home to roost......

with tRump's grand tax bill........

As a bonus, I hope she's enjoying paying tRump's tariffs at Walmart.......

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 03:37 PM

30. They can dish it out but they sure as hell can't take it!

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 03:50 PM

33. Oh my. What an impressive list painting a detailed picture of overwhelming and unbridled hypocrisy,

greed, corruption, and character disorder i.e.meanness.

The last line is a beauty. This should go viral!

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 03:52 PM

34. I wrote to my senator today

Marco Rubio ick. I said there are two reasons to say you're for Trump -- fear or benefit.

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Response to PennyK (Reply #34)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 03:57 PM

36. Nice!

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 04:14 PM

40. Great post

Rec

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 04:15 PM

41. Nicely said

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 04:21 PM

43. Increased the deficit (after Obama did so much to bring it down)

{#} ACTUAL Federal Spending and Deficits - Fiscal Years 2008 - 2019, in $Billions

Fiscal year 2019 ended September 30, 2019. Similarly for all the other fiscal years.

Note: all figures in this section are actual, not budgeted. I only point out that Bush signed the FY 2009 budget, and that Obama signed the FY 2017 budget.




And yes, the above numbers include payroll tax receipts (including Social Security) and Social Security benefits expenditures, since the above are unified budget numbers.

Source:
. . . https://www.cbo.gov/publication/55824 which links to the complete document at
. . . https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/2019-11/55824-CBO-MBR-FY19.pdf . . . See also
. . . https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/whitehouse.gov/files/omb/budget/fy2018/hist01z1.xls
. . . https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/whitehouse.gov/files/omb/budget/fy2019/hist01z1.xls <-does not work 2/3/20
. . . (Table 1.1) for receipts, outlays, and surplus
. . . . . . https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/hist01z1-fy2020.xlsx
(Historic tables are listed at http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historicals ).

Source for the 2008 numbers (and 2009 thru 2012 except a couple of the later years were revised by the document above):
. . . http://www.cbo.gov/publication/43698 which links to the complete document at
. . . https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/112th-congress-2011-2012/reports/43698-Nov-MBR.pdf


Aside: how it was spent (good read): https://www.cbpp.org/research/policy-basics-where-do-our-federal-tax-dollars-go


Regarding Obama's 8 years: FY 2017 federal spending is 463 B$ (13.2%) more than FY 2009 (the last Bush budgeted year).

Since the nominal (current dollar) GDP increased by 35.5% between FY 2009 (a recession low point) and FY 2017 (see next paragraph), while federal spending increased 13.2%, that means federal spending as a percentage of GDP dropped substantially during those 8 years -- from 24.46% of GDP to 20.42% of GDP (calculations below). Something to keep in mind when some rightie rants and raves about the socialist Obama spending us into the poor house.

Note: I am including FY 2017 as part of Obama's legacy because he signed the FY 2017 budget spending bills. FY 2017 runs from Oct. 1, 2016 thru Sept. 30, 2017 -- 3 2/3 months while Obama was president, and 8 1/3 months while Trump was president). Just like I assigned FY 2009 to Bush

In Current Dollars: GDP FY 2009 (2009 Q3) = $14,384.1 billion . GDP FY 2017 (2017 Q3) = $19,495.5 billion -- an increase of 35.5% over FY 2009.

Source of GDP figures: http://www.bea.gov/national/xls/gdplev.xls
where FY 2009 = Q4 2008 through Q3 2009. And FY 2017 = Q4 2016 through Q3 2017.

FY 2009: Spending / GDP = 3518/14384 = 24.46% . FY 2017: Spending / GDP = 3981/19496 = 20.42%

The Fiscal Year 2009 budget (Oct. 1, 2008 - Sept 30, 2009) was signed into law by G.W. Bush. The CBO on January 7, 2009 (13 days before Bush left office) projected a $1.2 trillion deficit for FY 2009. So all but about $200 billion of FY 2009 spending and deficits was "baked in" before Bush left office.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 04:26 PM

44. Great reply

And thatís just the short list.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 04:27 PM

45. You guys are soo mean...

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 04:36 PM

46. Your wife's response is perfect

Iím memorizing it.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #46)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 05:06 PM

53. Ha. Thanks.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 04:37 PM

47. here is why facts don't mean a thing to Trumpers

No one voted for Trump because he was intelligent, honest or even moral or successful. They voted for him because they hate the same people he does..(its a long list)

No matter what he does or says as long as he preaches his hate and fear..they will stick with him and since they did not make up their minds on logic, facts or even a sense of decency..appeals to logic, facts and decency will never change them.

Remember this saying when talking with Trumpers.


"Convince me against my will, and I will believe it still!"

I wish I could say how they can be reached..but I havent a clue ..i just know facts and reason mean nothing to them..

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Response to VladmireTrumpkins (Reply #47)

Fri Feb 7, 2020, 01:19 PM

89. Yup, he is the bigots' champion. nt

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 04:37 PM

48. Does your neighbor have a pre-existing condition? Hope to receive social security?

There's a court case in Texas right now -- Dump hoping to destroy the ACA. (could not find more current article than 2018)
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/texas-lawsuit-threatens-affordable-care-act-n906376

He has vowed to cut SS https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/7/21/1873406/-Trump-to-Cut-Medicare-and-Social-Security-If-Re-Elected

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Response to diva77 (Reply #48)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 04:54 PM

50. Backed the 2017 House and Senate Bills that, per CBO, would cause 23 M or 22 M to lose health insura

insurance. In what can only be called acts of attempted American genocide.

CBO estimates of how many people would lose health insurance under the Republican healthcare plans (AHCA and BCRA),
House bill (AHCA): 23 million in 2026, Senate bill (BCRA): 22 million in 2026

AHCA = American Health Care Act of 2017, BCRA = Better Care Reconciliation Act of 2017

Details: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=12278216

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 05:26 PM

60. nice thorough yet compact list!

bookmarking!

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 05:35 PM

61. Sometimes the truth hurts.

She needed to hear it. Good for you!

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 05:57 PM

62. I wouldn't worry about losing a neighbor like that.

Anyone who can overlook the Trump crimes and endorse him as a change agent without questioning what those changes are, is a lost cause. Sounds like an unthinking cultist or a person devoid of moral values and principles, or both.

But, there is something we must work on. We cannot get through to Trumpists by criticizing him or them. We need to appeal to them through what we can offer as an alternative. We are not as good at the negative approach as Republicans. We win when we offer inspiring visions. Think JFK, FDR, WJC, BHO. For those presidents, economics were a big issue. The overall economy is good now, but good wages are still an issue. Health care, climate change protections in vulnerable areas, educational improvements, infrastructure rebuilding are things we can offer. Most Americans support choice on abortion. People want Medicare and SS protected. The traitor party wants to cut them back and end them.

Forget spelling out Trump's crimes and negative personal qualities. They already know and choose to ignore or disbelieve. Appeal to their core selfishness with what we can do for them that Trump isn't doing. Let them know what he will take away from them, how he will harm them.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 05:59 PM

63. Great response!

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 06:29 PM

67. That's a great reply about Individual-1!

I've already copied and pasted your reply to my files for future reference. Thank you.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 07:51 PM

68. Can I use some of this?

I am currently having a FB Trump issue myself.

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Response to nicehuman16 (Reply #68)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 08:01 PM

70. Have at it!

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 08:33 PM

71. Beautiful!

Your post may not change your neighbor's mind, but it certainly made my day.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 10:04 PM

75. Taking a stand

I know it's hard to accept the blind ignorance of some Republicans, but they are just repeating what they hear on fox. In my job i have to listen to the garbage and keep.my mouth shutdown. Believe me it's worth it, and i never thought i would say that, i live on the beach! Breakwater baby. So what your neighbor said is a lie, Nancy is ALWAYS professional. Barbara Boxer was onced asked by Whoopie in an interview how she thought she was viewed by others as a woman. She said, if a man stands up for himself, is proactive, and gets things done, everyone applauds and say he is a leader. If it's a woman she's a bitch. I know Nancy knows Barbara and has no problem with who she is. She is a lady, she is a hero, and she can take those kindergarten bullies!

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Fri Feb 7, 2020, 08:41 AM

80. LOL...you forgot Trump University!

K&R.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Fri Feb 7, 2020, 10:01 AM

83. Make it a numbered list.

Ask which of those things would be ok for the neighbor to do. Or for you to do. Or for anyone to do.

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Response to greymattermom (Reply #83)

Fri Feb 7, 2020, 10:09 AM

84. Excellent idea. Thanks

And I need to add in things mentioned here that I didnít have originally

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Fri Feb 7, 2020, 11:01 AM

86. Ask your neighbor this:

Knowing what you know about both people, who would you rather have baby-sitting alone with your 15 year old (daughter/granddaughter/niece, whatever)?

Donald Trump or Nancy Pelosi?

I rest my case.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Fri Feb 7, 2020, 11:42 AM

87. Again!

This was so good that I returned from yesterday to read it again today!

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Fri Feb 7, 2020, 12:44 PM

88. This whole post of yours is a KEEPER, Roland99!

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